Who the f*ck cares? No matter what system is implemented, someone's gonna find a way to cheat it.
It's expensive enought to raise a family, it is asinine to tax children's clothing.
HST - how are you planning to vote?
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Who the f*ck cares? No matter what system is implemented, someone's gonna find a way to cheat it.
It's expensive enought to raise a family, it is asinine to tax children's clothing.
Since all services are now HST-applicable I think all the avid HST supporters here should do the honourable thing and add the HST to all sexual services they receive (before adding a tip, of course).
After all, isn't the whole objective to help the BC economy?
PS - in an article supporting the HST in The Sun Stockwell Day said the HST was a provincial initiative, which I took to mean the Province approached Ottawa to implement it.
If true, the claim they had no idea before the election of bringing in the HST has been confirmed a lie by a federal Cabinet Minister, even though provincial documents pretty well confirmed it earlier.
After all, isn't the whole objective to help the BC economy?
PS - in an article supporting the HST in The Sun Stockwell Day said the HST was a provincial initiative, which I took to mean the Province approached Ottawa to implement it.
If true, the claim they had no idea before the election of bringing in the HST has been confirmed a lie by a federal Cabinet Minister, even though provincial documents pretty well confirmed it earlier.
Obviously, if the PST is ever re-introduced one would hope they could greatly simpify it. I can't for the life of me figure out why they have so many arcane rules and why they were ever necessary to begin with, just slap the PST on everything and the revenue will be higher it and will be simplier to administer, which is basically what they did when they introduced the HST.
Just like the health care argument is always framed as a "US system or our system" - it doesn't have to be.
Eliminating the HST doesn't mean we have to go back to the PST/GST system we had before. Modifications can be made to simplify, adjust and make it more workable and acceptable and less onerous.
And that's done by consulting with the people, not ramming something up our asses in the dark of night.
Eliminating the HST doesn't mean we have to go back to the PST/GST system we had before. Modifications can be made to simplify, adjust and make it more workable and acceptable and less onerous.
And that's done by consulting with the people, not ramming something up our asses in the dark of night.
I would gladly pay it as long as the SP can show me her HST registration number so I know that she won't be pocketing it instead.
You mean the way businesses are saving all that money but not passing on lower prices to consumers?
If they had consulted the people, properly explained the benefits of the HST, pointed out the many flaws of the PST and brought in the HST at 10%, would that have made any difference to you?
No it means I don't beleive the SP industry is very tax compliant.
Businesses have spent a lot of money implementing the HST which tends to wipe out those savings for the time being.
You seriously can't afford another $240.00 per year to do the right thing and vote yes to getting rid of this pos?
An extra $240.00 out of your pocket a year to send the Liberals a clear message.
There's a good reason why the Liberals have to rebuild their party nationally.
Their lying to us, and I for one (like many others) will pay the extra $240.00 per year and stand up for my beliefs about the kind of politicians I support.
Too bad people like you are weak.
And about that video link you posted Rancid - the guy (and obviously you too) completely misses the mark about why people don't support the HST. It's not about money. It's not about Gordon Campbell.
It's about what we as a society are willing to tolerate from our politicians.
And most people (thank god) understand the correlation and are willing to send a clear message to the Liberal party.
couple of creeps on the street corner this morning yapping about getting rid of the HST '...so that money would be put back into the system where it belongs...'
????WTF????
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????WTF????
:doh:You're an idiot.
This shouldn't be a political vote, you have elections for that, and if you want to vote the liberals out of power be my guest, but there's millions of dollars at sake here, perhaps far more, considering the federal government gave the province 1.8B as a reward for implementing the HST. I'm sure that's something that would have to get paid back of the HST is eliminated.
Add to that the fact that a significant amount of the Ministry of Finance is peared down, as a result of not having to collect the PST, and will now have to be reinstated if the HST goes down in flames, on top of that, the business community also spent a pile of money switching their bookkeeping systems and cash registers over, and the mere thought of changing all this simply to make a point, is pathetic.
This shouldn't be a political vote, you have elections for that, and if you want to vote the liberals out of power be my guest, but there's millions of dollars at sake here, perhaps far more, considering the federal government gave the province 1.8B as a reward for implementing the HST. I'm sure that's something that would have to get paid back of the HST is eliminated.
Add to that the fact that a significant amount of the Ministry of Finance is peared down, as a result of not having to collect the PST, and will now have to be reinstated if the HST goes down in flames, on top of that, the business community also spent a pile of money switching their bookkeeping systems and cash registers over, and the mere thought of changing all this simply to make a point, is pathetic.
"Wrecking the economy" is typical of the over the top hyperbole the pro HST side is making. Getting rid of the HST will no more hurt the economy than having the PST/GST did.
How did BC become such a top destination for investment all the years the HST didn't exist? Saying the elimination of the HST will stop investment is idiotic.
Businesses found the money to switch to the HST, so, with a year of savings it should be no problem to find money to switch back.
I have to laugh at the film industry saying how important it is. That one industry is probably more subsidised than any other in the province. If the HST is so helpful why do they need so many government handouts?
The constant bleat from op ed pieces and ads that the HST is 10% is so blatantly deceptive and desperate it would serve them right if it backfires. I'm sure not even aznboi or wilde would have chosen that tactic.
As I've stated before the principal of lying to get into office is the bigger issue. This is the only time in our lifetimes, probably where we can tell politicians we are fed up with them using fraud to get elected and we won't tolerate it. The Liberal party lied to get elected. THEY caused the mess, THEY caused the uncertainty, THEY hammered people just coming out of a recession, THEY increased the tax, so THEY should figure out how to fix it.
Saying it isn't political is letting them off the hook. It had EVERYTHING to do with politics because they lied about the HST knowing they would never get elected if they told people the truth.
Vote "yes" to eliminate the HST and develop a better system with proper consultation. keep the HST and we're stuck with it. Eliminating it is the only way to craft a better tax structure.
How did BC become such a top destination for investment all the years the HST didn't exist? Saying the elimination of the HST will stop investment is idiotic.
Businesses found the money to switch to the HST, so, with a year of savings it should be no problem to find money to switch back.
I have to laugh at the film industry saying how important it is. That one industry is probably more subsidised than any other in the province. If the HST is so helpful why do they need so many government handouts?
The constant bleat from op ed pieces and ads that the HST is 10% is so blatantly deceptive and desperate it would serve them right if it backfires. I'm sure not even aznboi or wilde would have chosen that tactic.
As I've stated before the principal of lying to get into office is the bigger issue. This is the only time in our lifetimes, probably where we can tell politicians we are fed up with them using fraud to get elected and we won't tolerate it. The Liberal party lied to get elected. THEY caused the mess, THEY caused the uncertainty, THEY hammered people just coming out of a recession, THEY increased the tax, so THEY should figure out how to fix it.
Saying it isn't political is letting them off the hook. It had EVERYTHING to do with politics because they lied about the HST knowing they would never get elected if they told people the truth.
Vote "yes" to eliminate the HST and develop a better system with proper consultation. keep the HST and we're stuck with it. Eliminating it is the only way to craft a better tax structure.
We no longer have elections to determine our provincial representatives in government? I'm out of town for a week and everything goes to hell in a hand basket!
Yeah! Let's screw those guys! Who cares how it affects the entire province!
Exactly! Maybe we can figure out some way of collecting the taxes more efficiently without duplicating bureacracies. Like, I don't know, maybe it would be great if only one level did the collecting... sort of like harmonizing the process... and maybe we could have the rate lowered so that we can pay less taxes. That'd be fantastic!
Great post. At least it appears that Cock Throppled has implicitly conceded that the PST is an inferior tax that has to be replaced.
My hope now is that those who are planning to vote YES will manage to botch the ballot in some way or get lost on the way to the mailbox...
The YES voters still have not come up with a way the government should tax us instead.
The only response was by Ingrid that she feels she pays enough tax already. I do too, by the way, but I also know that the with an aging population and more and more people avoiding income taxes, there is no putting my head in the sand. I choose to try to keep the lifestyle we have. I've watched the education system deteriorate so much already. I don't think it is wise to ignore the fact that it takes a lot of money to have what we have, and in order to keep it, we need to give more.
The only response was by Ingrid that she feels she pays enough tax already. I do too, by the way, but I also know that the with an aging population and more and more people avoiding income taxes, there is no putting my head in the sand. I choose to try to keep the lifestyle we have. I've watched the education system deteriorate so much already. I don't think it is wise to ignore the fact that it takes a lot of money to have what we have, and in order to keep it, we need to give more.
To all you people critical of Adriana's type of thinking and suggesting that this is not the time to voice their pleasure with the elected government...
HOW DO YOU DO THIS AT ELECTION TIME, WHEN ALL YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR VOTING DECISIONS IS THE PROMISES THE PARTIES GIVE YOU....AND THEN IT TURNS OUT THAT THE WINNING PARTY LIED TO YOU, AND GOT ELECTED IN WITH THESE LIES???
I agree with Adriana...I'm sick of governments continually, year after year, getting in on one platform, and then it turns out to be nothing but lies.
Fucking punish them. Now.
If this HST is a better tax (and I don't believe it is, and that video posted by the OP is a misleading bag of shit as well) then the government needs to do a better job of communicating this to the people and bloody well ensure it has a mandate to implement it.
Not if the there are many purchases that used to be PST exempt which are now taxed at a 12% flat HST across the board amount.
Not true. If the HST is removed its not like everything will be reversed retroactively. Besides, the liberals should have thought of that before
And your point??? At least any changes they make will be far more transparent this way.
You don't know this. And what "shortfall" are you referring too??? (I thought the pro-HST arguments were that this lowered overall taxes??)
And since the Liberals didn't run on a platform of raising taxes this makes their underhanded implementation of this tax especially criminal, and they would be under intense scrutiny if they tried to raise any taxes in the absence of the HST.
Shame on the Liberals for doing this. Too bad that business tends to blindly support the liberal party...this should make then think twice about having blind faith.
Uhhhh...not if the consumption tax being implemented costs more than the consumption tax being replaced.
No....what the liberals did by underhandedly implementing the HST should be political suicide. If it turns out that its not, it only proves that any government can manipulate its electorate with lies, deceit, and some time to make people forget their past misdeeds.
