Interested in being a "travelling hobbyist"? Let me encourage you!

[uncleg]

A thought......................

Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, as it is in most of the Asian countries you are advocating your fellow "pooner's should be travelling to. In essence you are urging them to go and commit crimes in these countries. Section 22 of the CCC makes it an offence to counsel the commission of a crime and if the crime is committed, makes you a party to the crime, present or not.

Does this make you an offensive person or just a criminal waiting to be caught ?

 

[Elmore]

A thought......................

Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, as it is in most of the Asian countries you are advocating your fellow "pooner's should be travelling to. In essence you are urging them to go and commit crimes in these countries. Section 22 of the CCC makes it an offence to counsel the commission of a crime and if the crime is committed, makes you a party to the crime, present or not.

Does this make you an offensive person or just a criminal waiting to be caught ?

This coming from someone posting here on perb?
We all know prostitution is legal here in Canada but we also know it isn't reeaaallllly legal.

 

[uncleg]

This coming from someone posting here on perb?
We all know prostitution is legal here in Canada but we also know it isn't reeaaallllly legal.

.............reeaaalllllly.........how so ? Oh, if you answer I don't want to hear about the bawdy house issues, or communication or the etc........... The exchange of money for sexual services is perfectly legal and just because there may be impediments to reaching that goal, those impediments in and of themselves do not make prostitution illegal. So, please explain, how is it not reeaaalllllly legal

 

[lenny]

A thought......................

Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, as it is in most of the Asian countries you are advocating your fellow "pooner's should be travelling to. In essence you are urging them to go and commit crimes in these countries. Section 22 of the CCC makes it an offence to counsel the commission of a crime and if the crime is committed, makes you a party to the crime, present or not.

Does this make you an offensive person or just a criminal waiting to be caught ?

Another thought...

1. Is it Asian countries or developing nations that were spoken of? In which ones is prostitution illegal? Did anyone say, go to those that are illegal and break the law?

2. Illegal in Thailand? I'll be looking forward to your attempt to support that claim from Thai legal documents.

3. I'd also be interested if you could show me a single case in all history where a person was charged as a john for paying an adult prostitute for her sexual services in Thailand. If not, then what does that say about what the whole world knows is the situation there?

4. What's the law re incalls, outcalls of single independent SP's and MP's in Canada? Are the many references on PERB in support of these things technicly illegal? Why is payment spoken of as a donation for time spent together rather than earnings for sexual services supplied? Why speak of payment as being xx instead of $200?

5. If communicating for the purposes of prostitution is illegal, then is PERB illegal?

6. Do you also object to the many PERB threads discussing hobbying in Europe, the USA (where it's illegal), and other parts of the world?

 

[uncleg]

Another thought...

1. Is it Asian countries or developing nations that were spoken of? In which ones is prostitution illegal? Did anyone say, go to those that are illegal and break the law?

2. Illegal in Thailand? I'll be looking forward to your attempt to support that claim from Thai legal documents.

3. I'd also be interested if you could show me a single case in all history where a person was charged as a john for paying an adult prostitute for her sexual services in Thailand. If not, then what does that say about what the whole world knows is the situation there?

4. What's the law re incalls, outcalls of single independent SP's and MP's in Canada? Are the many references on PERB in support of these things technicly illegal? Why is payment spoken of as a donation for time spent together rather than earnings for sexual services supplied? Why speak of payment as being xx instead of $200?

5. If communicating for the purposes of prostitution is illegal, then is PERB illegal?

1. Since a lot of the worlds developing nations are in Asia, let's bundle them. Prostitution is illegal in all of them. Did anybody (OP) specify a country and say go break the law, no. However, he is encouraging people to go visit the countries, and states that sampling the locals is the cherry on the icing. That falls under Canadian law.

2. Illegal in Thailand, yes. Supporting it from Thai legal documents, not likely since I don't speak or read the language and I.m not interested in spending the time to chase it down just for your sake. Therefore, an old standby....http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...QZVjJSu-7i5E5wNxA&sig2=LvML3gGvFdvzfxjh4BdWzw

3. Can't say as that anybody has been charged, but that does not mean they can't be. What does it say about the world, it says they are minding their own business though not entirely. You'll note the prostitution laws in Thailand were written in response to UN/world pressure.

4 & 5 have been discussed on this forum ad nauseum. Though based on question 5 it seems you haven't read any of the various threads or you're totally clueless as to what they said.

 

[lenny]

6. Do you also object to the many PERB threads discussing hobbying in Europe, the USA (where it's illegal), and other parts of the world?

 

[lenny]

7. In light of your comments how do you feel about SP's on PERB who advertize and discuss travel to the USA (where sex work is illegal) for the purpose of committing illegal acts there? Is PERB complicit in this?

 

[yazoo]

I'm sorry but when is the last time you saw a beer bellied trucker in the DTES? And I have yet to see 15yr olds working there...and I spend a lot of time cycling in that area. PS it's called meth, not ice.

Sorry, this about stuff two pages back, but I was away for a while....

Ice and meth are the same thing. From wikipedia...

Methamphetamine (USAN) (*/ˌmɛθæmˈfɛtəmiːn/), also known as metamfetamine (INN),[2] meth, ice, speed, crystal, glass, tik, N-methylamphetamine, methylamphetamine, and desoxyephedrine, is a psychostimulant of the phenethylamine and amphetamine class of psychoactive drugs.

And yeah, I used to live down there. I've seen girls that look awfully young walking the streets. I've walked home right by them as they shiver in the rain. And I know people who work at the port. I'm told there's always stuff going on at night.

I realize that depending on what people tell me is kinda like just spouting off on what I read on the internet, but if I'm wrong, it won't be the first piece of info on this thread to be incorrect.

 

[lenny]

1. Since a lot of the worlds developing nations are in Asia, let's bundle them. Prostitution is illegal in all of them. Did anybody (OP) specify a country and say go break the law, no. However, he is encouraging people to go visit the countries, and states that sampling the locals is the cherry on the icing. That falls under Canadian law.

No, you're wrong, prostitution is not illegal in all the developing nations of Asia.

Also the thread title of this topic speaks of encouragement & travelling hobbyism, without mentioning any specific continents or countries.

Moreover, the OP didn’t suggest pooning everywhere. It seems common sense he would not recommend people do it in places where it is both illegal and one may experience harsh sentences, such as the death penalty:

“The punishment for prostitution varies considerably: in some countries, it can incur the death penalty,[1] in other jurisdictions, it is a crime punishable with a prison sentence, while in others it is a lesser administrative offense punishable only with a fine.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulated_prostitution

Prostitution legal, but procuring illegal

In these countries, there is no specific law prohibiting the exchange of sex for money, but in general most forms of procuring are illegal. These countries also generally have laws against soliciting in a public place (e.g., a street) or advertising prostitution, making it difficult to engage in prostitution without breaking any law.

Africa: Burkina Faso,[hr 32] Central African Republic,[hr 33] Cote d'Ivoire,[hr 34] Ethiopia,[hr 35] Madagascar,[hr 36] Malawi,[hr 37] Sierra Leone.[52]

Asia: Hong Kong,[hr 38] India,[hr 39] Israel, Kazakhstan,[53] Kyrgyzstan,[54] Macau,[hr 40] Singapore, Timor-Leste.[hr 41]

Europe: Armenia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Republic of Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia,[55] Spain, United Kingdom

North America: Belize, Canada,[hr 42] Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua.

Oceania: Australia (in western states and Tasmania, see Prostitution in Australia), Kiribati,[hr 43] Tonga.[hr 44]

South America: Argentina, Brazil, Chile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulated_prostitution


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country#List_of_developing_economies

So, according to the above, the list of developing countries in Asia where prostitution is legal includes India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Timor-Leste. I expect other continents have developing nations where sex work is also legal.

However, he is encouraging people to go visit the countries, and states that sampling the locals is the cherry on the icing. That falls under Canadian law.

That could apply to all the threads discussing travelling hobbyism on PERB, TERB, MERB and other such forums for many years now. And you just thought of this? I'm sure the popo are knocking on Fred Zed's door as we speak!

 

[lenny]

However, he is encouraging people to go visit the countries, and states that sampling the locals is the cherry on the icing. That falls under Canadian law.

Does it?

Canadian law says adult prostitution is legal. Sex tourists from other countries are welcome here. So why would Canada be interested in charging Canadians who enjoyed adult prostitutes in another country, regardless of the laws in the other country?

I see no reason why Canadian prosecutors would want to charge anyone who confessed to doing it or merely spoke positively about it, which could be taken as encouraging others to do so.

Section 22, as follows, says nothing about activities in other countries that are legal in Canada. So why should I think it applies as you imply? Do you think when it speaks of "offence" it is talking about Canadian laws or the law in Bumfuck, Thailand?

Do you fancy yourself as a lawyer?

http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/cc/cc.22.html

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PERSON COUNSELLING OFFENCE

... / Idem / Definition of "counsel".

22. (1) Where a person counsels another person to be a party to an offence and that other person is afterwards a party to that offence, the person who counselled is a party to that offence, notwithstanding that the offence was committed in a way different from that which was counselled.

(2) Every one who counsels another person to be a party to an offence is a party to every offence that the other commits in consequence of the counselling that the person who counselled knew or ought to have known was likely to be committed in consequence of the counselling.

(3) For the purposes of this Act, "counsel" includes procure, solicit or incite. [R.S., c.C-34, s.22; R.S.C. 1985, c.27 (1st Supp.), s.7(1).]

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"Sparks 'Amateur Hour' "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08DFrY4ig_c

 

[tantalizeme]

Thanks for raising an excellent point

A thought......................

Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, as it is in most of the Asian countries you are advocating your fellow "pooner's should be travelling to. In essence you are urging them to go and commit crimes in these countries. Section 22 of the CCC makes it an offence to counsel the commission of a crime and if the crime is committed, makes you a party to the crime, present or not.

Does this make you an offensive person or just a criminal waiting to be caught ?

Hey uncleg,

Appreciate your concern for keeping me out of jail. Your frequent but laudably concise posts have not escaped my notice.

You're 100% right, brother: any stable society requires respect for law—though surely, this cannot mean mindless respect for just any law?

If a law allows mowing down peaceful protesters, or amputating baby girls' clitoris, or gassing Jews in concentration camps, or persecuting homosexuals, I'm sure a bright person like you would advocate disobeying such laws.

Now I don't see why a law that oppresses responsible non-monogamists isn't every bit as morally wrong as a law that oppresses our gay brothers. Given that sexuality goes to the heart of a person's happiness, any law restricting sexual activities among consenting adults seems to me a massive violation of fundamental human rights.

But only with help of sex workers, both locally and overseas, can many men in this world hope to maintain a healthy sex life. (This is forcefully argued, for example, in Catherine Hakim's book Sexual Capital, which you might want to read: http://www.catherinehakim.org)

Laws against sex work are usually outdated, hypocritical remnants of religious taboos (or sex-negative feminist agitation) and, in non-Islamic Asian countries, almost never enforced. Even Muslim men come to places like Thailand in droves.

That's why, upon reflection, I'm sure you'll agree: we have a duty to resist grossly immoral laws that restrict men from seeking out sex workers.

For a sex-loving, morally responsible individual, being held back by anti-sex-work laws from seeking out overseas SPs for mutually beneficial trysts would be sheer lunacy.

 

[Sonny]

I wouldn't say he looks like Brad Pitt, more like the young James Bond played by Sean Connery. He's very fit and attractive and I can imagine he would turn a few heads here in Van and in the crowds overseas. Since I've actually met the man ...

Sean Connery is one of my favourite actors. Comparison with him is almost sacrilege. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery

Responding to page 14, post #206 of this monster thread, a few corrections are in order. Nothing leading to a recognizable identity here....

Sean Connery was 32 when he did James Bond in Dr. No; Tantalizeme has long expired that age.
Connery is 6'2" with a large muscular frame, capable of pummeling six gang members on a balcony. Tant is 5'10" with a frame that is a bit slight of average for that height.
Mr. Connery is a Scot; Tant is from a place that does not resemble Scotland.

If you stick with that Tant is "very fit and attractive", then that escapes the comparison with Sean, who was once described as an Adonis; and that statement would be probably true.

Happily, this post has nothing to do with the OP's subject nor with any of the other discussion in this thread. Quicksand.

 

[Elmore]

Sean Connery is one of my favourite actors. Comparison with him is almost sacrilege. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery

Responding to page 14, post #206 of this monster thread, a few corrections are in order. Nothing leading to a recognizable identity here....

Sean Connery was 32 when he did James Bond in Dr. No; Tantalizeme has long expired that age.
Connery is 6'2" with a large muscular frame, capable of pummeling six gang members on a balcony. Tant is 5'10" with a frame that is a bit slight of average for that height.
Mr. Connery is a Scot; Tant is from a place that does not resemble Scotland.

If you stick with that Tant is "very fit and attractive", then that escapes the comparison with Sean, who was once described as an Adonis; and that statement would be probably true.

Happily, this post has nothing to do with the OP's subject nor with any of the other discussion in this thread. Quicksand.

How do you know Tant is 5' 10" and somewhat slight built? It seems a few of you have done your homework on him.

 

[Sonny]

How do you know Tant is 5' 10" and somewhat slight built? It seems a few of you have done your homework on him.

Easy, Tant and I have separately gone to the same places visiting the same girls, twice occurring at same time, one going in and the other out... he has already plainly defined himself.

Just synchronicity, that's all folks.

I have no reason, interest or desire to do homework on, or to collect intel on, anyone on Perb or elsewhere.

I'm fine with anyone's freedom of opinion. Karma/vipaka is the final arbiter.

 

[tantalizeme]

ON MY RESEMBLANCE TO SEAN CONNERY (or: Pumping this thread up to 350)

Sean Connery is one of my favourite actors. Comparison with him is almost sacrilege. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery

Responding to page 14, post #206 of this monster thread, a few corrections are in order. Nothing leading to a recognizable identity here....

Sean Connery was 32 when he did James Bond in Dr. No; Tantalizeme has long expired that age.
Connery is 6'2" with a large muscular frame, capable of pummeling six gang members on a balcony. Tant is 5'10" with a frame that is a bit slight of average for that height.
Mr. Connery is a Scot; Tant is from a place that does not resemble Scotland.

If you stick with that Tant is "very fit and attractive", then that escapes the comparison with Sean, who was once described as an Adonis; and that statement would be probably true.

HA! I guess looks are subjective for SP's too eh? lol. I was also careful to be misleading with my description as I have no desire to be accused of sharing TMI about a client. I still say tant fits 'tall, dark and handsome'.

I adore Sean Connery since I was a kid continuing until now. I think he's extremely sexy - that movie he did with Catherine Zeta Jones made my panties wet!

Thanks for your creative embellishment of my looks, Ms Sarah. Must have been my squint that gave me a Sean Connery-like magnetism in your eyes?

I wasn't going to draw attention to your comparison.

But now that my pooning hero Sonny took it upon himself to save posterity from an awful misconception about tantalizeme's resemblance to Sean Connery, I say: let's not perpetuate any myths.

I'm committed to ruthless honesty. Even brother Sonny gives me far too much credit.

Like so many older lechers that resort to SPs—and possibly even Sonny himself—I've long been fighting on the losing end in the battle of the bulge. I've only my undisciplined eating habits to blame, like fondness for beer.

But I'm entirely blameless when it comes to my moderate dwarfism; I point the finger at bad genes.

Hardly worth mentioning is the limp I have, due to a skiing accident years ago. And pimples seem to love me and often sprout in the most embarrassing spots.

I also confess to being told recently, by one of my favorite SPs, "Your halitosis is not nearly as bad as it used to be...but why don't you trim the hair growing out of your nose and ears?" I should definitely look into this eventually.

None of these minor flaws affect my sexual prowess, though lately my soldier has been a little temperamental.

Hope this sets the record straight.

Though alleging any resemblance to Sean Connery stretches the truth, I daresay at least 1 adjective in Ms Sarah's statement "tant fits 'tall, dark and handsome'" describes me pretty well—my colored hair is definitely dark.

And it's often minor imperfections that make someone's looks fascinating.

 

[lenny]

2. Illegal in Thailand, yes. Supporting it from Thai legal documents, not likely since I don`t speak or read the language and I.m not interested in spending the time to chase it down just for your sake. Therefore, an old standby....http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...QZVjJSu-7i5E5wNxA&sig2=LvML3gGvFdvzfxjh4BdWzw

Here you have the full text of the law in English, the relevant sections being #`s 5 & 6:

http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm

Here is what an earlier version of the same Wikipedia article stated:

"The "Entertainment Places Act of 1966" is one of the modern laws regulating massage parlors, go-go bars, karaoke bars, bathhouses and similar establishments. Under this law such establishments are required to be licensed. The law does not expressedly permit prostitution, but allows for "service providers" and "bath service providers," differentiated from regular, non-sexual service staff.[8] For example, there are massage parlors where men come and look at women, who are sitting separated by a glass wall (known as a "fishbowl"), and may choose whom they want. The women go to a room where they bathe and massage the customers, but in reality may do much more than that. It is left for the customer to decide what kind of "special service" he really wants, and because of this, such establishments are able to avoid being designated as illegal brothels.[citation needed]…

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B.E. 2539 (1996)[11] (the “Prostitution Law”), is the central legal framework prohibiting prostitution. The law defines prostitution as any act done to gratify the sexual desire of another in exchange for money or any other benefit, but only if it is done “in a promiscuous manner”. The Prostitution Law does not define what exactly a “promiscuous manner” constitutes, and the act of prostitution by itself is not outlawed anymore, while solicitation is. The crime of solicitation is vaguely defined. A “John” soliciting the services of a prostitute is liable under the Prostitution Law only if the solicitation is done “openly and shamelessly or causes a nuisance to the public”, the penalty being a fine of up to 1,000 baht.[9]"

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Prostitution_in_Thailand#cite_note-8

Methinks they got it right earlier as quoted above. BTW, the "talk", i.e. discussion, page of the issue of legality occurs here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:P...in_Thailand_needs_to_be_backed_by_a_reference

3. Can`t say as that anybody has been charged, but that does not mean they can`t be.

Likewise the sun may not cum up tomorrow. Do you want to wager it won`t, after many millions of occurences in a row that no one has been charged, including cases where the guy admitted to the cops to being with an adult prostitute? One would have to be as "on the ball" as this guy to get arrested for prostitution in Thailand:

http://www.pattayamail.com/localnew...efund-from-underage-prostitute-12962?ref=pmci

4 & 5 have been discussed on this forum ad nauseum. Though based on question 5 it seems you haven`t read any of the various threads or you`re totally clueless as to what they said.

According to recent discussions, if you wish to stay within the law in Canada re prostitution:

"Don`t solicit in public, stick to outcalls to your location, and don`t pay anyone but the lady directly. Bob`s your uncle."

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?403259-Legality-of-escort-services

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?403383-How-can-you-see-an-SP-without-breaking-any-laws

In Thailand, OTOH, there is no such thing as street undercover stings of johns and public solicitation is only a crime if it is done "in an open and shameless manner" (section 5 of Thai law, above).

 

[blazejowski]

Holy Christ, is this thread *still* going????

 

[lenny]

Why don't you go to Africa?

Why do Western guys prefer SE Asia to Africa for tourism prostitution?

http://www.orientexpat.com/forum/19...r-se-asia-to-africa-for-tourism-prostitution/



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Toto – Africa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCca5mPMp9A&feature=related



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Thai women rise fastest in corporate world

Published: 8/03/2011 at 03:26 AM Newspaper section: Business

Thailand ranks first in providing opportunities for women to climb the corporate ladder, according to the latest survey by consulting firm Grant Thornton.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/05/yingluck-shinawatra-thailand-female-pm

In the 2011 Grant Thornton International Business Report, Thailand boasts the greatest percentage of women in senior roles at 45%, followed by Georgia (40%), Russia (36%), Hong Kong and the Philippines (both 35%).

Countries with the lowest percentages are India, the United Arab Emirates and Japan, where fewer than 10% of senior positions are held by women.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/economics/225389/thai-women-rise-fastest-in-corporate-world

Women are also likely to play an increasing role as leaders. According to the survey by Grant Thornton in 2011, the share of women in Thailand who are in a senior management position is as high as 45%, the highest in the world (see Figure 27). This is mainly on account of women’s higher educational attainment. There are now more women than men with vocational and university education in the labor force, a different trend from the past of which the share between men and women with higher education was about the same (see Figure 28).

http://www.scb.co.th/eic/doc/en/insight/SCB Insight April 2011_Eng.pdf

 

[vpofkuba]

In Thailand the cheapest I noticed was 500 baht ($16.00) from a Pattaya beach rd freelancer.

Check out http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/PattayaSoi6.htm

When I went to Soi 6 at one of the bars you could ask the girl for a "sample". She would give you a BBBJ in the corner of the dark bar and if you didn't cum you didn't need to pay anything but if you did you paid the same rate as if you went upstairs.

 

[GimmeT&A]

Hello everyone
This is an interesting thread and my comments are as follows:
- i have traveled in the Canada/USA/UK/Argentina and have found SPs. Some very expensive and some cheaper in Argentina but still very beautiful

I would in the future probably see an SP while travelling in places like Europe, USA, South America, and of course montreal and las Vegas. I dont agree with south east Asia due to the circumstances over there and i frankly dont find the women attractive.

I travel lot so treating myself while on the go can be really nice. given that i am usually staying in 5 star hotel and it can be fun when your away from home. However my seeing SPs starting here at home in Vancity and i have respect for my Vancity SPs. and Vancouver is great place to enjoy SPs. I agree that sometimes you can have bad experence no matter if you pay $500 per hour or $100per hour but you also could have a very memorable experience. which i have had as well here in Vancouver and abroad.
So yes I do and would in the future see an SP when travelling and usual find them thru internet forums. I prefer indys or spend a night a strip club and sometimes you get a number of stripper who you can take out the next night.
If i am going to see an SP it is with some Class and i nice location. Oh and the Sp better be as close to 10 as possible.
And i agree with the comment before by another member that you need to try to make the connection. be friendly and kind. and your SP will be the same back. after all you want to enjoy the time your dishing out for.
Happy Pooning!