Here is the first Socialist salvo by the NDP....the "government that wants to help"

[storm rider]

Here is the first Socialist salvo by the NDP....the "government that wants to help"

VICTORIA - The B.C. government says it's planning to increase the provincial minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2021.

Labour Minister Harry Bains said Tuesday a fair wages commission will be established in the coming weeks to plan how to raise the rate without hurting businesses.

"I think what we are doing is going with a responsible, fair approach so that the businesses know that it's predictable, it's incremental increases going forward so they can look at their structure, their costs ahead of time and knowing fully well what their costs will be," he said.

A 50-cent increase announced by the previous Liberal government will go ahead as planned on Sept. 15, bringing the wage to $11.35 per hour, Bains said.

It will increase the wages of about 94,000 workers.

The minimum wage for liquor servers will also go up by 50 cents to $10.10 per hour and similar increases will be reflected in wages of live-in support workers and camp counsellors.

The NDP had campaigned in the May election to increase the minimum wage in B.C. to $15 per hour. After forming government, it agreed with the Green party to set up a commission that would oversee regular rate reviews.

Who will sit on the commission and its cost are still to be determined, Bains said.

Once the commission established, it will have 90 days to deliver it's first report to government on raising wages.

"They will be doing a consultation with all stakeholders and academics and they will find a pathway for us on how they can guide us to reach $15," Bains said.

Liberal Opposition labour critic John Martin called the 50-cent increase a "non-announcement" because the Liberals made the same commitment while in government.

Martin said in a news release that the NDP hadn't outlined a clear path for consultation in taking the province to a $15 minimum wage and that doesn't foster the investment needed to continue job creation.

"British Columbians cannot afford to roll the dice -- we should have the facts, first."

BC Chamber of Commerce president Val Litwin said while businesses are open to seeing wages reach $15, the four-year deadline the government has set is too soon.

"This is a significant increase," he said. "If we inflate wages too quickly and a business model can't absorb that spike in cost over a short period of time, the person that ultimately pays for it is the customer."

Litwin said the ministry's announcement for planned and responsible increases is promising and he wants to see consultations with the business community influence how those increases are carried out.

Alberta will be the first province to reach the $15 per hour rate next year, while Ontario plans to reach that rate in 2019.

"Just because they're doing it doesn't mean it's going to be done well," Litwin said, adding that studies out of the U.S. found increasing wages too quickly results in businesses reducing hours or cutting staff.

British Columbia has seen five increases to the minimum wage since 2011 after it was frozen at $8 for a decade under former premier Gordon Campbell.

Well first and foremost is the fact that business have a baseline with regards to costs and this includes wages and it also encompasses all operating costs such as rent/lease/WCB/insurance/benefits etc etc.All of the latter are easily predictable and controlled and accounted for.Throw in a jack to the minimum wage and who pays that cost.The customer of course and I have seen this in Alberta since the Notley lead NDP started down this ill chosen road.Oh yeah and combine it with the new Carbon Tax and yeas I have noticed price increases across the board for everything and the consumer ends up paying for it.

Is a greeter at Walmart worth $15 an hour with regards to that skill set?....not fucking likely....nor is a person that pours coffee at a Tim Hortons because they are baseline workers on the bottom rung of the ladder.At the same time this move to raise the "minimum wage" for the benefit of the downtrodden masses will of course spark the Public Sector to bark for a raise to the minimum wage paid to Public Sector workers accordingly and so on and so forth.

The benefits of making $15 an hour as a minimum wage will be sloughed over by not only the increased cost of living but also by the extra taxes they pay which will lead them nowwhere and not getting ahead in society.It is a form of wealth distribution that actually hurts the people more than it purports to help because of the jobs that will be cut because business will cut staff or reduce hours to make the profit line.This does not matter to the commie NDP as they have no fucking clue about running a business and they have an even smaller chance of a snowball living in hell when it comes down to economic math.

So many of you wanted the NDP in charge and back in Governance in BC.....well fucking LOL this is just the tip of the iceberg you wanted.

Welcome to the fun and for BC it is extra bonus fun as the NDP are being propped up by the GREEN Party who want consessions such as Proportional Representation.I seriously PITY the residents of BC as they are going to get so fucked over it is off the scale.In Alberta the next election comes in May 2019 with a Hustings and then the Notley lead NDP will chucked to the fucking gutter where those Socialist Destroyers belong.At least in Alberta we dont have a fringe party supporting the NDP that want to supplant Democracy with Participation Trophy Politics.

Enjoy the decline as well as the scandals and the Leftist Academics feeding like pigs at the trough at the tax payers expense because they "know what is best for you"

SR

SR

 

[susi]

so angry storm rider....maybe a hand job would help...

just joking!!

it does seem like the ndp have jumped the gun on this one...hopefully they will be more careful in the future.

love susie

 

[Wolfman_jack]

Try doing some research into minimum wages and their effects.

There is zero actual evidence that reasonable increases to minimum wage do anything other than grow local economies and jobs. Ample evidence supports reasonable minimum wages. A full time job should get someone to, if not above, the poverty line.

 

[Ray]

Is a greeter at Walmart worth $15 an hour with regards to that skill set?....not fucking likely....nor is a person that pours coffee at a Tim Hortons because they are baseline workers on the bottom rung of the ladder.At the same time this move to raise the "minimum wage" for the benefit of the downtrodden masses will of course spark the Public Sector to bark for a raise to the minimum wage paid to Public Sector workers accordingly and so on and so forth.

Australia's economy and society must be on the verge of collapse then.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-31/minimum-wage-how-does-australia-compare/7461794

You seem to hate socialism. Do you know what socialism is? Should we be closing down our public hospitals and schools, and privatizing everything? Cancel CPP and tell people to invest for their own retirement? Private police, fire and ambulance services?

 

[badbadboy]

The thing is, it's the small business owners who mostly hire lower or min wage workers are the one's who will mostly carry the burden for this increase. Sure Walmart, Safeway etc etc all hire min wage workers. The small business owners who are already taxed to death particularly in Vancouver because of high Vancouver taxes, high rents etc; will not be able to continue to fund these government mandated costs. It simply cuts into a bottom line to the point where they have to relocate elsewhere or just shut their doors.

$15 an hour, no matter how you toss it is a piss poor wage. Especially in Vancouver where I've heard restaurants have been unable to get line cooks for $20 an hour.

I'm not sure how the best method is to increase the low income wages. I do know small biz has really struggled over the past decade and there is not much more $ available that makes sense for them to continue.

 

[overdone]

You seem to hate socialism. Do you know what socialism is? Should we be closing down our public hospitals and schools, and privatizing everything? Cancel CPP and tell people to invest for their own retirement? Private police, fire and ambulance services?

how about some balance then

every gov't position you list, wages/pensions/benefits, most of the other 80% of society, can't even begin to dream about

and CPP's, you mean you didn't like RSP's which have been in existence since 1957? CPP wasn't invented until the mid 60's, by surprise, a LIBERAL (which wasn't set up properly, took 20yrs or so to do that)

we've gone from no social safety net to an overblown one, where the gov't is expected to be everything to everyone

which is being funded by DEBT

funny, it started when the baby boomers reached voting eligibility, around when the first piece of crap Trudeau started driving us into debt, for ideological/self serving reasons

are we all smarter/healthier/richer than I thought/see? :twitch:

BALANCE, like balanced bugets, live within your means

some socialism/some conservatism, hell even some commie if you want depending on the issue

but going to far in one direction doesn't work :amen:

 

[thegreatmikey]

Heh. Total socialist here. A higher minimum wage is nice, but I prefer the *sit down and take a stiff drink before you read these next words all you traditionalists. * "guaranteed income" model.

A dumbed down, over-simplified explanation is as follows.

We are entitled to life. As such, the requirements to live are food, clothing and shelter. A system would be put in place to make sure everyone gets enough money for food, clothing and shelter. If you want anything else (like an internet connection, to buy a comic book, whatever) you better get a job. When you retire you always have enough for food, clothing and shelter, plus some more based on what you contributed through your income taxes in your life with a cap on it. If you want more you better save some of what you make from your job. All medical expenses are covered for everyone.

Benefits: 1: all income assistance programs are rolled into one, making it cost sooo much less to administrate. 2: Employers better damned well learn to value their employees because they are not screwed if they quit. 3: People will be more likely to do what they want. Natural born labourers (like me) will labour. Entrepreneurs will start a business they love and not end up homeless if it fails. Artists will "art." Students don't have to go into serious debt to graduate from a course (maybe just moderate debt). Lazy slugs will subsist (and we will let them because now nobody is homeless unless they want to be). Aaaand warriors will join the army, criminals will join the police.

Problems: 1: Startup. NOBODY is ready for this. It will take years to implement AFTER years of figuring out a good system for it.. Even when ready there will be those who cannot accept it because of their viewpoints. So, yeah, conflict. 2: That 1 agency that runs it all that I mentioned? It'll be HUGE! Bureaucracy will be monstrous. 3: Oh gawd, the unanticipated stuff... 4: Business disruption. Because you KNOW corporations won't like it and won't know how to handle it.

Now keep in mind that I am super biased...

 

[romeochains]

The rise of that anger is centered squarely in a class divide as "Joe 6 pack" has watched his shot at the American dream disappear.

This is a key message. Canada needs to be more like Norway and less like the United States. We're a small country (population wise) with a boatload of natural resources. $15 an hour should be just the beginning. The pendulum is out of whack at the moment.

 

[MissingOne]

I think that, as automation takes over more and more jobs, we're going to have to move towards a guaranteed basic income. There just won't be ways for all those superfluous workers to make a living in the job market. Either society provides them with what they need to get by, or we have a violent revolution. We might get the revolution anyway, even if they have what they need. Boredom breeds trouble.

The leaders of ancient Rome understood this. They provided bread and circuses.

 

[Ray]

every gov't position you list, wages/pensions/benefits, most of the other 80% of society, can't even begin to dream about

There are a number of government jobs where one can make significantly more in the private sector. Anything that requires any level of skill or higher training/education. The only government jobs that seem to pay higher are the entry level jobs. There is also a cap on salaries in the government sector.

we've gone from no social safety net to an overblown one, where the gov't is expected to be everything to everyone

I don't believe we have an overblown safety net. There's still people starving in the streets. There's elderly who can't afford regular meals. The people at the bottom of the economic ladder continue to struggle.

are we all smarter/healthier/richer than I thought/see

The standard of living has never been higher than at the present time. More people are attaining post secondary education. People are living longer.

some socialism/some conservatism, hell even some commie if you want depending on the issue

I tend to be a fiscal conservative, a social liberal. But never a communist.

 

[take8easy]

I have a bit of socialism in me so I do not mind the minimum wage increase of $0.50. The inflation esp rents are ballooning beyond recognition so yea, a little increase is ok by me.

Being involved in a small business I can tell you that increase of about $4 over next four years would be nothing short of a disaster. Imagine an increase of approx $8320 per annum per employee ($4 x 80 hrs x 26 pay periods) . That could one month's net profit for a small mom and dad store!!!!!!!!!! What if the store hires three or four employees? Of course the small business will try to pass the cost on to the customers who in turn can go to a big box store and .....guess where I am going with this.

I know I voted NDP but seriously Mr Bains, give your head a shake. Being out of power for 16 years has certainly rusted the reasoning side of their brains.

 

[storm rider]

I have a bit of socialism in me so I do not mind the minimum wage increase of $0.50. The inflation esp rents are ballooning beyond recognition so yea, a little increase is ok by me.

Being involved in a small business I can tell you that increase of about $4 over next four years would be nothing short of a disaster. Imagine an increase of approx $8320 per annum per employee ($4 x 80 hrs x 26 pay periods) . That could one month's net profit for a small mom and dad store!!!!!!!!!! What if the store hires three or four employees? Of course the small business will try to pass the cost on to the customers who in turn can go to a big box store and .....guess where I am going with this.

I know I voted NDP but seriously Mr Bains, give your head a shake. Being out of power for 16 years has certainly rusted the reasoning side of their brains.

Ok now I have someone that admits they voted NDP.With regards to that do you know what the NDP's key party plank is aside from the whacked out fucked up nut job platform of the LEAP Manifesto????????The NDP's core value and lead plank in their manifesto is Wealth Re-Distribution which is the same thing the Commie Revolution did in 1918 in then Russia which became the United Soviet Socialist Republics.....and of course the Government Model of Communism FAILED in epic proportions.

If the NDP were to form a Majority Government Federally their first act would be to take away all assets from the "haves" to give them to the "have nots"...with them and their idealogues making the decisions about it....ultra left wing nut jobs like Naomi Klein and her ilk.Academics with no life experience and no work experiance nor any actual work ever with regards to contributing to Society.

One of the NDP hopefulls for the leadership race to replace Angry Tom(who is clinging to the leadership title as long as he can for the extra gravy it pays via tax payer money) was Nathan Cullen and his response to the statement of "It's MY money and I WORKED for it!" was "What a preposterous notion!" which of course backs up the mantra of the NDP and that is "we will take what we want and leave you some crumbs....get used to it because we KNOW what is best for YOU"

Last time I lived in North Vancouver in 1996 I did not make even $8 as a minimum wage it was less and I am glad I developed my skill set and found my niche in life so that I got paid a lot more and got on the property ladder.Last fucking thing I want is a bunch of Ivory Tower Socialists expropriating everything I have worked for and telling me "We know what is best for you" and then distributing it to welfare bums and all the while living the life of luxury on the backs of the people they purport to help.

Yeah I fucking HATE Socialists and anybody that would vote for the commie NDP to be willingly fucked over by them as they feed like pigs at the trough should not be allowed to participate in the electoral process.

SR