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Is it really this bad? (SP life)

laurel love

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Sometimes you read an amazing story about research on a cream that will reduce sunspots or skin damage or increase penis width and then you look up at the top of the article to notice the word "advertisement"...which is what this reminds me of...just sleazy promotion.

I have been in and around the industry, my version of it, and I only meet nice people. Maybe, people should not blame others for their own choices. Maybe, if you are meeting nasty folks then you are doing something wrong? Or behaving rudely? Sex is fun. If you have boundaries and a sense of humour, if you stay clean, then how is it a problem?

Anyone can be an ass, but most everyone can be nice! It generally takes two.

Anyway, I know women who used their money to party, and I don't mean the casual sort of party, but, hardcore. They got out of this industry what they CHOSE.

I am a clerk...very poorly paid job these days, although, I made good money once! I am grateful to have an opportunity to be able to afford the extras in life and put away for my old age.

Hey, I would much rather be married, but, all the great guys I meet are already hitched.
 

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benjamin perrin, so called trafficking expert, also does this. he compares conditions in 3rd world countries and war zones and extrapolates those applying them to canada, which is not comparable on any level to an african war zone.

also, much of the abolitionist "research" is conducted by accessing sex workers through rape crisis centers. if all of the sex workers you speak to are calling a rape crisis line, of course your research shows that all sex workers have been raped.

they manipulate the facts in order to achieve their desired outcome and the majority of these so called findings and statistics do not meet the critieria set forth by the government of canada in terms of ethical research involving human beings, known as the tri council policy statement.

love susieXXXO
yes, tamara o'dorhety from SFU crim is focused on indoor sex work and it's being safer, she is also about to finish a research project i took part in for her PHD and for which i am attending her informal defence this thursday!!

it's open to the public!!
10:30 am thursday jan 13,2011
room 10218- seaward hall-
in the arts and sciences building SFU burnaby mountain.

love susieXXXO

ps, sorry porcelian princess i have to disagree, i think your 99% is a bit over the top and besides, don't 99% of all people have some kind of baggage?

when they say we are all molested as youth or too raped to know what's best for us, they are justifying taking action without consulting us. it is how they strip us of our voice and agency and make decisions like removing craigslist under the guise of of them knowing what is best for us and us being too emotionally comrpimised to form consent so needing to be protected from ourselves.

the department of justice has a mandate that claims they are commited to public consultations and victims rights and that they always want to hear from the people affected. they lobbied for the removal of craigslist without ever consulting a single person who would be affected based on the assumption, we are all abused and don't know what's best for us and so don't need to be consulted.

don't mean to carry on but making broad sweeping statements like 99% of workers are emotionally unstable or have been abused etc based on no evidence is not helpful.
Thank you Susi, for once again promoting the "TRUTH" about this trade in the face of so much misinformation we are bombarded with constantly!

I have worked in a couple of agencies and have met many, many SP's and I would honestly say from my observations that maybe half of them had an obvious problem. Then again, half of most people do. It does definitely skew the way you look at sex and damages your ability to have healthy relationships with men. These aren't just street women, they are working out of agencies too. It doesn't make sense you could work as a prostitute for 21 years or even 5 years and come out unscathed.
And thank you Shelby for your honesty. I'm sure constantly having sex every day, some good, some bad, and a lot of it indifferent would skew anyone's view of sex.

Every profession has it's down sides and the one I've heard the most complaints about from SPs is their inability to form healthy relationships with men in their private lives while they are working in the industry. And a lot of it has to do with the men not being able to deal with with their SO working in the industry even though they swear that it has no effect on them.

I think that may be the most difficult part for many women in the industry, and the main reason why they leave. But believe me ladies, I have been around this business for 30 years, have met many great SPs who are wonderful giving people and believe me, there are many clients like myself who really appreciate what you do and also what a difficult job it is to give so much of yourselves to your clients. THANK YOU! It can't be said enough, THANK YOU!
 

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I have worked in a couple of agencies and have met many, many SP's and I would honestly say from my observations that maybe half of them had an obvious problem. Then again, half of most people do. It does definitely skew the way you look at sex and damages your ability to have healthy relationships with men. These aren't just street women, they are working out of agencies too. It doesn't make sense you could work as a prostitute for 21 years or even 5 years and come out unscathed.
Completely agree with your commentary here.

What struck me was this from the article:
"a sick world, full of broken dreams and empty promises, battered, shattered, sexually abused women, men and children. ... (The sex industry) is causing alarming divorce rates, teen pregnancies, STDs-AIDS, drug usage, not to mention altered views of what sex really means."

Read more: http://www.burnabynow.com/news/told+have+walk+away/4079350/story.html#ixzz1Ai2lDuY5
I have stated almost the same many times in discussion about this industry.

Not sayin I have not had some good sex to feed my addiction in the past but I look back on it now & see the vast amount of money spent & the lives affected.

Sadly some of the gals I used to know now have substance abuse issues & are struggling to be happy after getting too involved in the SP lifestyle.

Very sad indeed.


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Completely agree with your commentary here.

What struck me was this from the article:


I have stated almost the same many times in discussion about this industry.

Not sayin I have not had some good sex to feed my addiction in the past but I look back on it now & see the vast amount of money spent & the lives affected.

Sadly some of the gals I used to know now have substance abuse issues & are struggling to be happy after getting too involved in the SP lifestyle.

Very sad indeed.


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Krustee, you really do sound sad. So you're saying it's all about addictions, sexual for the clients, chemical for the SPs, and about abuse, emptiness and of course all that money spent.

I've said earlier in this thread that I don't begrudge one penny I've spent on this pastime, but you seem to regret all of it.

That really is sad.
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
I have worked in a couple of agencies and have met many, many SP's and I would honestly say from my observations that maybe half of them had an obvious problem. Then again, half of most people do. It does definitely skew the way you look at sex and damages your ability to have healthy relationships with men. These aren't just street women, they are working out of agencies too. It doesn't make sense you could work as a prostitute for 21 years or even 5 years and come out unscathed.
the problem with this statement is 2 fold, one of which you pointed out yourself, we all have problems in our lives to 1 degree or another.

the other problem lies in the acceptance that sex workers should not expect to be safe at work. the statement that we can not expect to come out unscathed. it infers that sex work is inherently violent which it has been proven through legitimate research that it is not.

some workers go through their entire career and never experience violence or exploitation.

the assertion that sex work impacts all workers sexual relationships is also not based in fact. i know many who thoroughly enjoy sex and others who do not. i my opinion, if sex work is impacting your emotions in this way and affecting your happiness, maybe a different area of the industry would be more suited to your boundaries.

for example, if you made me get up on stage at the number 5 and strip in front of a crowd, i would be horrified and traumatized. i like the 1 on1 i experience ...or sometimes 2 or 3 on 1...lol.

these issues are labour related. if people could be given clear information on their choices of work in and their health and safety in the sex industry perhaps workers wouldn't be put into these posititions simply because they didn't know what their options were.

occupational health and safety is a human right. when working conditions are found to be dangerous in a factory, we don't resign oursleves and say oh well, those factory workers new this was dangerous so shouldn't expect to be safe at work.

no, we (mainstream society)enforce labour law and improve working conditions.

statements like those above are a reflection of how long these problems have existed and how embedded they are into our society. instead of working towards safety as logic should dictate, we simply accept that this is how it is and sex workers, since we are all disease ridden,drug addicted, sexually abused children of insest, deserve what we get.

i have said it before and i'll say it again...wouldn't want to disappoint!!

this is an information war.

do these workers look unhappy? this is the 50's when there were no murders of sex workers in vancouver;



or this photo that says we are worse than hitler?



if you ever wondered how they convinced so many germans to turn on their neighbours, look around. we are living the same nightmare. mis information leading to misconceptions leading to indifference and bad policies and finally resulting in death.

i have been a worker for 24 years and have met many workers and 8 of my friends are dead. yes, many have endured violence but almost all of that violence was preventable. i myself have experienced violence and exploitation but do not blame the industry. the systems failure to support me during my time of need and the ever degrading safety of working conditions (brothel/street ) is to blame.

the only people who can change that is us. we have to change the way we see ourselves and the way society see us.

love susieXXXO
 

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Changing things around.....she got her sight....mind, life and soul back. :cool:
judging by the basic dishonesties in the article exposed in the thread here, i would say she got none of the above, and has a long way to go to even begin to understand what has happened to her

a guy said to me once when a person introduces themself as a christian, make sure you know where your wallet is at all times...

just sayin'
 

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Ain't that the truth. She already exploited others, and now proceeds to do it under a religious guise. Yikes....I better get married and preggers. haha
in my opinion, this woman is a poverty pimp. she lost it all, probably treated her workers like shit and now sees the potential for profit in crying victim. the religious zealots will pay alot to hear someone say what they want to hear.

also, the average age of entry into prostitution being 14 was debunked by justice himmel, one of the very useful facts in the decision. the research study sample group was made up of children between the ages of 11 and 17. the researchers never spoke to any adult sex industry workers, only exploited youth.

she is full of shit and is the worst kind of profiteer we face. people actually paying a former admitted trafficker if you will allowing her to profit from the women she harmed, in her own words, and their experiences again.in terms of varied experiences in this industry, definitly. not everyone is cut out for it emotionally. for me the key is make sure people understand their choices for working in the sex industry and that they choose and area they are physically and emotionally comfortable with.

for instance if a worker finds full contact one on one encounters with gentlemen purchasing their services unpleasant or beyond their boundaries, they may want to consider an area of the industry that doesn't require contact, like web cam or adult film where its limited contact.

in the end many of the issues evolving in our industry would be adressed by ensuring people are given the tools to make informed decisions about where in the industry they work and how to be safe in that work. by workers i mean drivers, booking girls,bouncers, dancers, escorts...everyone.

people die in the mining industry, forrestry,fisheries,oil....do we abolish them because people get hurt? or are exploited?

no, we implement labour law and occupational health and safety to protect ethical businesses and workers from harm. we don't criminalize an entire industry because God said so....

this woman is jumping on the human trafficking band wagon and the zealots will eat it up, disgusting. it's like watching a car crash, people can't turn away. they want to hear about all the harm and pain we've suffered, they like to hear it.

i for one do not talk about those parts of my life any more when i speak publically excpet in the loosest of terms. it sickened me to watch the faces of the people i was presenting to as they recoiled in revulsion and clung to every word. during questions afterwards, people would ask for more detail from my assaults. what the fuck man? did you not have any questions about how we could fix things?

God forbid a woman be finacially stable and independent....someone impregnate them strumpettes and get 'em married up quick!!love susieXXXO
I would posture to say that 100% of PEOPLE have baggage.
I think that 99% of women in this industry have baggage of some sort.. I think that the majority of us have a vice. smoking/gambling/drugs/drinking. I think that the serverity of the vice varies girl to girl. I grew up in a normal home and wasnt abused as a child, I have always had a high sex drive.
Yep, that is a big challenge for me. Though, I am and will continue to be independent, even in coupling or marriage. Codependent no more! I would add that another main issue is the lack of acceptance in society which affects us in our other relationships, including family and friends, landlords, etc.
Thank you Susi, for once again promoting the "TRUTH" about this trade in the face of so much misinformation we are bombarded with constantly!



And thank you Shelby for your honesty. I'm sure constantly having sex every day, some good, some bad, and a lot of it indifferent would skew anyone's view of sex.

Every profession has it's down sides and the one I've heard the most complaints about from SPs is their inability to form healthy relationships with men in their private lives while they are working in the industry. And a lot of it has to do with the men not being able to deal with with their SO working in the industry even though they swear that it has no effect on them.I think that may be the most difficult part for many women in the industry, and the main reason why they leave. But believe me ladies, I have been around this business for 30 years, have met many great SPs who are wonderful giving people and believe me, there are many clients like myself who really appreciate what you do and also what a difficult job it is to give so much of yourselves to your clients. THANK YOU! It can't be said enough, THANK YOU!
 

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a guy said to me once when a person introduces themself as a christian, make sure you know where your wallet is at all times...

just sayin'
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sisie, I don't think she was restricting her comment to violence only. I think she was trying to suggest that it is difficult to do this kind of work for a long period and not be effected by it in some way. It may not be violence, it may be emotional issues or relationship issues or something else. I think perhaps your passionate advocacy pushed you to jump to a conclusion about what she was writing that was a bit narrower than what she seems to have meant. Or at least that's MHO.
 

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yes, tamara o'dorhety from SFU crim is focused on indoor sex work and it's being safer, she is also about to finish a research project i took part in for her PHD and for which i am attending her informal defence this thursday!!

it's open to the public!!
10:30 am thursday jan 13,2011
room 10218- seaward hall-
in the arts and sciences building SFU burnaby mountain.

love susieXXXO

ps, sorry porcelian princess i have to disagree, i think your 99% is a bit over the top and besides, don't 99% of all people have some kind of baggage?

when they say we are all molested as youth or too raped to know what's best for us, they are justifying taking action without consulting us. it is how they strip us of our voice and agency and make decisions like removing craigslist under the guise of of them knowing what is best for us and us being too emotionally comrpimised to form consent so needing to be protected from ourselves.

the department of justice has a mandate that claims they are commited to public consultations and victims rights and that they always want to hear from the people affected. they lobbied for the removal of craigslist without ever consulting a single person who would be affected based on the assumption, we are all abused and don't know what's best for us and so don't need to be consulted.

don't mean to carry on but making broad sweeping statements like 99% of workers are emotionally unstable or have been abused etc based on no evidence is not helpful.

Sounds interesting.

But I believe you're actually looking for Saywell (and Blussom) Hall, for as far as I know there is no such building as Seawell Hall. Just don't want you making the trip for nothing...
http://students.sfu.ca/tour/SelfTour.pdf
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
dudes and ladies, i totally wasn't trying to zero in on shelby, just makin an example is all. sorry if anyone took it that way.

i am merely pointing out that many jobs are stressful and impact peoples relationships and sexuality. why is it that every thing sex workers experience must be attributed to our work? and why is it they don't compare our happiness and mental stability to other groups, like nurses, or policemen, or lawyers...? how happy and well adjusted are they? and is it a result of their profession?

again, just putting it out there.

love susieXXXO
 

live.and.learn

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I hope you can answer my question that I ask with all due respect....

If this industry was so demoralizing, damaging and horrible, why do you have an account on Perb? If you were so tramatized, what are you doing on an escort review site if you're out for good, with a loving relationship, new life and all?
I don't think I really need to defend myself too much with your comment. Of course I am going to check out Perb from time to time. This job took up some years of my life, it's hard to forget. I always enjoyed reading some posters comments on here. It is nice to see how some of my old clients and ladies I worked with are doing. Perb is more then a review forum, the lounge usually discusses peoples opinions of current events. Not much else to really to say, other then I am not on here to look for a job if that's what you may be insinuating.
 

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Live.And.Learn, thank you for your far more honest and fair description of your time working as an SP. And congratulations on getting out of a job you hated. And thank you for also conceding that there are good clients and there are ladies out there who genuinely enjoy the job of giving pleasure.

Any job that involves physical contact with another human being is not always "nice". Witness the very difficult job many health care workers have to do changing elderly patients diapers and bedpans, etc. And many of these patients can be very cranky just like the jerk customers you had.

But some people actually enjoy doing this work inspite of the bad experiences. There are some people that just like to help others.

And what is wrong with a profession that involves giving pleasure to another human being? I have loved prostitutes all my life for the pleasure they have given me! I don't begrudge one penny I've given to any of them. They have made my life immeasurably richer! I think being an SP is one of the most honorable professions there is. Yes it's a difficult job. But that makes me all the more thankful to the beautiful women who take up this trade!

If society would change it's attitude toward the trade, I think more of the women working in it would have higher self esteem and be happier doing what they do!
You seem like a nice guy who has respect for the women in the trade. I'm sure ladies enjoy having you as a client :) Kudos.
 

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there are goodplumbers and bad plumbers, good salespeople and poor sales people, good polititians and rotten polititians. SPs are no different. Some love what they do and some hate it. Everyone makes choices about what they will and will not do and how they will or will not do it. The real difference between all other professions and SPs is how the profession is viewed by housewife prostitutes who view honest working girls as competition. That leads to all kinds of political and religious persecution. What most housewives fail to understand is that without SPs to relieve the pressure, the divorce rate would skyrocket.
 

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I meet a lot of nurses on disability, mostly for mental stress. That is one stressful job. Sometimes they are asked to do or not to do things and it goes against their conscience. They are often poorly treated by both doctors and patients. I don't see any Christian groups agonizing over these women who now live on disability and not very well btw.

The reality is these groups hate prostitutes. They think we are dirty. They wouldn't care if we all died right now, just so long as we didn't do it inconveniently in their neighbourhood. They don't wanna save us. They wanna get rid of us.

Oh, and the young women they offer up as reformed prostitutes, really? How do we know they were anything more than party whores at their local high school.
 

Krustee

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Krustee, you really do sound sad. So you're saying it's all about addictions, sexual for the clients, chemical for the SPs, and about abuse, emptiness and of course all that money spent.

I've said earlier in this thread that I don't begrudge one penny I've spent on this pastime, but you seem to regret all of it.

That really is sad.
BS, you should realize that I am no novice to this hobby.

I have participated in it more than 15 years now.

I have seen incredible cruelty.
I have seen the lowest of the low, people who were mere shells of a human being out selling their bodies on Hastings.

I've been ripped off more times than I can count & when I first started it was a hard lesson I learned about the "Seymour Girls" & their masterful art of the "upsell".

Prior to starting this hobby I generally believed you could look at a person & tell whether or not they were honest & you could take them at their word.

Time & experience has taught me that gals in the escort business are among the most skilled swindlers in the world!

For many of them the word scruples is not even in their vocabulary.

Many of you will say well Krustee it's all your fault that you get ripped off.

Not true!
I started out very nice & naive & was taken advantage of for a couple years before I started to harden.

Once I became a bit more savvy what to look for with a provider my "luck" seemed to change.

What is it that makes some of these gals lower themselves to blatant theft & swindling of clients?

That is what Shelby is talking about, people who begin to lose their integrity & humanity through this occupation.

Many of the gals who ripped me off had probably been abused by other men & had no compunction doing something dishonest or unjust to me.

This occupation like few others in the world is exposed to the absolute worst of humanity.

How many here have never heard of an escort, hooker, SP, prostitute, floozy, 'Lady of the night', strumpet or courtesan being murdered?

How many have heard of the prostitutes who caused Spitzer & Swaggart to step down?

The gals Spitzer was seeing from the Emperors Club VIP, charged as much as $5,500 an hour.
Some claim these escort agencies were paid from the travel expenses of Spitzer & many other politicians, businessmen & civic leaders.

So that means that Joe taxpayer is actually the one footing the bill for this.
hardly what I would call justice!


That lady's picture on the article - she looks souled out like an empty shell but good for her for changing things around.

Krustee I hear what you are saying about all the money spent. Some SP's may feel the same in that they have/had money but they no longer have the chance to have a family or children. I think that is the saddest thing. I don't feel sad myself but I do think that SP' s have to be very careful to take good care of themselves and not work too hard. It seems to block your spirit when all you do is work and it becomes a lifestyle - that's when vices come into play. I am no expert by any means and can't speak for all SP's; I am only speaking from my own personal experience:)
I appreciate your candor & being willing to say what so many SP's are afraid of saying or even becoming public knowledge, cuz they want their clients to think this is the best business in the world & that ALL escorts love their clients & just want to make them happy.

Truth is this is a business & I am willing to hand out the title of my home to anyone who prove otherwise.

I challenge any guy here to tell his SP the next time he talks to her that she should give him a "freebie" because he has been such a good client.
You'll either get hung up on or slapped!

Most of these women would not give you the time of the day if you were not paying for their congeniality.

Ya wanna see how much they care?
Loan an escort $1000 & see how long it takes to get the money back!

After loaning money to those who absolutely begged me to help them - I've only been paid back once.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying all gals are like that I'm just saying that most are in my experience.

It does not matter how nice YOU are ...
it matters how nice they are.

Maybe it doesn't make sense... but I have worked in the industry consistently for the last 4 years. Prior, I have worked off and on since age 17.
So far, I remain unscathed. I have retired for long periods, and have a regular vocation. I've never been in a position where I have HAD to remain in the industry.
One of the reasons is that I do enjoy it.

So it's possible to be unscathed, and enjoy this work. Some of it is up to chance, and some of it is playing safer.

Some of the girls I know who have been around a long time (or are retired), are also unscathed. Many of us don't harbor addictions (other than a sweet tooth lol).

I won't lie and say that my relationships aren't affected. I could not date and be an escort - it is rare that one should find a gentlement that is secure enough to be able to be comfortable with "sharing me". I am ok with this though, as dating isn't for me at the moment :)

Although I do have friends outside of the industry, I now find myself gravitating to other escorts.... as the facade when meeting "squares" can get exhausting. It's nice to be able to have associates to talk to, and takes away some of the burden of lying to family!
It is rare indeed Odette that a gal has her head on well enough to survive the occasional trying times in this industry.

I agree with you that there is chance & choice that affects the outcome for a provider.
As you say, "playing it safer" is what makes the difference in my opinion.

Some gals take this to the extreme & others do not take it serious enough or at all.
It just adds to the risk you are placing yourself in when you do not make intelligent choices on who you see & how you ply your trade.

there are goodplumbers and bad plumbers, good salespeople and poor sales people, good polititians and rotten polititians. SPs are no different. Some love what they do and some hate it. Everyone makes choices about what they will and will not do and how they will or will not do it. The real difference between all other professions and SPs is how the profession is viewed by housewife prostitutes who view honest working girls as competition. That leads to all kinds of political and religious persecution. What most housewives fail to understand is that without SPs to relieve the pressure, the divorce rate would skyrocket.
Wow sailor, you sound like an authority here.

I don't think divorce rates would skyrocket personally.

Let's keep in mind that while the men are cheating on their wives, in this day & age you have a lot of the wives cheating on their husbands too.

Being faithful to your spouse seems to be some kind of fairy tale to the "Y" generation.

As for an escort being like any other occupation I seriously think you are oversimplifying things.

What other occupation do you know of where you are being paid to fuck or suck somebody?

Do you not think that kinda thing is just a wee bit more personal than some greasy guy turning a wrench on your car or a nurse sticking a thermometer up your ass?

Isn't spraying your jizz all over the face of some SP a bit more personal than being a bank teller or shaking hands during an election campaign like politicians? (or "polititians")

I dunno man ...
seems to me the sex trade really has no easily comparable occupation.

Like I have said before, you are selling something that was never meant to be sold.

Human intimacy is a gift it's not a commodity!

If you gotta bust a nut then go for it but let's not make out like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread!

Making love to the person you love is the greatest thing there is.

Busting your nut in some stranger you had to pay is just hedonism with a price tag.


I meet a lot of nurses on disability, mostly for mental stress. That is one stressful job. Sometimes they are asked to do or not to do things and it goes against their conscience. They are often poorly treated by both doctors and patients. I don't see any Christian groups agonizing over these women who now live on disability and not very well btw.

The reality is these groups hate prostitutes. They think we are dirty. They wouldn't care if we all died right now, just so long as we didn't do it inconveniently in their neighbourhood. They don't wanna save us. They wanna get rid of us.

Oh, and the young women they offer up as reformed prostitutes, really? How do we know they were anything more than party whores at their local high school.
Like I said above, there is no equal to the sex trade.

Nurses do sometimes have a rough row to hoe but I also have seen them be incredibly lazy!
You should see some video shot of nurses ignoring patients as they gossip with one another & socialize when they are supposed to be working.

Nurses are not immune from the "lazy gene".

I've seen some go through a rough time but I've also seen how rewarding that job can be when practiced by a person who shows they care about their patients.

As for your assumption that Christians just want to kill & get rid of prostitutes ...
THAT'S RIDICULOUS!

I know many Christian folks who genuinely care about those they try to help & not only would but sometimes do give the shirts off their back to help!

I can certainly imagine a wife, who may or may not be Christian, being upset enough to want you dead if she found out her husband was fucking you though.

I guess you would not mind at all if you found the reason your husband stopped having sex with you is because he was sleeping with a paid provider eh?

I especially can see how understanding you would be when you found out he spent the money you needed to buy school clothes for the kids on a hooker - right ...
you would be understanding of his needs wouldn't you?



That is all


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hedgeman

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I'm surprised no one has said who the woman in the original post is....do you know? I do...she was a well reviewed on here sp....
 

Bad Santa

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BS, you should realize that I am no novice to this hobby.

I have participated in it more than 15 years now.

I have seen incredible cruelty.
I have seen the lowest of the low, people who were mere shells of a human being out selling their bodies on Hastings.
Krustee, I've participated for over 31 years and I've seen some of the "cruelty" you describe, especially in my early years in the 80's when I saw mostly SWs. But not one of these women was a mere shell, they were all very human.

I've been ripped off more times than I can count & when I first started it was a hard lesson I learned about the "Seymour Girls" & their masterful art of the "upsell".

Prior to starting this hobby I generally believed you could look at a person & tell whether or not they were honest & you could take them at their word.

Time & experience has taught me that gals in the escort business are among the most skilled swindlers in the world!

For many of them the word scruples is not even in their vocabulary.

Many of you will say well Krustee it's all your fault that you get ripped off.

Not true!
I started out very nice & naive & was taken advantage of for a couple years before I started to harden.

Once I became a bit more savvy what to look for with a provider my "luck" seemed to change.

What is it that makes some of these gals lower themselves to blatant theft & swindling of clients?
I have found an abundance of swindlers and charlatans in virtually every profession I have ever dealt with, I really don't think there are any more among SPs than the rest of society. I have my guard up with anyone I meet, not just SPs. Anyone and everyone has to earn my trust.

Truth is this is a business & I am willing to hand out the title of my home to anyone who prove otherwise.

I challenge any guy here to tell his SP the next time he talks to her that she should give him a "freebie" because he has been such a good client.
You'll either get hung up on or slapped!

Most of these women would not give you the time of the day if you were not paying for their congeniality.
Duh, of course it's a business and as in any other, the bottom line is money. Any lady who hands out "freebies" won't last long in this or any other business!

I dunno man ...
seems to me the sex trade really has no easily comparable occupation.

Like I have said before, you are selling something that was never meant to be sold.
Oh c'mon Krustee, who's being naive now? Sex has always been sold in one way or another. It's a simple fact of life!

If you gotta bust a nut then go for it but let's not make out like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread!

Making love to the person you love is the greatest thing there is.

Busting your nut in some stranger you had to pay is just hedonism with a price tag.
Now ya got it. But I think that for most pooners that hedonism is so much fun the vast majority of the time that we just can't stay away from it. And for many of the ladies it is a very lucrative job that can be enjoyed by many. Most of the indys for example have more money and free time than the majority of the population enjoys in their "straight" jobs.

You really have to lighten up Krustee. Yes you've been ripped off, but who hasn't been?
Just as an SP with a chip on her shoulder can probably never learn to enjoy her work and should probably quit, if you can't get rid of the chip on your shoulder you should probably quit pooning.

But maybe you really are addicted to it. To really thoroughly hate this pastime and still be addicted to it, that is sad.

I have to admit, I am addicted to it. But I've learned to love my addiction and I'm much happier for it! Life's too short to allow it to be so sad Krustee. Believe me, I've been right where you are now, I couldn't stop, I got depressed about it and I finally said, "fuck it!" Life's too short and I'm just going to enjoy it. Change your attitude and the world won't seem so sad anymore!
 

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well i for one have seen this lady and im sure lots of u know who she was. STUNNING, maybe she getting older and looking to make some cash as she doesnt feel like sleeping with hundreds of men anymore or cant command what she used to but give me a break when u say she is just doing it to get a piece of the cash pie. thats what it is all about and everyone of u SP's know it. If u think not and u do it just cuz u like it why dont a few of u offer a week of freebies then. Right, maybe all her stats arent correct or maybe they are, regardless all u SP's know it all happens. Bottom line is she is bringing aweness to the problems with the industry which is a good thing. Lookin forward to one of those free sessions soon.
 
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