My Challenge to Pooners: Help for Nadia!
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perbertt
Okay so basically what you are saying as women in shelters for abused women, may or maynot be scamming this system?
I imaging you have never seen one of these places.
Not the kind of place anyone would "scam" to get to stay there.
"Trust me, there are a lot of people who do not make money but are totally capable of getting jobs and choose not to. Don't blame a person who chooses to work and not scam the system"
You quote would very much imply women stuck in these place are scamming the system.
I imaging you have never seen one of these places.
Not the kind of place anyone would "scam" to get to stay there.
"Trust me, there are a lot of people who do not make money but are totally capable of getting jobs and choose not to. Don't blame a person who chooses to work and not scam the system"
You quote would very much imply women stuck in these place are scamming the system.
Where did i say anthing about donating to a foodbank?Ok...I can see that I need to dumb it down here. By "the system" I was not just referring to womens shelters. I was referrng to ei, welfare, foodbanks, healthcare etc etc. Please let me know if I need to provide FURTHER simplification
Healthcare, employments insurance????
I said I donated to a shelter for abused women.
I am not intersted in PMs. Just fail to see the need to bash someone based no how much they made and assuming they don't need help after a traumatic situation just because of how much they made. Since when is rape and robbery less traumatic for a victim just because they made mor money than another victim. All I said was GOOD FOR HIM TO DONATE TO A SHELTER !!!! THE $10K COMMENT WAS TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR.
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I remember about a year ago there was a girl being assaulted by a guy with a gun and she came here to PERB to warn girls about him. Those where the times of Gravitas-Bobst-Modicus moderation, and the girl was banned because "she was trying to generate business from the assault" (probably not true), and because this was a police matter and shouldn't be discussed here.
WHERE WERE YOU GUYS BACK THEN????? I can see the same names here. Why did everybody accept the banning and the hush-hush without a word of protesting?????
Why is one girl more important than another? Just because she is popular? And if she is not popular she isn't hurt by an assault?
Nothing against Nadia, I feel sorry for her, just tired of this outpooring of sympathy when I know that the same people behaved like assholes not so long ago.....
WHERE WERE YOU GUYS BACK THEN????? I can see the same names here. Why did everybody accept the banning and the hush-hush without a word of protesting?????
Why is one girl more important than another? Just because she is popular? And if she is not popular she isn't hurt by an assault?
Nothing against Nadia, I feel sorry for her, just tired of this outpooring of sympathy when I know that the same people behaved like assholes not so long ago.....
I got it!Don't ask me such hard questions
Sorry Jordan I couldn't help it.
Well we're not interested in your irrelevant arguing.I am not intersted in PMs. Just fail to see the need to bash someone based no how much they made and assuming they don't need help after a traumatic situation just because of how much they made. Since when is rape and robbery less traumatic for a victim just because they made mor money than another victim. All I said was GOOD FOR HIM TO DONATE TO A SJ+HLTER !!!! THE $10K COMMENT WAS TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR.
If you don't like his comment, either PM him to discuss it or learn to ignore it and move on
Threads getting hijacked, especially one thats ACTUALLY useful and important, is ridiculous.
I'm not trying to be a bitch but come on guys.
My goodness.
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perbertt
Don't pretend to be mentally challenged. I have meant YOU and others who only have epathy when it comes to getting pussy. Every other abused woman is a fraudNo kidding. Like the guy who suggested LENDING it rather than just donating it. Obviously willing to help as long as there is someting in it for him
I wasn't here then because I got sick of some assholes harrassing me and threatening me and it stopped being fun on here. Looks like from your join date, you weren't here either
If I was aware, I'd have probably reacted the same way.Ask the guy posted the 'donation for pussy' comment and the $10k comment. I don't feel there is a difference. A victim is a victim regardless of her job, income or any other criteria one may try to use.
If anyone still doubts and does not want to donate to Nadia, if they feel like they need proof, ddonate to anyone of a number of places like a shelter, a hospital, the police to find perpetrators of rape etc. Just don't knock someone for how much they make and treat them less then the other victims. There are lots of places to send help if ths story moves one to so so. Some however prefer to help directly becaue of personal knowledge of the victim. Why do you have to turn it into someting so dirty and use the "pussy" connection??? Ae you that capable of reading minds or is it really just your mind that thinks that way?
So I am the only one in all these threads not ignoring ignorant comments?Well we're not interested in your irrelevant arguing.
If you don't like his comment, either PM him to discuss it or learn to ignore it and move on
Threads getting hijacked, especially one thats ACTUALLY useful and important, is ridiculous.
I'm not trying to be a bitch but come on guys.
My goodness.
I did not think commenting on how low the $10k comment was off track and actually thought it was bringing it BACK on track (ie helping victims PERIOD regardless of income). Obviously you disagree so I will delete my posts.
Its one thing for it to be one comment but when it becomes an argument, it should be done in PM's
that's all Im saying
2 years ago I left my husband and was left with nothing. I could have gone on welfare, in fact I am eligible for disability. I chose this instead as a way to ensure a good future for my daughter and I. I will not be making $10k a month forever, or even for long. I am going back to school later this year and my income will be severely limited then. This is a very hard job at times, and you can look at "who has it worse" in many ways. I certainly help out women in need. Every Christmas I sponsor 5 families in need and spend on average about $1k on each. I also donate clothing, household items etc throughout the year.
On a side note, this has gotten really nasty on Terf. Here is what I just had to post there:
Again, I DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY. It was not my IDEA. It was offered, and since it will be 2 months before I can go back to work, it will help. I have said I will do what I can to pay it back whether that be free sessions, helping girls with their business etc. I even tried to work yesterday as I said, to do what I can MYSELF, and that resulted in stitches and possible permanent damage.
I posted those payment options because I was ASKED to.
I posted those stories in the FIRST place to help the community in awareness. It would have been much easier on me mentally to keep my mouth shut.
Instead I have people raking me over the coals over every little detail and not reading things properly, creating confusion. Some people make assumptions from thin air! Of COURSE I know it was exactly $6000. That's the amount he was quoted, that's what he paid. Do you not know how much money you make? And yes I AM in shock. I'm trying to keep it together as long as I can, but posting incoherent messages about what happened would not be useful to anyone. As far as friends helping, I have a very small circle of friends. Most are spiritual seeking hippies and are in Thailand, India etc. As far as having a place to stay, yes I could crash on someone's couch. Where does that leave my daughter? Sleeping on someones floor? Of course I would rather avoid eviction and have a stable place to stay. She's been through a lot the past few years and I want to uproot and distress her as little as possible.
I am confused, I am doped out on sedatives, I am in serious pain, I have hundreds of people coming at me from all directions. I fall asleep from medication for most of the day yet because I don't immediately respond, I am again accused of stuff.
I have NO problem posting a file number but I WILL not until I talk to the officer about what that entails. I do not know how much information having that number gives someone. I have a right to some privacy. There are other parts of this case I did not post about because a) it is too sensitive and b) it involves a minor.
As far as conducting personal investigations with personal contacts in the police department, I would think that would be illegal, especially if it involves a minor, and if it IS, I will prosecute to the full extent of the law.
Look, this has all snowballed out of control. Why does there have to be all this drama and accusations? I was trying to do something GOOD. Now I am having my privacy invaded, being attacked, and even vicious threats made. And for what, because someone wants to help me out with $20 for groceries? All that was needed is "I'm not comfortable donating without proof" or EVEN not involving yourself at all if your not interested or not comfortable.
All this is doing is ensuring fewer girls will come forward with things like this because they see what they are in for. Resulting in less safety and community awareness. Good job.
Sorry if I sound harsh but I am exhausted and dealing with this shit on top of the extreme trauma I am already suffering is not helping.
On a side note, this has gotten really nasty on Terf. Here is what I just had to post there:
Again, I DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY. It was not my IDEA. It was offered, and since it will be 2 months before I can go back to work, it will help. I have said I will do what I can to pay it back whether that be free sessions, helping girls with their business etc. I even tried to work yesterday as I said, to do what I can MYSELF, and that resulted in stitches and possible permanent damage.
I posted those payment options because I was ASKED to.
I posted those stories in the FIRST place to help the community in awareness. It would have been much easier on me mentally to keep my mouth shut.
Instead I have people raking me over the coals over every little detail and not reading things properly, creating confusion. Some people make assumptions from thin air! Of COURSE I know it was exactly $6000. That's the amount he was quoted, that's what he paid. Do you not know how much money you make? And yes I AM in shock. I'm trying to keep it together as long as I can, but posting incoherent messages about what happened would not be useful to anyone. As far as friends helping, I have a very small circle of friends. Most are spiritual seeking hippies and are in Thailand, India etc. As far as having a place to stay, yes I could crash on someone's couch. Where does that leave my daughter? Sleeping on someones floor? Of course I would rather avoid eviction and have a stable place to stay. She's been through a lot the past few years and I want to uproot and distress her as little as possible.
I am confused, I am doped out on sedatives, I am in serious pain, I have hundreds of people coming at me from all directions. I fall asleep from medication for most of the day yet because I don't immediately respond, I am again accused of stuff.
I have NO problem posting a file number but I WILL not until I talk to the officer about what that entails. I do not know how much information having that number gives someone. I have a right to some privacy. There are other parts of this case I did not post about because a) it is too sensitive and b) it involves a minor.
As far as conducting personal investigations with personal contacts in the police department, I would think that would be illegal, especially if it involves a minor, and if it IS, I will prosecute to the full extent of the law.
Look, this has all snowballed out of control. Why does there have to be all this drama and accusations? I was trying to do something GOOD. Now I am having my privacy invaded, being attacked, and even vicious threats made. And for what, because someone wants to help me out with $20 for groceries? All that was needed is "I'm not comfortable donating without proof" or EVEN not involving yourself at all if your not interested or not comfortable.
All this is doing is ensuring fewer girls will come forward with things like this because they see what they are in for. Resulting in less safety and community awareness. Good job.
Sorry if I sound harsh but I am exhausted and dealing with this shit on top of the extreme trauma I am already suffering is not helping.
Do not even read these threads Nadia. The assholes are just making your experience worse (if that is even possible). I will do what I can and you do not have to worry about free sessions etc. I will do what I can with no strings attached. I have never used paypal so just waiting for Isabelle to post or e-mail alternative instructions. I have already e-mailed her. Hang in the hon. You WILL be OK. Do not compromise your health. You need to heal physically and emotionally. Your daughter needs for you to be strong and healthy.
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perbertt
Again, Nadia, I feel terrible about what happened to you, but you need a reality check. It is a lot harder to raise one's kids on minimum wage or welfare than having sex for money. Yes, it can be dangerous, but it is definitely the easy way out....
Another thing, how do you think the police officers feel when they hear how much money an escort makes and they are happy to make one quarter of that and they have to protect you risking their lives. Remember, the guy had a gun. He could have killed a policeman easily. You have admitted you took chances when you saw a client in the middle of the night.
The other girl was murdered at night. Consider yourself lucky to be alive and I hope you will learn from this.
Wish you all the best. I am not trying to make you feel bad, just giving you something to think about.
What does this means? I'm confused. Can somebody explain?
Nadia,
I think you have already achieved your noble goal of alerting and helping other SPs. You should now focus only on your well being and try to rest as much as you can. Surely you do have friends in real life who could lend you a shoulder. Why stress yourself out and bother with the endless arguments on these boards at all? Please take care of yourself.
Oh, btw, have you tried the Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter organization? They can definitely assist you in many ways.
http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/
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Really, well as a person born in to welfare and a person who at one point very recently, struggle to raise 2 kids on welfare and min wage jobs, let me tell you that having sex for money is NOT as easy as you think it is. Nadia's situation is a prime example of what make this a harder way of life. Every call that I get I'm scard. (Not really a concern with a min wage job the worst you have to worry about is how are you going to feed your kids? Well you go to a foodbank. Problem solved). You never know when your going to get beat down, robbed, raped ect.(I don't worry about that on welfare)Not every women can do this. Your a man how can you even have an opinion about this. Do you have sex for money to support your kids? Basicly, you do what you have to do to make it. and thats your reality check!
Question, If I apply for a student loan "goverment hand out" to better my life as well as my kids, should I then feel like I'm taking the easy way out casue I didn't earn it?
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I don't think your in a position to speek on behalf of all police officers and tell us what there thinking and feeling. It is there jobs to protect and serve NO MATTER a Escort, a bum, a theif, a business man, a housewife ect. Are you suggesting that the police were unhappy to catch the assailants because of the fact that Nadia make more then they do?
Yeah right!
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perbertt
what I am suggesting is that she put the lives of the policemen on risk by being irresponsible and seeing someone in the middle of the night.
And I find it very interesting that you would be offended if someone said risk is part of an escort's life, but you say the same about a policeman. You're saying that an escort can be irresponsible and they have to bail her out risking their lives, because they are here to protect us.
Right?
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