My Challenge to Pooners: Help for Nadia!

[perbertt]

Why do you have to turn it into someting so dirty and use the "pussy" connection??? Ae you that capable of reading minds or is it really just your mind that thinks that way?

C'mon BS Detector, stop the BS

Honestly, how much money would Nadia get here on PERB if she was a plain-looking middle-aged factory worker, raising her daughter on minimum wage, who's just been raped by two guys at gun point?

Estimate, please! LOL

 

[kalel]

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Your a man how can you even have an opinion about this.

wow, i didn't know men weren't allowed to have opinions. it's statements like that that make me wish you didn't have the right to vote.....or any of the other rights you women fought for. obviously i'm joking......sorta

 

[erotic_exotica]

what I am suggesting is that she put the lives of the policemen on risk by being irresponsible and seeing someone in the middle of the night.

Right, and so does 7-11 employees and gas stations employees that are open at wee hours of the morning ect. are all these people being irresponsible and putting a policemans lives at risk working the late night shift with the possiblility of being robbed at gun point and draged to their death by gas and grab? and so on. What are you saying here? that it's more risky for policemen to come to the aid of an Escort then it is to go to victim that suffers with a gunshot wound at 7-11?

And I find it very interesting that you would be offended if someone said risk is part of an escort's life, but you say the same about a policeman..

Absoulty, if you refur back to my post you will find that what I had actually said was that it is harder to be a Escort (then to sit on welfare) and there for, risk obvously plays a role in that. Policemen are not the exception. Both are clearly risky jobs. But they are just that "our jobs". Nither one job discrimanates gender, race, occupation, or how much money you make. Point being, it's a risk that both police and escorts take it there JOB.

You're saying that an escort can be irresponsible and they have to bail her out risking their lives, because they are here to protect us.

No, what I'm saying is that whom ever is in need of police protection should be able to use it. I'm sure the police are fully aware of the risks that come with the job. What I'm trying to convey to you is that I hardly think that the police go into each call feeling bitter about helping a victim based on the victims income as your trying suggested they do.

 

[summerbreeze]

this is crazy

a person has announced they have suffered a tragic incident

this in itself is a good warning to all, of risks involved with certain activities

from this warning perhaps some lessons can be learned, this is good

some believe her, some don't

some want to help her, some don't

any response is valid and a personal right

the character assasination going on is not only ugly and uncalled for, but at the expense of people plainly just trying to communicate

why shoot someone down on speculations and innuendo

peace dudes and dudettes,
try a little understanding before you go assassinating each other's characters

 

[perbertt]

Really, well as a person born in to welfare and a person who at one point very recently, struggle to raise 2 kids on welfare and min wage jobs, let me tell you that having sex for money is NOT as easy as you think it is. Nadia's situation is a prime example of what make this a harder way of life. Every call that I get I'm scard. (Not really a concern with a min wage job the worst you have to worry about is how are you going to feed your kids? Well you go to a foodbank. Problem solved). You never know when your going to get beat down, robbed, raped ect.(I don't worry about that on welfare)Not every women can do this.

So, you are saying you and Nadia would be better off working for minimum wage?
Have you told this to Nadia? She might not know it.... Or could it be that she doesn't want to live on a few hundred dollars a month?

Not to offend anyone, but I hear the excuse of women doing it for their children sake too often.

Just wondering, if you do it for your children you stop when you have enough for them, right? And you don't buy yourself fancy shoes and clothes and don't spend any of it on luxury?

I am just hoping none of those children will be made feel guilty for making their mothers work as escorts and so jeopardizing their lives.

 

[D.W.B]

I may be confused but it would appear to me that society is full of single women raising kids well above the poverty line in professions other than sp'ing.

Im not sure but i would guess that these women also make quite a bit less than ten grand a month but still seem to manage mortgages and car payments not to mention extras for their kids.

The opportunities are out there if you want them and i dont see why it has to be sp or welfare like some of these women let on.

Instead of blaming your kids for your misery you might take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you really do what you do.

We all make our choices.

 

[InTheBum]

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The opportunities are out there if you want them and i dont see why it has to be sp or welfare like some of these women let on.

Instead of blaming your kids for your misery you might take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you really do what you do.

We all make our choices.

Very very well said. Personally, I find a lot of SP's extremely lazy and greedy... They don't want to put an effort into anything, unless immediate gratification is received...ie: money.

I have a friend like this, who uses the excuse that they have no interest in anything at school, therefore, that justifies him selling dope on the side...just to make ends meet...Meanwhile, hundreds spent at the liquor store or a 1 hr session with an SP, is what everyone does/spends.

 

[hunsperger]

I may be confused but it would appear to me that society is full of single women raising kids well above the poverty line in professions other than sp'ing.

Im not sure but i would guess that these women also make quite a bit less than ten grand a month but still seem to manage mortgages and car payments not to mention extras for their kids.

The opportunities are out there if you want them and i dont see why it has to be sp or welfare like some of these women let on.

Instead of blaming your kids for your misery you might take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you really do what you do.

We all make our choices.

another excellent post...

 

[naughtygirl]

I'm sorry to say but as a single mother and ex sp I think we do more harm to our children than good by being in this business. Sure Naidia's or other kids may have more financially, but seriously think of the long term consequences. Do you want your children growing up and one day being smart enough to figure out that Mom always has tons of money but doesn't go to work like their friends mom. Or you die from a bad trick, how is that better for the children? Children aren't stupid, and I would not want to teach my daughters that this is a good way to live cause it's not. Call it harder, easier whatever you will. It is easy, fast money that is the allure. If not for the fast easy money who would still escort? And also sorry ladies the risk taken is a risk chosen in this profession. I've been there taken the risks and am lucky to be out alive and well balanced in the head still. My challenge to SP's would be to talk more about safety and less about money. Money doesn't fix problems it's just a bandaid. You should always have someone around when youu're working ready to phone 911. I always had someone tucked away in my extra bedroom. Nobody ever knew they were there, but I did and it made me feel safer knowing I wasn't in full harms way. Stay safe ladies, and I'm not judging these are just my opinions

 

[perbertt]

What I cant figure out is what did these guys have to gain? If they were working in collusion, as all three have apparently been taken into custody, then all they were doing was stealing back Scotts money so he could get what would turn out to be free overnight sessions and risking assault and rape charges to do it.

I dont get their motivation. Does this belong as it seems in the stupid criminal or WTF file? Am I missing something here?

We haven't been told everything... There is also a minor involved. Who knows what really happened.

 

[D.W.B]

My challenge to SP's would be to talk more about safety and less about money. Money doesn't fix problems it's just a bandaid. You should always have someone around when youu're working ready to phone 911. I always had someone tucked away in my extra bedroom. Nobody ever knew they were there, but I did and it made me feel safer knowing I wasn't in full harms way. Stay safe ladies, and I'm not judging these are just my opinions

I agree completely.

99% of the time im with a lady that i know and have a long history with but recently i toftt and did an incall with a lady i didnt know.

Im 6ft 4 at 300lbs and this girl was 5ft nothing at 100 lbs max.

We met in a rather run down apt in a tough area of town and for my own personal safety i checked the place out when i got there to see what i was dealing with.

We had a great time and i intend to see her again very soon but i had to tell her i thought she was crazy to be there by herself.

She told me she was afraid she would lose business if there was someone else there with her.

I dont think any reputable pooner would object to a buddy system and if they do fuck em they can go elsewhere.

It doesnt have to be some big intimidating biker type sitting at the head of the bed just someone in the same dwelling big enough to pepper spray someone or call 911 if need be.

Just the idea of someone else being there will deter alot of flakes.

Have your wont do's and dont compromise your safety for any amount of money.

Going home safely from any job should be everyones #1 priority as no amount of money is worth your life.

IMHO

 

[Pantherdash]

I find the story is missing something too. The perps were caught way too soon as if they were sloppy or something which may explain their idiotic motivation balanced with the risks of getting caught and the serious charges that would ensue.

Just too many holes and not enough to convince me that it certainly did happen. You have to understand that scams happen all the time, now with the internet more so than ever and you have to take that extra precaution to protect yourself. I would contribute but my spidey senses are up and I'm not 100% convinced. I also could never live with myself knowing that I donated to someone who earned 10K a month and now has nothing to show for it, meanwhile there are women who have been battered and raped and have kids who have no other resources. If you need money Nadia, you have resources. Dig deep. Or chalk it up to lesson learned and maybe it's time to change jobs, especially if you have a daughter. Pretty irresponsible to be exposing her to this kind of crap. This industry is no place for children, no matter how hard you try to hide it from them. And after all that you continue to take more clients. Uhhh....maybe retirement? I know if this happened to me I'd look to get away from this as quickly as possible, including the boards, not to mention telling the story of your ordeal to a group of horny pooners and SPs, making you even more vulnerable in the process. Aren't you disturbed by this and want nothing to do with this industry, especially after it happened not once but twice in two days? Listen, if you don't like people being skeptical about your story, then why did you come here and tell us in the first place, other than the warning to other SPs (that was good)? Why do you keep defending yourself? If you're telling the truth then that should stand on its own and you wouldn't need to keep justifying yourself. And if you feel bad about the collection, then simply call it off.

I can't say whether it happened or not, or whether it happened one way or another but if people are donating money that's justification enough to get a crystal CLEAR story, not one with many holes in it.

For the hardcore skeptics, easy way to find out if this is true is to call the VPD non-emergency line at 604-717-3321 and alert them of these threads and that there is a collection process going on and that you simply want to corroborate the story with the collection. Simple. Every charity organization has a number and a way of verifying its legitamacy. Why would this one be any different, because it's too insensitive to talk about it? If that were true this story wouldn't be as inflated as it is already and it would've been posted in the appropriate section--Neighbourhood Watch, not the lounge. You don't mind us looking into this a little closer would you? You have nothing to worry about if what you tell us is true. We'll be on our way after that.

If this really did happen to you Nadia, I am sorry that you went through such a horrible ordeal and I hope these men are brought to justice. They should bring back hanging for capital crimes such as these. Those in the process of collecting for her, you're all doing a good thing and you will be rewarded, but you have to try to understand that this is the internet and that things are definitely not what they seem, and what you read on it is usually a lot of crap. Some of these posts may seem rude and tasteless but they come from hard skeptics who have perhaps seen a lot of scams and maybe were victims of scams. You can't really blame them.

Panther

 

[naughtygirl]

This industry is no place for children, no matter how hard you try to hide it from them. And after all that you continue to take more clients. Uhhh....maybe retirement? I know if this happened to me I'd look to get away from this as quickly as possible, including the boards, not to mention telling the story of your ordeal to a group of horny pooners and SPs, making you even more vulnerable in the process. Aren't you disturbed by this and want nothing to do with this industry, especially after it happened not once but twice in two days?

I completely agree. I know if I were violently attacked repeatedly I would be so far from anything to do with escorting. Sometimes we are shown signs we need to change our lives in many different ways. Some are harder lessons than others, such as Nadia's. The industry is definately no place for children, it's hard enough on the adult brain let alone the damages to a child. My lesson was becoming pregnant with my twins, a lighter lesson than rape, but in the same showed me where my life needed changing. I quit escorting on a drop of a dime, no longer willing to take any of the health risks that went along with the job. Why? Because it was no longer just MY risk. Nadia there is tons of help out there that does not include donations from the industry, for your lil girl look into some of those as well as I'm sure you are. I've read more in the last couple weeks I've lurked here about murders, rapes, beatings, than I ever did the 1 1/2 years I was an active poster and SP. It scares the shit out of me, if I was an active SP I would be reconsidering my profession right now.

 

[erotic_exotica]

I may be confused but it would appear to me that society is full of single women raising kids well above the poverty line in professions other than sp'ing.

Im not sure but i would guess that these women also make quite a bit less than ten grand a month but still seem to manage mortgages and car payments not to mention extras for their kids.

The opportunities are out there if you want them and i dont see why it has to be sp or welfare like some of these women let on.

Instead of blaming your kids for your misery you might take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you really do what you do.

We all make our choices.

Very very well said. Personally, I find a lot of SP's extremely lazy and greedy... They don't want to put an effort into anything, unless immediate gratification is received...ie: money

Not to offend anyone, but I hear the excuse of women doing it for their children sake too often.

Just wondering, if you do it for your children you stop when you have enough for them, right? And you don't buy yourself fancy shoes and clothes and don't spend any of it on luxury?

I am just hoping none of those children will be made feel guilty for making their mothers work as escorts and so jeopardizing their lives.

I'm sorry to say but as a single mother and ex sp I think we do more harm to our children than good by being in this business. Sure Naidia's or other kids may have more financially, but seriously think of the long term consequences. Do you want your children growing up and one day being smart enough to figure out that Mom always has tons of money but doesn't go to work like their friends mom. Or you die from a bad trick, how is that better for the children? Children aren't stupid, and I would not want to teach my daughters that this is a good way to live cause it's not. Call it harder, easier whatever you will. It is easy, fast money that is the allure. If not for the fast easy money who would still escort? And also sorry ladies the risk taken is a risk chosen in this profession. I've been there taken the risks and am lucky to be out alive and well balanced in the head still. My challenge to SP's would be to talk more about safety and less about money. Money doesn't fix problems it's just a bandaid. You should always have someone around when youu're working ready to phone 911. I always had someone tucked away in my extra bedroom. Nobody ever knew they were there, but I did and it made me feel safer knowing I wasn't in full harms way. Stay safe ladies, and I'm not judging these are just my opinions

I'd like to address everyone from Perbertt to Naughtygirl. Some have made very good points. I'd like start with a short story.

Born into welfare, raised in it and then having children born into it themselves. Starting at the tender age of 15 yrs old. Yes, maybe not one of the best decisions but none the less, your bed and you do your best to make it. You do what you can of course, to get out of it, yes for the sake of your kids. You take what ever schooling was offered/given to you and get the best jobs you can with it. Nothing more then $8/hr though. It's completely unreasonable to think that one could raise 2 kids on $800/mo. So you go get another job. That leads to you not ever seeing your kids. Then the kids start developing behavioural problem because the 5yr old has to put her 1.5 yr sister to bed/bath every night cause mama is at work trying to make rent this month. So mama's tired, kids are tired. And this happens to be the harsh reality for some. Not everyone has the luxury of having parents (not my case though) to help or the father to stick around and take responsibility. So your left to your own devices.

So the moral of this story is...first off Perbett, Yes, I will stop when I have given myself a better education to raise my kids up right. Yes, I will stop when my kid's education fund is at least started. I don't do this for the fun of it, I do it because at this point I feel that I have to. And No, I don't buy fancy shoes for myself (I still can't manage to spend more then $20 on a pair of jeans) or my kids. They never had it before and I don't see the point in getting them use to it now when the plan is to leave the biz when I meet my goals.

To D.W.B Sure, it's quite possible to manage a modest 10k yr career and raise kids on your own, however in my opinion, a women who has been able to accomplish that, probably has a pretty strong and healthy support system. Not the case for all.

For InTheBum you couldn't be more right on some points. I do feel that some are lazy and greedy, I happen to be just lazy At 26 yrs I'm sick of working my ass off for peanuts holding down and min of 2 jobs at a time and my kids making the biggest sacrifice of all....raising themselves. I do not wish to work that hard anymore and take anymore from my kids.

Finally Naughtygirl. I'm very glad you were able to get out. To me, your a success story. But with all do respect, in a earlier thread I read that you had met someone and then choose to get out of the biz and so surely you developed a support system that allowed you to take that road. I maybe wrong and I don't want to make any assumptions here cause you may have made that choice either way. Anyway congrats! Now I can't pretend to know every sp's choices, so personally speaking this was not an easy choice for me. Sure I did toy with the idea when I was younger but never had the balls to do it. As for my kids wondering why I have so much money? I don't. I still have a day job (off today due to snow) I only work weekends and some evening when my mom is able to have them. Though I have more money then before I don't flash it about. There is a purpose for me doing this and 60% of my proceeds go to the bank, while the rest helps to moderately maintain my home. I feel that I'm responsibly using this income for my greater good. I have been lucky this far to have not had a bad experience, but mark my words if that day ever comes (before I'm done reaching my goals) then I can and will get out. To me, the money is easy but the job is not. And I agree with you, I do not want to teach my girls that this is a good way to live, cause it's not. That’s why I'm in the thinking stages of going pro this summer for maybe a year to reach my goals faster. I'd hate for my kids to find out what I do and would like to get done as quick as I can.

 

[naughtygirl]

Finally Naughtygirl. I'm very glad you were able to get out. To me, your a success story. But with all do respect, in a earlier thread I read that you had met someone and then choose to get out of the biz and so surely you developed a support system that allowed you to take that road. I maybe wrong and I don't want to make any assumptions here cause you may have made that choice either way. Anyway congrats! Now I can't pretend to know every sp's choices, so personally speaking this was not an easy choice for me. Sure I did toy with the idea when I was younger but never had the balls to do it. As for my kids wondering why I have so much money? I don't. I still have a day job (off today due to snow) I only work weekends and some evening when my mom is able to have them. Though I have more money then before I don't flash it about. There is a purpose for me doing this and 60% of my proceeds go to the bank, while the rest helps to moderately maintain my home. I feel that I'm responsibly using this income for my greater good. I have been lucky this far to have not had a bad experience, but mark my words if that day ever comes (before I'm done reaching my goals) then I can and will get out. To me, the money is easy but the job is not. And I agree with you, I do not want to teach my girls that this is a good way to live, cause it's not. That’s why I'm in the thinking stages of going pro this summer for maybe a year to reach my goals faster. I'd hate for my kids to find out what I do and would like to get done as quick as I can.

I'm not knocking any choice anyone makes. Just stating how i feel it can be damaging to children. Sounds to me like you are on the right track and wish you a speedy exit from the biz with goals met. Yes I did meet someone and become pregnant, which made my choice to exit easier, but to be honest the support system decreased dramitically because of the person I was with and has taken me years to find the right resources and path, and still to this day am working on it. I might of got out of the biz, but success story, maybe not, I went from one bad situation to one lesser bad situation that I still deal with. But so is life, my goals are still in tact, and dreams still in my head...with those 2 things anything is possible. Without them nothing is. All the best to you.
P.S You can raise 2 kids on a lower income, I do it. Life just gets you places faster with more money.

 

[Babylon]

To Nadia,

Again, I DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY. It was not my IDEA. It was offered, and since it will be 2 months before I can go back to work, it will help. I have said I will do what I can to pay it back whether that be free sessions, helping girls with their business etc. I even tried to work yesterday as I said, to do what I can MYSELF, and that resulted in stitches and possible permanent damage.

You tried to work yesterday? That is beyond irrational, and I feel really scared for you right now.

Follow your Doctors' orders, rest, get friends to deal with things for you right now. What you are dealing with is unimaginably horrible. It would not surprise me if you are suffering from Post-traumatic stress disorder, and combined with the sedatives you are taking, you should be resting, not worring about review boards or working!!!
I can't imagine what man would find a recently raped and beaten, sedated woman attractive - but I think that is the last kind of company you need right now.

If you are uncomfortable taking charity - you shouldn't be though - here are some suggestions. Since you are paying taxes, you have paper record of your income. If you've been making 10K a month it should be no trouble to get personal loans, bank loans, a line of credit and credit cards to foot the bills. I would lend you money if I was able to, but I have only been doing this part-time for a very few months - I don't even think I've taken in 10K yet.

The most important thing is your physical, mental and emotional health right now. Turn off the computer, lie down, hug your child, rest, go to counselling, use all the resources available to you and have someone close to you deal with this BS. Many people have stepped up for you - you should be very touched and consider yourself extremely blessed - so don't let the doubters phase you. Have faith in your own truth.

Best wishes and a speedy recovery.

 

[perbertt]

If Christ accepted the sinful woman, who are we to judge any SP in our midst? Can we do what some of them have done for their families?? Are we really better people? More fortunate maybe!

Just do what is right for you and for your family. We understand. Make sure the kids do well in school...

Take advantage of the opportunities that are open to young adults like yourself, ... There is no caste system for the less fortunate in our midst...


There is much truth in the saying: The hope of mankind lies in the childbirth of a woman. .

So, you are saying, just go ahead, have children and then work as an escort and if your children find your pussy shot or cum-shot on the internet, no big deal....

 

[Fast Eddie]

Bank Account

Is the bank account set up yet? Can I make a contribution via PayPal?

 

[D.W.B]

I think some people in this thread, need to go back and read the retirement/goal thread, since there are some talking about their financial woes. And no offense to anyone reading my comments, but I think some of you need someone (paid or not) to handle some of your financial planning. Making in excess of 10K a month (and I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, it just appears to be the number being thrown out in this thread), there is absolutely NO legitimate reason, why there isn't money being saved even after expenses. I don't know where some of you are doing your shopping etc. but if you can't save a couple of G's from a 10K a month income, you need re-evaluate your spending habits and designate someone trustworthy to manage your finances.

I apologize if this post offends some of you, but sometimes the truth hurts.

I got the 10k a month figure from one of Nadia's threads and just ran with it.

I totally agree though that with the earning potential that your average SP enjoys there isnt any excuse for not saving for a rainy day.

That being said,irresponsible spending is by no means exclusive to sp's.

I think most people that go from just getting by to a large cash flow run the risk of fucking up,i know i did.

 

[Thais]

So, you are saying, just go ahead, have children and then work as an escort and if your children find your pussy shot or cum-shot on the internet, no big deal....

I know that I'd love to live in a world where people have a different attitude to sex and sex work, where sex in a loving relationship, casual sex and sex for money are all okay, and where you can be open with people around you including your children.
And I believe that we should be the change we want to see in the world - and I have seen several examples of strong and brilliant women in their late 40s and 50s whose now grown kids know what their mothers did, and love and respect them as human beings.

Of course, the mothers in those cases did not wait for kids to find out anything and were open with them without shame or guilt. They also did not have cum-shots on the internet anyway.

EDITED TO ADD:

We've come a long way over the last 100 years.
We came to accept that women can wear pants, vote, work and focus on their careers. We came to accept premarital sex as a way to test relationships and compatibility rather than mortal sin.
We figured out that African-Americans are not inherently inferior and welcome mixing races and cultures, instead of watching that with horror.
We came to see gays and trans-sexuals as people with rights and feelings, not abominations.

And I believe that even though it may take a long time, sex workers are next.