No Show Issue: New Rule

[Forum mod]

Gents,

We have had a couple of the providers raise an important issue. Some of you are using your PERB handle/account to secure an appointment with an SP. Sometimes, it's in lieu of references or even a deposit. There's an upside in that the provider can get a sense of your personality, and PMs can be used to confirm you are in fact, the person behind the account. The issue arises when you then no show the appointment, without a call, an explanation or a valid excuse.

We have had a rule for many years that PERB will not tolerate being used to extort or threaten the ladies with a bad review. We have also banned those who have attempted to barter good reviews for discounts or free services. It appears we now need to add using your PERB account in this manner. It's completely unacceptable to leverage your presence on PERB to get a session booked and then no showing without an explanation or excuse being offered. It's manipulative and damages the reputation of the board and its members. If you cannot make your scheduled appointment, the right thing to do is to communicate the reasons with the lady in question, and find a method of either rescheduling the session or otherwise addressing the wasted effort expended. She may well have turned down other clients to accommodate your requested time, only to have you flake out and not follow through.

When requested to by the provider and after properly investigating the situation, if it's found that you have unfairly leveraged your status on PERB in this way, you can expect infractions or bans according to the severity of the issue, the explanation of the circumstances and your willingness to the make the situation right. Each situation will be evaluated and in particular, if this is found to be malicious or an attempt to simply waste her time or adversely impact income on a tour, the ban may well be permanent.

This situation thankfully, doesn't happen every day, but PERB will not allow the board to be used to harass, intimidate or manipulate the providers. A very small number of bad apples have created this situation and we will make sure that vast majority of you are not impacted by this.

I am leaving this open for replies, but please understand, this is not up for debate. This change is being initiated by the Board Owner, in response to complaints from the ladies about the precious few of you that are pulling this kind of nonsense. Ideally, we never need to enforce it, but we will certainly do so when required.

 

[westwoody]

Guys who no show are jerks and deserve all the shame they get. Good policy.

 

[SSL Management]

A PERB handle should never be accepted as a reference. It should only be used as a way to get some insight to the board members posting history and respectfulness.

No shows are the number 1 reason why most well known respected Service Providers have had to resort to requiring deposits. Although no shows did happen years ago, it has only been the past few years that small deposits, that do not come close to compensating for their time and effort, have become the norm.

There are many on this board who complain and try to council other members to boycott those that ask for deposits with statements like "I would never see a Service Provider who asked for a deposit." With that attitude, I assure you most SP's would probably not be interested in seeing a person making those statements anyway!

Deposits have become the norm not out of greed, or attempting to steal from you, they have become a necessity. Those that worry about paper trails, should realize you can change the name associated with bank transfers by visiting your bank and making that request. Most banks allow this. Gift cards can be purchased anonymously at most retail outlets. Those concerned about scams, do your homework. Don't send anything to those that are not well known or reviewed.

Clients have only themselves to blame for the shift towards requiring a deposit. No shows have become rampant and SP's have no other way to protect themselves, if you want to call deposits protection. Even with deposits, clients no show.

If anyone has a better solution, please enlighten us. Until then, deposits will become more and more prevalent.

SSL

 

[blakealridge]

Hahahahaha fuck I love this so much

 

[blakealridge]

A PERB handle should never be accepted as a reference. It should only be used as a way to get some insight to the board members posting history and respectfulness.

No shows are the number 1 reason why most well known respected Service Providers have had to resort to requiring deposits. Although no shows did happen years ago, it has only been the past few years that small deposits, that do not come close to compensating for their time and effort, have become the norm.

There are many on this board who complain and try to council other members to boycott those that ask for deposits with statements like "I would never see a Service Provider who asked for a deposit." With that attitude, I assure you most SP's would probably not be interested in seeing a person making those statements anyway!

Deposits have become the norm not out of greed, or attempting to steal from you, they have become a necessity. Those that worry about paper trails, should realize you can change the name associated with bank transfers by visiting your bank and making that request. Most banks allow this. Gift cards can be purchased anonymously at most retail outlets. Those concerned about scams, do your homework. Don't send anything to those that are not well known or reviewed.

Clients have only themselves to blame for the shift towards requiring a deposit. No shows have become rampant and SP's have no other way to protect themselves, if you want to call deposits protection. Even with deposits, clients no show.

If anyone has a better solution, please enlighten us. Until then, deposits will become more and more prevalent.

SSL

I mean, with repercussions like losing access to their beloved PERB, I **might** consider using perb handles as a reference now tbh 🤷🏼‍♀️ I’ll see how it plays out. But I know some of the high volume posters on this site wouldn’t risk losing their account or access by no-showing. It’s honestly not the worst idea.

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

I wouldn't be flaunting my handle either way because of the shit I've said here. I don't exactly tow the line with the trendy social media ideologies that delude themselves into 'enlightenment'. Contrary to their beliefs, I am a clean and respectable person in real life. And I'd think we'd be both selling ourselves sort if a provider's heart wasn't in the session because they read something I wrote in relation to a topic they are fanatical about. On the topic of deposits, only way I'd submit to a deposit is if they are well represented; good reviews, active social media presence, professionally created website, respectable and known agency... if the question ever comes up about how I discovered them, it's not like there is a dozen other known venues from where one would find them.

Also, not sure why anyone would think a meager PERB user would have such on-line clout to worry about in the first place? I doubt someone who does tow the 'enlightenment' line can type a single word here to redirect a train of pooners toward a provider and help send her to an early retirement.

That all said, I'm curious how such a rule can be enforced since all it'll take is the word of the 'enlightened' to go against someone who isn't so enlightened, and make up a story about getting ghosted; even though it's spatially impossible for someone like me to do something like that in the big city.

 

[Forum mod]

Screen shots and PMs are the bare minimum, and we will certainly look into both sides of any story before any action is taken. No provider should accept that someone says " I am so and so on PERB", always verify with a PM here on the board.

 

[ModSquad]

I think if Perb Members are using their Perb Forum name to make any booking they should agree to a confirmation PM from the SP, Agency etc.

There have been cases with some people trying to book an SP under a well known pooner’s ID and they definitely were not.

I see this as a benefit to both SP and Pooner especially if there is finger pointing after the fact.

 

[rlock]

I get the intent, but I think the way it should be handled is: if they use PERB as a sort of reference, and then they no-show without a direct apology (or something), the provider should be able to come onto PERB and call them out as a no-show in a sort of reverse review - and the AWOL client cannot get that removed. Of course, provided it is a real no-show (i.e. they definitely booked, and then flaked without explanation - not some miscommunication thing where one shows up and tries to make contact and fails).
I agree with the Mod - screen shots for confirmation.

 

[MB Mod]

I get the intent, but I think the way it should be handled is: if they use PERB as a sort of reference, and then they no-show without a direct apology (or something), the provider should be able to come onto PERB and call them out as a no-show in a sort of reverse review - and the AWOL client cannot get that removed. Of course, provided it is a real no-show (i.e. they definitely booked, and then flaked without explanation - not some miscommunication thing where one shows up and tries to make contact and fails).
I agree with the Mod - screen shots for confirmation.

As already stated the burden of proof is going to be very high, screenshots of random texts are not going to be acceptable, screenshots of PM’s are going to be required at a minimum. We’ll be getting both sides of the story before any decision is made. This is not a new thing there’s been problems with people starting fake accounts for years, see previous sticky, and people have been banned but few and far between.

 

[westwoody]

It’s easy to photoshop fake texts - see bogus ones on Leo all the time.
Perb pm’s would be pretty damning evidence though since the conversation would be accessible in it’s entirety.

 

[oneoldone]

As already stated the burden of proof is going to be very high, screenshots of random texts are not going to be acceptable, screenshots of PM’s are going to be required at a minimum. We’ll be getting both sides of the story before any decision is made. This is not a new thing there’s been problems with people starting fake accounts for years, see previous sticky, and people have been banned but few and far between.

I have heard via the grapvine (all be it a very small one in my case) from the ladies that the situation for them has deteriorated severly in the last little while with spoof calls no shows and everything else they have to put up with so I think this is a good idea and I hope it helps to balance things out.

 

[Noob888]

I have heard via the grapvine (all be it a very small one in my case) from the ladies that the situation for them has deteriorated severly in the last little while with spoof calls no shows and everything else they have to put up with so I think this is a good idea and I hope it helps to balance things out.

The post you're quoting is from June of last year and MB Mod has clearly stated this isn't something new.