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Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out

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Alan Korwin
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Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”


Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

Forward or send to every gun owner you know…
Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk

A partial list of gun rights groups:

Gun Owners of America
http://gunowners.org/

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
http://www.jpfo.org/

FREEDOM=GUNS
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm

National Rifle Association
http://www.nra.org/

Second Amendment Committee
http://www.libertygunrights.com/

Second Amendment Foundation
http://www.saf.org/

Second Amendment Sisters
http://www.2asisters.org/

Women Against Gun Control
http://www.wagc.com

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FunSugarDaddy

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Why anyone needs more than a rifle or a shotgun for hunting or to defend himself is beyond me.

handguns and assault rifles are only designed to kill people, not animals, and have no place in our society as far as I'm concerned. Personally I feel the same about grenades and rocket launchers too.
 

DQ Guy

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The monster under your bed
Guns don't kill
People do.
And as far As I know americans as a whole are set out to
destroy themselfs some time now or later.

Why on earth would you need more then a 12 gauge or a 22/306?

Why the hell does joe blow need an uzi?
 

HankQuinlan

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They will have to pry my AK-47s from my cold dead hands; I need them i tell you.

Oh, wait a minute, that's not us, that's the US.

Aren't we among the UN troops that are going to march in and take control once the free Americans have all been disarmed? Whoo hoo! Free stuff for us!
 

Milo

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I always wonder when people say "you don't need more than a shotgun and one rifle for hunting.

The second amendment and Natural rights aren't for hunting, they're for defending youself against tyranny.

So if someone agree's that one person only needs a shotgun and 10 rounds a year for hunting, they should agree that the Police only need a .38 special and 10 rounds for policing.

Never mind Fully Automatic Sub-machine guns with 30 round Magazines, plus 5 extra magazines, plus a pistol at 17 round mags, plus 4 extra mags, not to mention police snipers, Helicopters, Thermal heat viewers, phone taps and everything else.

But hey We're just in if for hunting...

Oh BTW Governments don't give you your rights they exist naturally, It's the governments job to see that they're protected... Think about that. Enjoy your Police State.
 

Krustee

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Guns don't kill people.

Americans kill people.
Tell that to the 20 people murdered in Vancouver alone thus far this year.

People kill people idiot.

Colour, race, religion, creed, territory, gender & social standing are all indifferent when it comes to killing.

No country can claim innocence or piety where this is concerned.

Last time I checked, greed & selfishness was universal.


Owning a gun does not make you a criminal!

As long as I am a law abiding citizen I should be allowed the freedom to own what & how many I wish.

Those who wish to remove freedom will use fear as a tool for that purpose - it works well.

Enjoy your life of fear - let your Lord & master gubment tell you how you will live ...
If they decide to let you live - it's really their choice.



Oh & one other thing ....

don't forget to pay your taxes -
they can't afford to control you if you don't give them your money!


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bigben

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You need an <i>UZI</i> to defend your home and family?!?! What are you defending them against, dinosaurs?
 

Milo

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Criminals with even worse guns, or maybe Jackbooted thugs from the government because you forgot your taxes. Remember Nazi Germany? all those horrible atrocities? well they were legal because the government said so.

Watch the film The Pianist, it'll go to show you have evil things can get, and don't say "it's won't happen to me"

Dinosaurs, they've been dead for Millions of years, besides A HUNTING Rifle would be better. But then all Rifles can be Hunting rifles depends on the game or target.

Lovely how Words can be turned around.
 

Shybutniceguy

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Maybe if these jackass gun nuts learned how to properly store their guns then they wouldn't have to be banned. What do you expect them to do when the majority of guns used in murders are stolen? I have no problem with collectors or others who store them locked up etc but these fucking redneck morons who have a pile in their closet, loaded etc, fuck'em. If a gun belonging to you is stolen because you don't have it stored properly and someone is killed then you should be charged as accessory. And wtf does the average person need a sniper rifle for? Other then those 2 jackasses in the US who went on a tour sniping people? And does anyone have any actual Canadian news as opposed to every Lightbearer thread being about the US?
and Rafterman if you get an RPG hook me up with one, gonna go hunt me some Lightbearer. ;)
 

LightBearer

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Maybe if these jackass gun nuts learned how to properly store their guns then they wouldn't have to be banned. What do you expect them to do when the majority of guns used in murders are stolen? I have no problem with collectors or others who store them locked up etc but these fucking redneck morons who have a pile in their closet, loaded etc, fuck'em. If a gun belonging to you is stolen because you don't have it stored properly and someone is killed then you should be charged as accessory. And wtf does the average person need a sniper rifle for? Other then those 2 jackasses in the US who went on a tour sniping people? And does anyone have any actual Canadian news as opposed to every Lightbearer thread being about the US?
and Rafterman if you get an RPG hook me up with one, gonna go hunt me some Lightbearer. ;)
Go fuck yourself Shybutgayguy. What happened to all the people who were un-armed after hurricane Katrina. Rape gangs, home robberies. How about the LA riots. The korean shop owners with guns were the ones left alone. Then theres the nut that climbed the Texas clock tower. citizens went home got there useless guns and shot back allowing police to go up and get him. If guns kill people then pencils make spelling mistakes. Gun bans=tyranny and higher crime. Not to mention Obama said "gun owners have nothing to fear from me". Such a liar.
 

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Go fuck yourself Shybutgayguy. What happened to all the people who were un-armed after hurricane Katrina. Rape gangs, home robberies. How about the LA riots. The korean shop owners with guns were the ones left alone. Then theres the nut that climbed the Texas clock tower. citizens went home got there useless guns and shot back allowing police to go up and get him. If guns kill people then pencils make spelling mistakes. Gun bans=tyranny and higher crime. Not to mention Obama said "gun owners have nothing to fear from me". Such a liar.
Ok what about those people?? they had the "right to bear arms" if they so chose, so wtf does this list of guns have to do with that. You saying they need uzis and shit like that? Pull your head out of your ass.
Why don't you move your pathetic ass down to the US if you're so concerned about their news moron. lol 90% of your threads are on the US you stupid tool.
"Shybutgayguy" that is so funny haha, how long it take you to come up with that?lol
 

Shybutniceguy

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I think too many people trust our governments far too much.
I don't think its that people trust them so much, its just that the majority of people who run for office are schemers. And you get what? A choice of 2 or 3 people. basically try and choose the lesser of two evils. Anyone who believes what a politician says during election time should have their head examined.
 

Milo

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The Sniper Rampage in Washington/Baltimore etc wasn't by a "Sniper Rifle" it was by a semi-automatic Sporting/hunting Rifle the AR-15. Which can and often is mistaken for an "Assault Rifle"

It's all in how you dress it up, I can show you two pictures of the same rifle, One with it's walnut brown stock and iron sights, the next with a black synthetic stock, Scope, Bi-pod and magazine sticking out the bottom. Tell me which one is the sniper rifle? Neither.

Canadians are renowned for their firearm safety and safe storage, usually when guns are stolen it involves a burglary while the person is away and a cutting torch.

And Uzi's along with Full-Auto's and most every other sub-machine gun are already banned in Canada.
 

LightBearer

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Ok what about those people?? they had the "right to bear arms" if they so chose, so wtf does this list of guns have to do with that. You saying they need uzis and shit like that? Pull your head out of your ass.
Why don't you move your pathetic ass down to the US if you're so concerned about their news moron. lol 90% of your threads are on the US you stupid tool.
"Shybutgayguy" that is so funny haha, how long it take you to come up with that?lol
Go tell the guy standing on his roof top defending his house against an LA mob that his automatic guns aren't necessary. Go tell all those people who had threre homes raided during those loving gun confiscations in New Orleans. Automatics are for sport and defense, law abiding citizens shouldnt have to have there rights impeeded. MOST gun crimes are criminals on criminals. And when these people go shoot up a high school or a mall. 9/10 they are on a serotonin reuptake inhibitors ie:prozak. Should ban that shit.
 

Shybutniceguy

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Go tell the guy standing on his roof top defending his house against an LA mob that his automatic guns aren't necessary. Go tell all those people who had threre homes raided during those loving gun confiscations in New Orleans. Automatics are for sport and defense, law abiding citizens shouldnt have to have there rights impeeded. MOST gun crimes are criminals on criminals. And when these people go shoot up a high school or a mall. 9/10 they are on a serotonin reuptake inhibitors ie:prozak. Should ban that shit.
I'm curious if you're Canadian, why you don't bitch about our govt not allowing us to own whatever kind of guns we want. Complain about the gun registry.
Why are you so worried about shit that has absolutely nothing to do with you.
I've got no problem with people having whatever the hell they want if they actually know how to use it properly and store it securely. The majority don't.
Do you have to take mandatory gun classes down there before you can purchase a gun in most states? Are you required to purchase something to lock it up with? Its one thing to have a gun, its another thing to know how to use it properly and respect the damage it can do.
 

Krustee

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Which is why I believe that we should have the right to arm ourselves capably.
I agree IRH - most people do not grasp the meaning of the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution & that is because it is not read in context.
2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Let me put myself in the position of an American here;
It is not necessarily that we should have the right to own a gun but to "bear arms".

What does "bear arms" mean?



Does it mean to own a weapon or does it mean the right to raise said "arms" in action?

Here's what bear means:
bear/bɛər/ [bair]
–verb (used with object)
1. to hold up; support: to bear the weight of the roof.
2. to hold or remain firm under (a load): The roof will not bear the strain of his weight.
3. to bring forth (young); give birth to: to bear a child.
4. to produce by natural growth: a tree that bears fruit.
5. to hold up under; be capable of: His claim doesn't bear close examination.
6. to press or push against: The crowd was borne back by the police.
7. to hold or carry (oneself, one's body, one's head, etc.): to bear oneself erectly.
8. to conduct (oneself): to bear oneself bravely.
9. to suffer; endure; undergo: to bear the blame.
10. to sustain without yielding or suffering injury; tolerate (usually used in negative constructions, unless qualified): I can't bear your nagging. I can hardly bear to see her suffering so.
11. to be fit for or worthy of: It doesn't bear repeating.
12. to carry; bring: to bear gifts.
13. to carry in the mind or heart: to bear love; to bear malice.
14. to transmit or spread (gossip, tales, etc.).
15. to render; afford; give: to bear witness; to bear testimony.
16. to lead; guide; take: They bore him home.
17. to have and be entitled to: to bear title.
Please note 17, to have & be entitled to, and combine it with 6 & 10.

The founding authors of these amendments were some of the brightest minds of their times & chose the words in this document carefully.

If you read it as it was written it means to bear arms in defense of oneself, it denotes not only ownership of but action with that weapon.
But against who? (we'll get back to this question)

Read below:
Similarly, in a released Senate report on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman, U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Constitution, states:

They argue that the Second Amendment's words "right of the people" mean "a right of the state" — apparently overlooking the impact of those same words when used in the First and Fourth Amendments. The "right of the people" to assemble or to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures is not contested as an individual guarantee. Still they ignore consistency and claim that the right to "bear arms" relates only to military uses. This not only violates a consistent constitutional reading of "right of the people" but also ignores that the second amendment protects a right to "keep" arms. "When our ancestors forged a land "conceived in liberty", they did so with musket and rifle. When they reacted to attempts to dissolve their free institutions, and established their identity as a free nation, they did so as a nation of armed freemen. When they sought to record forever a guarantee of their rights, they devoted one full amendment out of ten to nothing but the protection of their right to keep and bear arms against governmental interference. Under my chairmanship the Subcommittee on the Constitution will concern itself with a proper recognition of, and respect for, this right most valued by free men."[17]

Likewise, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), No. 07-290, that "[t]he Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."[18]
So the theme of the Amendments must be considered when reading & interpreting the 2nd amendment.

Here's the 1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What is the first word in this amendment?
Who is it addressed to?

The 3rd amendment:
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

What is the subject here?
Who is it addressed to?

4th amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

What is the subject here?
Who is it addressed to?

Does anybody else see the theme here?

These amendments are ALL to protect the PEOPLE from their GOVERNMENT!!!

Think about it!

I have no issue with it being capably and reasonably, problem is 3/4 of the assholes don't have a clue how to store or even use the damn things properly.
I agree with you that most people are not responsible enough to own the weapons they own, so I will acquiesce to you that there needs to be some regulation on the ownership of the weapons.
Maybe a responsible ownership, or weapons responsibility class & certification course?

What I will not waiver on is the Constitutional GUARANTEE that an American may own a weapon without hindrance from the Gubment whom he has a right to protect himself against.

It is called tyranny.

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