How many of you are college/university educated?

[licks2nite]

Suppose that I know how to be alone. Neither of my parents graduated high-school. Both had full time jobs, both attended sporting events and my father in addition to his full time job often worked at part time jobs and eventually created his own part-time mechanical business. The term "day-care" was unheard of. Relatives lived thousands of kilometre away. No siblings.

Self taught in general science, languages, financing/investing and economics. About a year of traveling in Canada and Europe. (Probably the most profound thing that I learned in Europe was that just because you speak English you shouldn't expect anybody to assume that you're from either North America or Britain.) Military supervisory experience in more than one non-combat technical trade including a bit of instructing experience along with voluntary experience in FM radio broadcasting and motion picture projection. (Sadly, apart from the radio broadcasting which I had to take a civilian course to get a job, I couldn't use anything else I learned in the military in civilian jobs.) Driving experience as a cab driver and tried a motorcycle a couple of years before deciding that owning a motor vehicle was simply a bad investment anywhere in Greater Vancouver. Didn't graduate from university and took an A.A. diploma from a regional college with maths and a broad mix of both physical and social sciences/humanities. A second diploma in a building trade. In secondary school I majored in math, physics and industrial science but no languages.

 

[nightswhisper]

Fuck you and your college/university degree.
The trades make way more money now because you stuck up assholes’ with your arrogant family and friends have flooded the market with useless bachelors of ‘I’m an idiot with a save the bullshit’ degree. You now realized the importance of common sense and I actually need someone to fix your shit!! Guess what?!!! Us non university degree individuals now have the upper hand and you stuck up people will need all your money to pay us wonderful people to keep you in touch with society. I’ve been waiting for this since High School!!!!
I love karma !!!!

God my predicament is so terrible. How can I live with myself a while six tradesmen are putting in my new outdoor kitchen and in-ground jacuzzi for me as I sip on my Romanée Conti Montrachet white?

 

[nightswhisper]

Suppose that I know how to be alone. Neither of my parents graduated high-school. Both had full time jobs, both attended sporting events and my father in addition to his full time job often worked at part time jobs and eventually created his own part-time mechanical business. The term "day-care" was unheard of. Relatives lived thousands of kilometre away. No siblings.

Self taught in general science, languages, financing/investing and economics. About a year of traveling in Canada and Europe. (Probably the most profound thing that I learned in Europe was that just because you speak English you shouldn't expect anybody to assume that you're from either North America or Britain.) Military supervisory experience in more than one non-combat technical trade including a bit of instructing experience along with voluntary experience in FM radio broadcasting and motion picture projection. (Sadly, apart from the radio broadcasting which I had to take a civilian course to get a job, I couldn't use anything else I learned in the military in civilian jobs.) Driving experience as a cab driver and tried a motorcycle a couple of years before deciding that owning a motor vehicle was simply a bad investment anywhere in Greater Vancouver. Didn't graduate from university and took an A.A. diploma from a regional college with maths and a broad mix of both physical and social sciences/humanities. A second diploma in a building trade. In secondary school I majored in math, physics and industrial science but no languages.

It's not the education that makes of you, but what you make of the education. There are Ivy grads who serve coffee, and there are self-taught billionaires.

 

[oneoldone]

I slept with a college instructor once...

Did he leave a degree in the envelope.

 

[Madison.Belle]

I have my bachelors degree and am now in a professional university program. I love learning and would not take back the time I've spend working hard in school for anything! :strawberry:

 

[Fullhouse]

................., and there are self-taught billionaires.

I've been trying to teach myself to be a billionaire a number of times, but have failed each time.

I always wind up being short by approx. $999,997,250. ---------- Oh well, I think I'll try and teach myself to be a $5,000 man, and then work my way up from there.

 

[Addison Cortez]

I've been trying to teach myself to be a billionaire a number of times, but have failed each time.

I always wind up being short by approx. $999,997,250. ---------- Oh well, I think I'll try and teach myself to be a $5,000 man, and then work my way up from there.

Ditto!!!!! I think there’s a black hole in my savings account

 

[Fullhouse]

Ditto!!!!! I think there’s a black hole in my savings account

I also have a problem with my savings account.

I keep pumping a lot of money into White or Asian holes, which really plays havoc with my account balance.

 

[Discovery027]

Ya six tradesmen taking your money, going on awesome vacations and investing their hard earned money for retirement, while you guys need all the physiatrist money can buy to keep you sane!

 

[nightswhisper]

Ya six tradesmen taking your money, going on awesome vacations and investing their hard earned money for retirement, while you guys need all the physiatrist money can buy to keep you sane!

Inferiority complex.

 

[westwoody]

Neither of those trolls reflect any of the real journeymen I know or work with.
Apprenticeship requires mandatory classroom time and theory. A journeyman carpenter should be able to understand loads on structures, a journeyman electrician understands electrical theory and codes.
Building trades are much like university but with a more time spent in practicum. A nurse needs to practise inserting needles, an electrician needs to practice bending conduit. Even when on the job doing framing or roofing a carpenter is learning from his mentors.

The most successful journeymen I know are guys who have combined a trade with university. Two friends were carpenters and got degrees, they now have a multi million dollar homebuilding company. They needed the business training to take their home reno company to the next level. As carpenters they built garages and decks, now they have crews building two or three houses at a time.

 

[Addison Cortez]

Neither of those trolls reflect any of the real journeymen I know or work with.
Apprenticeship requires mandatory classroom time and theory. A journeyman carpenter should be able to understand loads on structures, a journeyman electrician understands electrical theory and codes.
Building trades are much like university but with a more time spent in practicum. A nurse needs to practise inserting needles, an electrician needs to practice bending conduit. Even when on the job doing framing or roofing a carpenter is learning from his mentors.

The most successful journeymen I know are guys who have combined a trade with university. Two friends were carpenters and got degrees, they now have a multi million dollar homebuilding company. They needed the business training to take their home reno company to the next level. As carpenters they built garages and decks, now they have crews building two or three houses at a time.

I like this post. Trades aren’t just hammers and nails. Architecture is fascinating to me but curtain walls blow my mellon. There’s actually a way to make a building, made of glass, safe from explosions.

Education is always important..

 

[Addison Cortez]

Neither of those trolls reflect any of the real journeymen I know or work with.
Apprenticeship requires mandatory classroom time and theory. A journeyman carpenter should be able to understand loads on structures, a journeyman electrician understands electrical theory and codes.
Building trades are much like university but with a more time spent in practicum. A nurse needs to practise inserting needles, an electrician needs to practice bending conduit. Even when on the job doing framing or roofing a carpenter is learning from his mentors.

The most successful journeymen I know are guys who have combined a trade with university. Two friends were carpenters and got degrees, they now have a multi million dollar homebuilding company. They needed the business training to take their home reno company to the next level. As carpenters they built garages and decks, now they have crews building two or three houses at a time.

I like this post. Trades aren’t just hammers and nails. Architecture is fascinating to me but curtain walls blow my mellon. There’s actually a way to make a building, made of glass, safe from explosions. Who’da thunkit

Education is always important

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

As a former educator, let me say this: what matters is not the education you have but the knowledge, experience, & skills that you can gain from it. The final ingredients are still innate: aptitude & talent. Can't be taught, can't be bought...

 

[abkb12]

I completed a technical 2 year program in 1 year. I have worked in engineering do design, programming, and cad. I used to do allot of work for the big 3. I was offered jobs in all of the big 3 but turned them down because I knew I would never be home. It got to a point that any time I went to any of the factories an engineer would have to give up there desk to give me a place to sit and work. I used to spend a quarter of my day in meetings going over what ever they wanted me to do. They would even have me help other contractors to get there jobs done.

 

[Aerts]

Neither of those trolls reflect any of the real journeymen I know or work with.
Apprenticeship requires mandatory classroom time and theory. A journeyman carpenter should be able to understand loads on structures, a journeyman electrician understands electrical theory and codes.
Building trades are much like university but with a more time spent in practicum. A nurse needs to practise inserting needles, an electrician needs to practice bending conduit. Even when on the job doing framing or roofing a carpenter is learning from his mentors.

The most successful journeymen I know are guys who have combined a trade with university. Two friends were carpenters and got degrees, they now have a multi million dollar homebuilding company. They needed the business training to take their home reno company to the next level. As carpenters they built garages and decks, now they have crews building two or three houses at a time.

I graduated BA with honours. Also a Journeyman steamfitter/pipefitter. The trades definitely don’t get the respect they deserve sometimes. There is a lot to the trades, particularly the higher you move up. I am a lifelong learner in general and respect all who work hard regardless of their education or training.

 

[Discovery027]

‘The daily wire’. On you tube, Episode 12, Mike Row says exactly how I feel. If you care to watch a 1hr show.
Pretty much sums up society today.

 

[Denzel1]

PHD in Sex Ed and DATY...Honors!

 

[Correct]

As a former educator, let me say this: what matters is not the education you have but the knowledge, experience, & skills that you can gain from it. The final ingredients are still innate: aptitude & talent. Can't be taught, can't be bought...

Making comments like the above one, shows that you are not only intelligent, but also balanced it with common sense, and clear vision of the world around you.
I do not have a Masters degree, but would like to think that I am reasonably smart, and possess some common sense and worldly wisdom. Oddly enough the smartest person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing has only a grade 7 education, but her level of intelligence makes me feel stupid. Someday I hope to gain the pleasure of your acquaintance Erica.

 

[Ghostwalker]

I got into Stanford to complete both an undergraduate and a graduate degree (JD). I was not that brilliant, in fact I was not brilliant at all ......a couple of cuts above average.....just maybe reasonably bright.....but both the teaching and my fellow students made me far more intelligent coming out of college then coming in. And but for two tours of duty in South East Asia, I could never have dreamed of getting admitted to any top-ranked school let alone obtaining the financial assistance to finish two degrees.

At the end of the day, while the knowledge and analytical skills I obtained in the course of my studies were of great value to me both professionally and personally, the huge dividend I got going to a tier-one school was humility.

The teaching faculty was first rate in every way as were most of the other students; even the students who got in on the basis of something other than their academic achievements or intellectual abilities. Ironically, until I went to University I never realized how astoundingly ignorant I really was about most things outside a war zone and I still retain a compelling appreciation of my own ignorance and intellectual limitation.

All that said, there is a multitude of people out there that are far more intelligent and even knowledgeable than me who never stepped foot on a college campus; to their credit, they self-educated. I am not sure I could ever do that at least to any meaningful degree. The bottom line is I am not so much proud of my college education as I feel blessed in having the opportunity that I had.

It was truly like winning the lottery.

As a PostScript contributing to this forum has become an unintended therapy season for me as I am home alone on New Years Eve feeling sorry for myself. By throwing in my two cents, more out of boredom than anything else, I truly realize how lucky I am. On that basis I hope I provided some modest value to the discussion and to all the readers a happy and healthy new year.