Just Missing the Old Days

[Oberons_ghost]

if you are not into listening to an old guy bitch about how much better it was in the old days you should probably stop now..

I've been in this hobby for a long damn time hell it was almost a profession for me for a few years, damn near cost me one marriage and sure has cost me a lot of $$$ over the years, but damn have I had fun.. But these days I'm getting older and things just are not what they use to be.. I also remember when a drive down Richards would get you a hard on from the scenery and the cost was reasonable and if you were short on cash a trip down Hastings would get you something that was not scary and only set you back a couple of greens. There were a couple of places that offered a room for an hour for 20 bucks.. I had two regulars I found off the hastings area that were fun great girls who had their own place and provided good service.. Then I got into escorts in the 90s and it was amazing great time duos you name. I had tons of fun with a list of regulars that didi cost me a small fortune but man the memories.. Then there was craigslist and the part timers there or some of the phone chat lines that were good as well for either regular girls or part timers. Vancouver was pussy heaven.. but slowly it all has gone down hill IMHO yes I know there are great girls still out there but it's getting pretty hard for a retired guy with a hard on to make ends meet.. i don't know the whole scene just does not have the same feel for me now.. i still go out but now adays it is really just for a quick visit or massage no more long action sessions. Maybe I'm just turning into a bitter old man LoL but it just ain't what it use to be...

Ok rant over ...

 

[masterpoonhunter]

if you are not into listening to an old guy bitch about how much better it was in the old days you should probably stop now..

I've been in this hobby for a long damn time hell it was almost a profession for me for a few years, damn near cost me one marriage and sure has cost me a lot of $$$ over the years, but damn have I had fun.. But these days I'm getting older and things just are not what they use to be.. I also remember when a drive down Richards would get you a hard on from the scenery and the cost was reasonable and if you were short on cash a trip down Hastings would get you something that was not scary and only set you back a couple of greens. There were a couple of places that offered a room for an hour for 20 bucks.. I had two regulars I found off the hastings area that were fun great girls who had their own place and provided good service.. Then I got into escorts in the 90s and it was amazing great time duos you name. I had tons of fun with a list of regulars that didi cost me a small fortune but man the memories.. Then there was craigslist and the part timers there or some of the phone chat lines that were good as well for either regular girls or part timers. Vancouver was pussy heaven.. but slowly it all has gone down hill IMHO yes I know there are great girls still out there but it's getting pretty hard for a retired guy with a hard on to make ends meet.. i don't know the whole scene just does not have the same feel for me now.. i still go out but now adays it is really just for a quick visit or massage no more long action sessions. Maybe I'm just turning into a bitter old man LoL but it just ain't what it use to be...

Ok rant over ...

You are right, the good old days ... So so good!!
But as Toby Keith wrote and sang "Don't Let the Old Man In" stay positive, there is still good pussy out there, it is just harder to come across.

 

[wincity23]

I have no experience to agree or disagree with this sentiment, being a relative newcomer. However, this sentiment permeates every level of society. Not a day goes by that i don't hear this about restaurant service, hotel service, health care, trades work etc etc. While i don't necessarily disagree with it, i believe there's a psychological element to that way of thinking based on your life experience, time spent in such industries and aging.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

I have no experience to agree or disagree with this sentiment, being a relative newcomer. However, this sentiment permeates every level of society. Not a day goes by that i don't hear this about restaurant service, hotel service, health care, trades work etc etc. While i don't necessarily disagree with it, i believe there's a psychological element to that way of thinking based on your life experience, time spent in such industries and aging.

There is no 'psychological element' to any of this. The good days were really good days. Glad I was part of them while there were there. And that did not just apply to pooning, it applied to life in general, where what one made covered costs and left money on the table, crime was still there but not in any way allowed to happen as it does today (fuck this catch and release bullshit). Corporate greed was there but manageable, rents were in line with what the population could afford and on and on. And the poontang was outstanding, both pro and civilian.

The OP nailed it in his comments.

 

[blakealridge]

Oh yeah it was so much better for us too.
LOL JK NOPE

 

[steverino]

When I first started in Victoria in the mid-1990's there was no Perb, hence no reviews, or I hadn't found it. There was one agency and some indie ads in Monday magazine. The pics were mostly absent or fake. I asked one lady over the phone if she was actually Brittney Spears. The agency, I think it was Classy Ladies, was hit and miss. There was a street walker market but I didn't participate. There was not so much in the way of GFE, mostly pretty vanilla sex. My recollection is that the prices, accounting for inflation, were lower. Dates were a half hour or hour not as many extended stay options.

When Harvi started SVIP's a more professional, GFE experience became the norm and to my way of thinking, things improved for the ladies and gentlemen. The past few years have seen a dramatic shift to more upscale agencies and independents. I can see how many find the pricing going beyond their comfort zone with the overall experience becoming more of a luxury than a middle class offering.

 

[wincity23]

There is no 'psychological element' to any of this. The good days were really good days. Glad I was part of them while there were there. And that did not just apply to pooning, it applied to life in general, where what one made covered costs and left money on the table, crime was still there but not in any way allowed to happen as it does today (fuck this catch and release bullshit). Corporate greed was there but manageable, rents were in line with what the population could afford and on and on. And the poontang was outstanding, both pro and civilian.

The OP nailed it in his comments.

If that were true, only one generation would have the good old days-not every generation. We all have them, based on our favorite time being alive-usually in our prime when responsibilities were lower and cash wasn't spoken for at the same rate it is later on in life. Again-no argument per se-if you're talking about this game-maybe you're right-i wouldn't know. I do remember seeing a lot of gorgeous women in Winnipeg exchange district back when i was a teen and cruising on the weekends-serious 9's and 10's that i don't see in ads now. Still, i can't imagine answering newspaper ads/yellow pages ads, soliciting on the street etc. Appreciate your perspective though.

 

[Oldfart]

Some things that were bad about the "good old days" in comparison with today:

• There were no mobile phones. You had to call an SP from a pay phone (she told you which one to call back from after you arrived near her incall).
• It was too easy for a nervous pooner to lock his keys into his car (as happened to me).
• Ads in the Buy & Sell, Province classified, and Georgia Straight had no photos (as if they're realistic on Leolist today).

 

[jeffu]

When I first started in Victoria in the mid-1990's there was no Perb, hence no reviews, or I hadn't found it. There was one agency and some indie ads in Monday magazine. The pics were mostly absent or fake. I asked one lady over the phone if she was actually Brittney Spears. The agency, I think it was Classy Ladies, was hit and miss. There was a street walker market but I didn't participate. There was not so much in the way of GFE, mostly pretty vanilla sex. My recollection is that the prices, accounting for inflation, were lower. Dates were a half hour or hour not as many extended stay options.

When Harvi started SVIP's a more professional, GFE experience became the norm and to my way of thinking, things improved for the ladies and gentlemen. The past few years have seen a dramatic shift to more upscale agencies and independents. I can see how many find the pricing going beyond their comfort zone with the overall experience becoming more of a luxury than a middle class offering.

I started in 2005 and my experience more-or-less lines up with yours. There were some great providers at decent rates but the service was on the whole more "vanilla" as you say. Kissing and daty were not nearly the norm and the best you could do is ask for an "open minded" provider and hope for the best. Harvi did indeed change the game for the better in Vic in so many ways. I think I've actually been subconciously grieving the sudden loss of SVIPS. I was a regular off and on for many years. They'd sort of fallen off a bit following the pandemic but it still came as a surprise to me when they just up and closed their doors. I walked past the location recently and got super nostalgic for all the times I walked with anticipation up to the door, rang the buzzer and had my heart nearly skip a beat as I'd hear that characteristic sound as the door unlocked and a gentle hand pushed it open wheere I'd meet, sometimes for the first time, many many times for a repeat visit, some stunning young woman who would take me to paradise for a time. I had many great and beautiful memories over the years in there.

I gotta say though, I've had limited experience with both Vogue and IF, having tried each of those agencies for the first time in the past few weeks and so far all my experiences have been amazing and the women I've met have all been beautiful, thoughtful, intelligent and among the very best I've had the pleasure to visit with over the years. The prices are a bit of an adjustment but honestly factoring in inflation and the cost of living these days, coupleed with the extremely high calibre of women that are available, at least in those two agencies...and I have a hard time arguing the prices are unreasonable. All of this to say, as a nearly 20 year on and off again "vet" of this hobby in Vic I couldn't be happier with where things are at right now.

 

[westwoody]

Back in the day service was either bj or “half and half”, and when you came it was over. GFE didn’t exist unless you took a girl for all night. Kissing was rare, daty was nonexistent. You wouldn’t want to anyway since the ladies would use a wet wipe and be back on the track in minutes. No showers for either party!

As wincity said, there were a lot of really gorgeous women working. They had to be on top of their game because the competition was standing right next to them. There’s very very few working currently that compare.

 

[HunkyBill]

There's also a major disconnect between the newer and older generations. The word unhinged or dysfunctional has never been used so frequently. Wokeism has taken a new meaning replacing the old term of political correctness.

Here are some real-world examples that illustrate the shift in societal dynamics over the past decade and a half:

1. Economic Pressures and Corporate Exploitation

Take Wendy's Restaurants in the USA testing the market with a surge in menu prices during peak hours. It's greedflation at it's finest. and reflects a worrying trend in business ethics. Fifteen years ago, such blatant exploitation of consumer demand wasn't as prevalent. Additionally, the phenomenon of greedflation and shrink inflation, where corporations inflate prices while reducing product sizes, contributes to the feeling of being unfairly gouged by corporate entities. The masses especially amongst the privileged and ultra-rich just ignore and move-on.

2. Political Influence and Legal Challenges

What about the recent fundraising campaign to cover Trump's massive $355 million fine? It's perplexing to see even his billionaire status and impoverished supporters contributing. This is just one of many examples which underscores the troubling mindset prevalent today.

3. Challenges with Modern Generations:

Contrary to the assertion that every generation has issues with the previous ones, contemporary conflicts between generations, such as between Gen Y and Gen Z, exhibit unique characteristics. Gen Z's emphasis on individualism to the extent of disregarding moral or ethical considerations is a departure from previous generational conflicts.

The entitlement and pickiness observed in newer generations are evidenced by trends in job placements, where demands for specific perks and accommodations surpass what previous generations sought. Examples include preferences for remote work, flexible hours, and personalized benefits packages.

4. Value of Elderly Insights and Disparity between Rich and Poor:

"Mature" folks or elders often have a unique perspective shaped by decades of experience. Dismissing their observations as mere nostalgia or psychological bias overlooks the valuable insights we bring to the table, especially regarding the growing gap between the rich and poor.

A few decades ago there was a more discernible middle class, but now, the disparity is stark, and only those who are struggling on a pension and not privileged truly understand the magnitude of this issue.

From where I stand, it's alarming how easily the younger generations are swayed by platforms like TikTok and YouTube. Worst of all, they deny they're being influenced.

It's very unsettling to witness how the privileged and wealthy retirees often have their views tainted or constrained. This is just one example of the pervasive influence of social media and wealth on people's perspectives, but there are countless other instances of societal distortion and manipulation that weren't as prevalent in the past

So yeah, I agree with the OP where things were much better many years ago even in the world of pooning. And arguably, humanity hasn't experienced such dysfunction in centuries.

 

[stressless123]

The entitlement and pickiness observed in newer generations are evidenced by trends in job placements, where demands for specific perks and accommodations surpass what previous generations sought. Examples include preferences for remote work, flexible hours, and personalized benefits packages.

You had a good post but you lost me here. If I can negotiate those perks as a part of my job offer that means I have something to offer that the company needs and that my negotiation skills are good. How is that entitlement when all I am trying to achieve is a good work-life balance. I need my vacation time to relax and work from home is the best for me as I get more done than if I am in the office due to less distractions. I am only working my exact hours as I deliver everything that is needed on time and my vacation time is my time so no I am not going to respond to your emails during my unpaid/contractually paid vacation times. This is work culture observed in many other countries so I personally don't see any entitlements here. I would hope these things are standard practices in our work culture but unfortunately they aren't in corporate America. You are free to negotiate those yourself too or work towards changing the system rather than being mad at people that are good at negotiating what they want and calling them entitled.

 

[Pumped]

I can only write about my experience in the early 2000's and now 20 years later!

Do I think it was better then than now? Define 'better'.

As noted: it was all 1/2 and 1/2 and the moment you came you were tossed out the door. Sometimes prices were reasonable, sometimes they were insane and sometimes you got a great deal for no good reason.

I had some adventures that were just nuts -- one in particular still makes my knees shake and not in a good way.

My two cents is that the women I see now are way better than those I saw 20 years ago. Much better looking -- and that's not just enhancements. Young women today -- for better or worse -- have a waaaay different attitude towards sex and being a Service Provider than women 20 years ago in this business.

If I chose one criteria to determine why it's better now I'd choose this: every one of the 25 SP's I have seen in the past two years has treated me with nothing but warmth and respect. I would say that there really does seem to be a level of professionalism among SP's that wasn't as prevalent in the past.

I can list many instances from 20 years ago where I was treated like trash by lots of the SP's who I met. The one that comes to mind is the woman who walked into the room, not a hello, nothing -- she just threw a condom at me and told me to put that on.

I'm glad there's guys who had a good time in the past. I had a lot of 'experiences' but not all of them were good, pleasant, safe or anything I'd like to repeat again.

Right now, with the SP's I'm seeing, I'm in fucking heaven! Thanks ladies!

 

[HunkyBill]

You had a good post but you lost me here. If I can negotiate those perks as a part of my job offer that means I have something to offer that the company needs and that my negotiation skills are good. How is that entitlement when all I am trying to achieve is a good work-life balance. I need my vacation time to relax and work from home is the best for me as I get more done than if I am in the office due to less distractions. I am only working my exact hours as I deliver everything that is needed on time and my vacation time is my time so no I am not going to respond to your emails during my unpaid/contractually paid vacation times. This is work culture observed in many other countries so I personally don't see any entitlements here. I would hope these things are standard practices in our work culture but unfortunately they aren't in corporate America. You are free to negotiate those yourself too or work towards changing the system rather than being mad at people that are good at negotiating what they want and calling them entitled.

Negotiating for perks like vacation time and remote work might seem like seeking work-life balance, but it can also come across as entitlement and ego. Vacation is a basic right, but remote work is not. There is a major distinction here where remote work proponents overlook. While one may believe they're just showcasing negotiation skills, boasting about it shows ego and entitlement.

Despite claims that such practices like negotiating leave and remote work are widespread, there is ample evidence that its benefits are few. In fact, lack of productivity and lack of social intelligence are becoming common. Growing concerns about productivity and collaboration in remote work setups have resulted in many employers requiring their employees back to the office.

Now, more than ever, employees are not approaching negotiations with humility and are failing to consider the broader context. Instead, they seem to be prioritizing personal desires (and entitlement). Unlike prior generations, the "all about me" generation is in full throttle.

 

[angry anderson]

I can only write about my experience in the early 2000's and now 20 years later!

Do I think it was better then than now? Define 'better'.

As noted: it was all 1/2 and 1/2 and the moment you came you were tossed out the door. Sometimes prices were reasonable, sometimes they were insane and sometimes you got a great deal for no good reason.

I had some adventures that were just nuts -- one in particular still makes my knees shake and not in a good way.

My two cents is that the women I see now are way better than those I saw 20 years ago. Much better looking -- and that's not just enhancements. Young women today -- for better or worse -- have a waaaay different attitude towards sex and being a Service Provider than women 20 years ago in this business.

If I chose one criteria to determine why it's better now I'd choose this: every one of the 25 SP's I have seen in the past two years has treated me with nothing but warmth and respect. I would say that there really does seem to be a level of professionalism among SP's that wasn't as prevalent in the past.

I can list many instances from 20 years ago where I was treated like trash by lots of the SP's who I met. The one that comes to mind is the woman who walked into the room, not a hello, nothing -- she just threw a condom at me and told me to put that on.

I'm glad there's guys who had a good time in the past. I had a lot of 'experiences' but not all of them were good, pleasant, safe or anything I'd like to repeat again.

Right now, with the SP's I'm seeing, I'm in fucking heaven! Thanks ladies!

Reviews.....contact info.....?

 

[Poontalk Saint]

This might sound cliche, but one thing in which I think we are and pretty much have dug a hole for ourselves (me included) is our attachment to our phones. It is a very common occurrence to go to a coffee shop/ restaurant which is supposed to be a place to for socializing and communication unless of course your by yourself studying or just relaxing. But very often you see either a group or a couple people sitting together but glued to their phones (and it’s not just young people).

I was just recently at a restaurant and two ladies, sat across from each other and they barely said a word to each other the whole time but were looking at their phones intently the whole time. It wasn’t even young ladies, probably close to 40’s.

Although I really appreciate the advancement of technology like this, it is a sad day when this is happening on a grand scale. We’re supposed have our phones, the phones shouldn’t have us.

As I said earlier this applies to me as well, I know how easy it is to fall in that trap.

To add to this , I don’t really mind if a lady that I am seeing for a session is having to answer texts a little bit if she is doing her own bookings, but if she is scrolling her social media feed while working on me ( not sure if that actually happens) that would be a little unnerving.

 

[Delilah Day]

Women aren't hotter. They're in better shape and have cosmetic procedures to make them appear prettier than previous generations. It's all superficial, like their personalities. Everything is processed these days, just saying.

Hmmm… okay

 

[Wakeup]

Like your comments

 

[RedDragon64]

My version of the good old days was when I was stationed in Singapore in 2010.

There was a website called Laksaboy which was a collection of about 10 agency websites. I had 4 go-to agencies shortlisted that never failed to provide great quality Thai women for great prices (basically lunch money prices). Typical prices were $100 to $120 for 90min (2 shots) so my standard booking was 3 hours. The photos of the providers in the adverts were tweaked, but you could still always rely on them looking like their photos (but with less makeup). Bait and switch was zero.

I managed to see over half the providers on this page over a few month period. Those were the good old days...

 

[Bull69]

Any actual Intel on state of SW action in Vancouver(who,what,when, why not)? Or just pining for the old days?