Generic List of providers who accept the donation after the session

[huggzy]

Huggzy, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would like to request the following from you at this time. It would be immensely appreciate if you could please...

Thank you kindly for your consideration.

You couldn't charge a rate low enough for me to want to kiss anything on you dear.

But hey, you never know...I might just make a call on you one of these days just so that I can show up and tell you that I was able to do so.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Two asswipes who can't seem to get it through their heads what a dangerous position SP's are in - alone with a client.

Yes, the losers who rob and cheat and steal and beat are the ones that define the standards, like Susi said.

What the fuck kind of prick doesn't post reviews unless they are negative ones?

Exactly the same way these kinds of losers have redefined what happens at drivethru restaurants. Order & pay, then the order is put together, then move to another window to pick up the order. But the order does not proceed until full payment is made. This was not the way in the beginning, when the order was paid after it was prepared and you go thru to the pickup window and pay there. That would be post paying because altho you haven't eaten the food yet, the effort has been made to put it together for you. The reason for these changes is that it made it possible for the order would be taken, then the driver takes off without paying.

After this happens, the entire procedure is rearranged, to account for the few who did it. Are all the customers considered cheaters? Well, pretty much yes, and they are not given the opportunity to prove that they are, just as for sps, the wise sp gets paid in full up front so that the deceitful few cannot have the opportunity to steal from them. Because guess what?

The agreement was an exchange of $$ for services. If the services are received, the amount is owed. If he runs off without paying, he has not honoured the agreement and that is at worst assault and at best theft.

 

[Pillowtalk]

They're in that position (dangerous or otherwise) whether the client pays them up front or not. If the guy is legitimately dangerous then she's in more danger if she has the money and he wants to get it back then the other way around.

And why should pooners take on this risk? Feel free to do it if you want to, but why should they take on the risk?

And I have no problem not sharing any positive info with dickheads like you. I'll pick and choose who I give that to. If this board was set up for free flow of information like it had been in the past I'd be more than happy to do otherwise. But as you can see in this thread this board isn't about that, is it?

Get that through your head "asswipe".

Risk of what? Getting a cbj instead of a bbbj cuz you come into the session with an attitude? Really, if you get the minimum of services, exactly how can you possibly compare that to not paying an sp at all? That is the issue here. Not is she worth it, or if she failed to provide a dfk when it was on the menu, but that SHE IS NOT GETTING PAID by these guys who do not pay anything at all. Whether the service level was subpar or above par, we are talking about the guys who do not pay good or bad.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Oh, right. Guys don't get ripped off in this industry.

Obviously many do not.. Usually these are guys who take advantage of reviews, do their homework, spend time talking with the sp first, and know what they are looking for. Just because you continue to be able to make the same mistakes over and over does not mean that others are not capable of learning from their mistakes.

 

[Pillowtalk]

You couldn't charge a rate low enough for me to want to kiss anything on you dear.

But hey, you never know...I might just make a call on you one of these days just so that I can show up and tell you that I was able to do so.

And that is why you will continue to make the same mistakes over and over and guarantee having bad times. You have the opportunity to see a well reviewed and reputable sp, who does (I believe) even offer a full GFE experience, but for the lack of funds you won't.

You only have yourself to blame if you deliberately choose NOT to see good sps.

 

[huggzy]

Exactly the same way these kinds of losers have redefined what happens at drivethru restaurants. Order & pay, then the order is put together, then move to another window to pick up the order. But the order does not proceed until full payment is made. This was not the way in the beginning, when the order was paid after it was prepared and you go thru to the pickup window and pay there. That would be post paying because altho you haven't eaten the food yet, the effort has been made to put it together for you. The reason for these changes is that it made it possible for the order would be taken, then the driver takes off without paying.

After this happens, the entire procedure is rearranged, to account for the few who did it. Are all the customers considered cheaters? Well, pretty much yes, and they are not given the opportunity to prove that they are, just as for sps, the wise sp gets paid in full up front so that the deceitful few cannot have the opportunity to steal from them. Because guess what?

The agreement was an exchange of $$ for services. If the services are received, the amount is owed. If he runs off without paying, he has not honoured the agreement and that is at worst assault and at best theft.

You can provide service that can be paralleled to a drive thru fast-food restaurant. And you will get treated like a business in that industry.

Or you can provide a more upscale service.

We get the drift...you're the fast-food restaurant of the SP industry. That's not the service being sought after here.

 

[PhoneGirl]

Are you guys seriously not getting enough stimulation in your real lives that you have to try to revolutionize the way these girls do their buisness like requesting post-payment and BBBJ's in the standard GFE?
Whine, bitch, and complain about it all you want. In the end, it is up to the girls. Remember that they are the provider, not you. It is up to any provider, whether it's Shaw Cable, car dealerships, sex workers, government, etc, to set the policies, not the client or citizen.

 

[huggzy]

Risk of what? Getting a cbj instead of a bbbj cuz you come into the session with an attitude? Really, if you get the minimum of services, exactly how can you possibly compare that to not paying an sp at all? That is the issue here. Not is she worth it, or if she failed to provide a dfk when it was on the menu, but that SHE IS NOT GETTING PAID by these guys who do not pay anything at all. Whether the service level was subpar or above par, we are talking about the guys who do not pay good or bad.

Fucking right. There's nothing worse then an SP who promises you something, you come in and pay your money, and then after taking the money into the other room she comes back and gives you the checklist of everything she won't do now...and this is before you even have a chance to talk and get to know one another.

Happens all the time.

And then what? We complain. And of course the session is already fucked then (like what...now we're supposed to go through with a session when you're completely disappointed and upset?).

And then they refuse to give you your money back...

And then what? Are we supposed "man up" and threaten them???? Of course not...can't do that, can we? Gotta walk away and be pissed off for the rest of the day/evening etc.. after giving away $200 or $300.

And it happens all the time.

I'm not interested in booking with Pillowtalk or Bijou from this board. There's maybe six reviews in the Victoria section??? And the positive ones that are on there were written by their coworkers, and the negative ones for paid advertisers are deleted.

Whatever...

 

[huggzy]

Are you guys seriously not getting enough stimulation in your real lives that you have to try to revolutionize the way these girls do their buisness like requesting post-payment and BBBJ's in the standard GFE?
Whine, bitch, and complain about it all you want. In the end, it is up to the girls. Remember that they are the provider, not you. It is up to any provider, whether it's Shaw Cable, car dealerships, sex workers, government, etc, to set the policies, not the client or citizen.

AND THIS PROVES THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS WHO JUST DON'T GET IT. AND IT IS THOSE BUSINESSES THAT DIE.


Don't sweat it phonegirl. We're aware that there are people who don't understand business, marketing and how to communicate to their marketplace. Keep doing what you do. I'm sure you'll be in the business another 2 or 3 year doing great as you always do...

 

[Pillowtalk]

Fucking right. There's nothing worse then an SP who promises you something, you come in and pay your money, and then after taking the money into the other room she comes back and gives you the checklist of everything she won't do now...and this is before you even have a chance to talk and get to know one another.

Happens all the time.

And then what? We complain. And of course the session is already fucked then (like what...now we're supposed to go through with a session when you're completely disappointed and upset?).

And then they refuse to give you your money back...

And then what? Are we supposed "man up" and threaten them???? Of course not...can't do that, can we? Gotta walk away and be pissed off for the rest of the day/evening etc.. after giving away $200 or $300.

And it happens all the time.

I'm not interested in booking with Pillowtalk or Bijou from this board. There's maybe six reviews in the Victoria section??? And the positive ones that are on there were written by their coworkers, and the negative ones for paid advertisers are deleted.

Whatever...

Why are you here then? Trying to change the industry norms from the inside out? lol. You mention this as if it happens all the time, when I know for a fact it does not. What kind of an idiot makes an appt with someone who does not clearly define (HERSELF via a conversation with you), the menu. What kind of an idiot does not even ask about restrictions, if indeed this has happened SOOOOOOO many times? In fact, you make it sounds like it happens ALLLLL the time. Which we know only the mentally challenged could possibly have happen to them that often and still not learn a few basic dos and don'ts to avoid it. One major don't is don't use an agency. It sounds like it should be obvious, but if you are not talking about rates and services and restrictions directly with the sp you are going to see, you are talking to someone who is agreeing to something without her consent. Chances are really good that she does not provide the services the booker is promising. If they told the truth, there would be no appt. Obviously.

You already chose not to see Bijou, an sp honest about what she provides, and provides with honesty and enthusiasm. It is clear that you prefer to waste your time and money by not doing even the basic amount of preparation to avoid the obvious pitfalls. You get out of it what you put into it. You put nothing into it, you get nothing out of it, and those are the results.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Fucking right. There's nothing worse then an SP who promises you something, you come in and pay your money, and then after taking the money into the other room she comes back and gives you the checklist of everything she won't do now...and this is before you even have a chance to talk and get to know one another.

Happens all the time.

And then what? We complain. And of course the session is already fucked then (like what...now we're supposed to go through with a session when you're completely disappointed and upset?).

And then they refuse to give you your money back...

And then what? Are we supposed "man up" and threaten them???? Of course not...can't do that, can we? Gotta walk away and be pissed off for the rest of the day/evening etc.. after giving away $200 or $300.

And it happens all the time.

I'm not interested in booking with Pillowtalk or Bijou from this board. There's maybe six reviews in the Victoria section??? And the positive ones that are on there were written by their coworkers, and the negative ones for paid advertisers are deleted.

Whatever...

Like I said, Slow Learner.

How can I go 30 years, averaging 1 different SP contract a month and NEVER get ripped off, but you manage it on a regular enough basis to be ranting about it? Like you said, "It happens all the time."

You have an inability to communicate, which you have proved here and it obviously affects your pooning.

If this keeps happening to you you must be riding the short bus.

No wonder you can't figure out what most posters are saying.

Edit - Actually, I do remember being ripped off once, maybe my second pooning try. I learned my lesson, and I didn't have the advantage of review boards. The fact you won't post positive reviews says it all.

 

[Pillowtalk]

AND THIS PROVES THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS WHO JUST DON'T GET IT. AND IT IS THOSE BUSINESSES THAT DIE.


Don't sweat it phonegirl. We're aware that there are people who don't understand business, marketing and how to communicate to their marketplace. Keep doing what you do. I'm sure you'll be in the business another 2 or 3 year doing great as you always do...

Funny. susi has been in business for a couple of decades. Others are long term, tho not that long. They obviously must be doing something wrong to not follow your advice?

I am just confused as to how you can complain to the ones who post that they provide full info about what the services include, what the restrictions are, and what the policies are, that they don't know how to communicate? lol. I think they do just fine. You just don't like that they are not communicating what you want to hear.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

You couldn't charge a rate low enough for me to want to kiss anything on you dear.

But hey, you never know...I might just make a call on you one of these days just so that I can show up and tell you that I was able to do so.

wow. Aren't you a real winner.

(And a whiner.)


Really, keep talking while you're digging that hole.

 

[mistressfreyja]

Lenny, you contradicted yourself, and did not answer my posts in addressing such issues.

Huggzy, you are a troll, and need more hugs. WTF were you thinking when choosing that username?

Lenny, Huggzy = TROLL.

Good people of perb, let's stop playing into their BS.

Mods? Perhaps multiple identities? Or someone banned with some BS up their sleeve?

Snore.

If you can't answer my legitimate questions, you are a BORE and a TROLL.

Carry on folks....but I recommend looking the other way and ignoring these idiots BS. JMHO.

 

[lenny]

Susi, sorry to hear of your bad experiences with ripoffs. I appreciate your willingness
to acknowledge that clients of SP's get stolen from as well.

all sp's of any experience ask for the money up front and any workers who do not currently up hold this tradtion, are only 1 rip off away from embracing the practice.

There seem to be some examples that do not uphold that thought.

Post 192 speaks of an SP 10 years in the biz with postpayment & one ripoff.

Experienced SWs in Thailand always recieve donations after a session. I'm sure
ripoffs occur amongst them occasionally.

IME experienced SW's in the DTES are usually agreeable to postpayment. On a number of
occasions these ladies have related stories about ripoffs.

In post 21 it is claimed Asian micros' policy is to not pay first. Do they never
have anyone who claims to have forgotten their wallet, or who passes counterfeit
money, or who runs out after a session?

According to post 8 the vast majority of Edmonton's SPs also accept that form of payment.
I doubt they are all inexperienced or never get ripped off.

nice though that you are assembling a list of workers people could exploit as a result of their inexperience.

Really? Where is this list of "inexperience{d}" SP's? Should the SW's of
Thailand be soiling their undies because of this thread?

An interesting comment, though, considering you just advertised that you
let the cash sit on the table during sessions.

Finally let's not leave out the fact that the info here will help pooners
from being exploited by fly by night SP's and hardcore ripoff SP's.

(ref post # 228)

 

[lenny]

Been pooning for 30 years and never been ripped off.

Disappointed, sometimes but never ripped off.

You guys getting ripped off are either doing something wrong or don't learn very fast.

Who & how many have you seen in the last year?

So what's your secret? You only see ladies in red? Never see ladies that aren't well reviewed?
Not everyone wants to restrict themselves so narrowly.

 

[lenny]

I see your point, but it's not the same thing. The fee has at least already been charged to the CC; cash payment not yet received is exactly that.

Obviously, but the point remains that they essentially are the same when it comes to the pooner
getting to keep his money and have his cake too. If he wanted to, that is.

Again, apples and oranges. We're not in Thailand!! You can't possibly try and compare cultural norms with those here.

And why not?

Bananas are still bananas, whether here, in Thailand, or stuffed in a pussy.

And SP's are still SP's.

So i will compare them especially since they fall under the topic of the title of this
thread and are spoken of in the initial post by the OP.

Otherwise Pillowtalk is henceforth forbidden from referring to studies on Netherlands
SP's as if they had anything in common with SP's here.

Now if anyone has info about postpayment recieving SWs in Moscow... ;

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Thanks Al.

I concur. I have been on both sides of the situation and you need a lot of evidence to successfully chargeback a purchase you've made. You can't just simply ask for it without a really good reason and documentation to prove it.

 

[lenny]

I think you have an erroneous view of the ease of applying for a chargeback and the effect a chargeback has on the cardholder's credit rating.

I'm not aware of anyone in this thread saying it was easy or presenting a view on that subject.

Compared to other ripoff methods, like being tackled as one attempted to leave without paying,
charging back a CC payment might seem like a walk along the beach.

Online casino/sportsbooks often require with CC deposits, and before any withdrawals are made,
copies of the front and back of the CC, other ID {e.g. driver's license, passport}, and a signed
authorization form. Each subsequent CC deposit may need an additional signed form. To
discourage or protect themselves from chargebacks?

BTW, in the mail i must get half a dozen letters a year inviting me to sign up for new CC's.

 

[bruins70]

Mods? Perhaps multiple identities? Or someone banned with some BS up their sleeve?

Lenny=Kustee