GFE false advertising rant
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I have never paid attention to the term GFE. I mean is it supposed to be a new girl friend, like a 4th date and you both are wearing your nice things, she's shaved her legs and you've trimmed the jewels? or a mid term girl friend where things are moving along to the point where you're watching netflix series together and eating that leftover soup that was so delicious the night before? or a long term girl friend where you actually get to hear her fart?
So how is an SP going to provide a real GFE if you haven't even met? Oh I get it that bringing a degree of intimacy into the mix may register as girl friend things and a lot of us want that in our encounters probably hope for it, but I think the original theme is how misleading the term is as there are implied expectations. I agree with the OP - the term has become meaningless. I for one don't look for it nor ask for it but I do get specific on some of the acts I would like and to me that takes away the vagueness. If there is then a dispute as to what I have agreed as far as service, at least then its already been called out.
So how is an SP going to provide a real GFE if you haven't even met? Oh I get it that bringing a degree of intimacy into the mix may register as girl friend things and a lot of us want that in our encounters probably hope for it, but I think the original theme is how misleading the term is as there are implied expectations. I agree with the OP - the term has become meaningless. I for one don't look for it nor ask for it but I do get specific on some of the acts I would like and to me that takes away the vagueness. If there is then a dispute as to what I have agreed as far as service, at least then its already been called out.
A good Rant always helps to get Things off your Chest ! ?
But, at the end of the Day it doesn't really change much .
Advertising is just that... it's to draw People's attention to your Product, or Service !
No different than a Car Maker advertising they have the best MPG .
What does that really mean ? This concern of what constitutes a GFE, has been raised before .
https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/how-do-you-define-“gfe”.247410/
It still comes down to doing your due diligence, and good Research !
PERB is your Consumer Reports for Punters, which helps You find a SP who matches your Expectations .
And even then, these Adventures are always YMMV, which can't be stressed enough .
I think Mona encapsulated the perceptions of a GFE rather well, in regards to professional Girlfriends .
With Valentine's Day coming up, the Hunt must be on ? ?
IMHO, and experience . A true GFE is more than just words...
Mr Q.
P.S. Passionate Kissing is key, for a GFE to Me personally ! ??
But, at the end of the Day it doesn't really change much .
Advertising is just that... it's to draw People's attention to your Product, or Service !
No different than a Car Maker advertising they have the best MPG .
What does that really mean ? This concern of what constitutes a GFE, has been raised before .
https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/how-do-you-define-“gfe”.247410/
It still comes down to doing your due diligence, and good Research !
PERB is your Consumer Reports for Punters, which helps You find a SP who matches your Expectations .
And even then, these Adventures are always YMMV, which can't be stressed enough .
I think Mona encapsulated the perceptions of a GFE rather well, in regards to professional Girlfriends .
https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/cbj-can-it-really-be-part-of-a-true-gfe.235896/
With Valentine's Day coming up, the Hunt must be on ? ?
IMHO, and experience . A true GFE is more than just words...
Mr Q.
P.S. Passionate Kissing is key, for a GFE to Me personally ! ??
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I agree with the OP.. I like using the classic definitions for service for GFE/PSE because it allows you to more simply advertise the collection of services you offer.. but lately when no one really uses the classic definitions I end up having to answer for all the acronyms over multiple extra texts/emails which is what I wanted to avoid by using these more discreet terms of GFE or PSE... It used to be that in a PSE Greek and CIM were a given but it doesn't seem to be that way anymore..
An old guy chiming in his 5 cents worth. Inflation right.
While I have only been enjoying this hobby for a little over a year and a half, a member here for about a year, chasing down all the acronyms at the beginning was at times confusing, a little frustrating at times and a whole lot of Hmmmm moments. In the beginning the GFE acronyms was a little confusing because the definition changed to some or all of what is written here so what do you believe. Without a "body" making a standardized rating system like the movie industry uses, and that will never happen, it is up to each person, SP and client alike to decide for themselves. Over my time here I have develop an introduction that I use to introduce myself to a potential SP. I include a name and some personal stat's so they have an idea of who I am, my physical appearance and fitness level. I also ask any questions about service upfront in this message in what I hope is a polite way. I hope this provides an opportunity for the SP to decided whether she wishes to take me on as a client. So unto the GFE acronym. For me it is more about personal intimacy. I have experienced that intimacy the moment my lover opens the door and steps out from behind it. Her smile, her body language. The tone of her voice. The look in her eyes that says come hither. These are the ladies I return to see again and in my limited experience the GFE only gets better. I have been greeted at the door with my lover wearing no makeup and sporting a house coat and had the best hour ever!
There is more to my thoughts on this topic but I don't wish to bore any one.
Thanks for reading.
While I have only been enjoying this hobby for a little over a year and a half, a member here for about a year, chasing down all the acronyms at the beginning was at times confusing, a little frustrating at times and a whole lot of Hmmmm moments. In the beginning the GFE acronyms was a little confusing because the definition changed to some or all of what is written here so what do you believe. Without a "body" making a standardized rating system like the movie industry uses, and that will never happen, it is up to each person, SP and client alike to decide for themselves. Over my time here I have develop an introduction that I use to introduce myself to a potential SP. I include a name and some personal stat's so they have an idea of who I am, my physical appearance and fitness level. I also ask any questions about service upfront in this message in what I hope is a polite way. I hope this provides an opportunity for the SP to decided whether she wishes to take me on as a client. So unto the GFE acronym. For me it is more about personal intimacy. I have experienced that intimacy the moment my lover opens the door and steps out from behind it. Her smile, her body language. The tone of her voice. The look in her eyes that says come hither. These are the ladies I return to see again and in my limited experience the GFE only gets better. I have been greeted at the door with my lover wearing no makeup and sporting a house coat and had the best hour ever!
There is more to my thoughts on this topic but I don't wish to bore any one.
Thanks for reading.
Didn't you hear guys? Girlfriends all over the country are giving their boyfriends blowjobs through a condom and are practicing kissing abstinence!
Thanks for the thoughtful replies, but some well-intentioned ones seems to be adding to the confusion rather than reducing it!
I get that a true "girlfriend experience" is impossible to quantify, which is why the "classic" definition (great term Riley Banks ? ) around the "holy trinity" of BBBJ, DATY & LFK/DFK was what I wished to propose as the "be it resolved" of this debate.
A lot of people weighing-in about tone, pace, rhythm, feeling, mood, the position of Mercury & Venus, the ambient barometric pressure, etc. are IMHO putting the cart before the donkey. How are you even going to judge the level of intimacy of the interaction if there is NO KISSING or if the natural explorations of each other's bodies which often leads to oral sex are stymied by either a I DON'T DO THAT or PUT THIS ON FIRST... and we are not talking about disrespecting anyone's boundaries here. Of course YMMV... but for this thread not to get lost in the weeds we need to be discussing something tangible.
The intention of original post was simply to vent frustration with certain opportunistic and cynical SPs on LL & TRYST who use GFE solely as a marketing term, and a dishonest one at that, when they have no intention of following through.
This, in no way, precludes any woman's right to refuse service if she has concerns about hygiene or safety. But this judgement-with-hindsight about whether an SP made you feel "special" being the litmus test for whether the experience qualifies as GFE or not is much too vague and only gives the dishonest SPs license to continue with their ruse on the grounds that the term is subjective.
My point is that the term has an objective meaning.
I get that a true "girlfriend experience" is impossible to quantify, which is why the "classic" definition (great term Riley Banks ? ) around the "holy trinity" of BBBJ, DATY & LFK/DFK was what I wished to propose as the "be it resolved" of this debate.
A lot of people weighing-in about tone, pace, rhythm, feeling, mood, the position of Mercury & Venus, the ambient barometric pressure, etc. are IMHO putting the cart before the donkey. How are you even going to judge the level of intimacy of the interaction if there is NO KISSING or if the natural explorations of each other's bodies which often leads to oral sex are stymied by either a I DON'T DO THAT or PUT THIS ON FIRST... and we are not talking about disrespecting anyone's boundaries here. Of course YMMV... but for this thread not to get lost in the weeds we need to be discussing something tangible.
The intention of original post was simply to vent frustration with certain opportunistic and cynical SPs on LL & TRYST who use GFE solely as a marketing term, and a dishonest one at that, when they have no intention of following through.
This, in no way, precludes any woman's right to refuse service if she has concerns about hygiene or safety. But this judgement-with-hindsight about whether an SP made you feel "special" being the litmus test for whether the experience qualifies as GFE or not is much too vague and only gives the dishonest SPs license to continue with their ruse on the grounds that the term is subjective.
My point is that the term has an objective meaning.
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I think Riley, and You may have solved this Dilemma .
The term Classic GFE or CGFE could be the objective definition We're all looking for, and any SP using this Term while not providing these expectations could be considered as falsely Advertising their Services !
Well done ! ? ??
I look forward to using "Classic GFE" in my future Reviews . That'll make expressing my Experience, so much easier than Blow by Blow details .
Mr Q.
Haha... awesome!
So you're proposing a new "new & improved" definition?
Somehow I started humming Roger Daltrey's line "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"...
Please don’t think of me as trying to be rude or an ass but after all that has been written and read here I have come up with an opinion that I hope reflects the OP’s original rant. If you don’t like it when an SP’s use the GFE term in which ever context they are using it don’t go see those ladies.
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I’m no expert and I’m still trying to figure out what GFE really is given the variables. I think as has been said and it’s a broad spectrum that isn’t clearly defined so therein open to interpretation and occasional exaggeration.
$ talks and bullshit walks. The term on here YMMV is what I pay a bit more attention to now. The true good GFE that I imagine is my current focus. I’ve seen some great reviews, my goal this year is to find a solid regular. Being a regular somewhere gets deeper, not emotionally really for me but deeper in exploration and curiosity. Seemingly by both parties. Just my experience, ymmv.
$ talks and bullshit walks. The term on here YMMV is what I pay a bit more attention to now. The true good GFE that I imagine is my current focus. I’ve seen some great reviews, my goal this year is to find a solid regular. Being a regular somewhere gets deeper, not emotionally really for me but deeper in exploration and curiosity. Seemingly by both parties. Just my experience, ymmv.
So if you request the premium PSE package, you still have to pay for the premiums on top of the already premium price...? Nice marketing scheme!
Can I get the vintage PSE please?
I’m not sure you read my post.. or that you understand the topic.. it doesn’t have anything to do with rates.. and if you read my post you would know that IMO there’s just one definition for GFE or PSE and that’s the way it’s been used commonly for awhile..
I’m in favour of having the umbrella term for a set of services.. and acknowledge that in practice the umbrella terms we’ve used traditionally have changed.. so I expressed that I like the simplicity of not using a ton of acronyms for something..
I don’t really know where “premium pse” term is coming from.. you know Greek and cim are always an extra right? Idk..
True GFE. Pick her up, go out for dinner, go for some drinks at a bar. Get in an argument when some guys hitting on her and she is flirting with a couple others. Get pissed, pay the bill, go home alone, watch some porn and jerk off... Priceless. Thats what I call a true GFE
Cost about $300.
Cost about $300.
Girlfriends give blowjobs without condoms and will DFK.
It's not that complicated. Be direct. If you don't get what is promised, bring it up in your review and out them the same way we do on fake pictures.
The financial impact will be felt and behaviors will change. Real gfe providers will reap the benefits from our posts and the misleading ones will become extinct.
I wonder how long this thread will last before being locked... I hope I'm wrong because it would be nice to continue to have a civil discussion about things like this.
My opinion is that at the end of the day, this is a business... and unfortunately while it hasn't reached the point of being fully regulated yet, I think it's good to start that movement towards that goal. With that in mind, as a customer of a business, it would be to the benefit of everyone involved if most details of the service is clearly defined and standardized.
The spirit of "GFE" may not always align with what the business side of an SP is willing to offer. I mean, in most of my relationships with my "GFs" that I've had in the past, we don't usually continue to wear a condom after the first (or first few) time(s), but that is never an expectation with a reputable SP.
You can't easily define the things about how a person may make you "feel", but it's easier to define restrictions. Therefore, the definition of GFE should purely be based on a standard of restrictions offered. The rest of it could, and should be in another part of the advertisement/pitch. The term should be viewed in light of the business of the service.
Edit: Just wanted to add that I used the word "should" a lot. I am of no illusion that this is actually going to happen (at least not overnight). Even in highly regulated businesses, false advertisement still happens.
My opinion is that at the end of the day, this is a business... and unfortunately while it hasn't reached the point of being fully regulated yet, I think it's good to start that movement towards that goal. With that in mind, as a customer of a business, it would be to the benefit of everyone involved if most details of the service is clearly defined and standardized.
The spirit of "GFE" may not always align with what the business side of an SP is willing to offer. I mean, in most of my relationships with my "GFs" that I've had in the past, we don't usually continue to wear a condom after the first (or first few) time(s), but that is never an expectation with a reputable SP.
You can't easily define the things about how a person may make you "feel", but it's easier to define restrictions. Therefore, the definition of GFE should purely be based on a standard of restrictions offered. The rest of it could, and should be in another part of the advertisement/pitch. The term should be viewed in light of the business of the service.
Edit: Just wanted to add that I used the word "should" a lot. I am of no illusion that this is actually going to happen (at least not overnight). Even in highly regulated businesses, false advertisement still happens.
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