Generic List of providers who accept the donation after the session

[lenny]

I've read the entire thread there lenny....

Really? Then why ask the question you did? "I find it pretty funny you get bent out of shape over pay first or pay later......who really cares?" If you had read the topic then the answer would have been obvious. You sound like one of the few who doesn't care. Not much point being in this thread, then, eh?

we got you and hugzy on one side and the rest of the board who get it on the other.

That's your summary of this thread? There must be at least 20 different topics and
or subtopics being raised here so, as i not a mind reader, i have no idea what
you're talking about, and doubt that you do either. A few examples of subjects here:

1. CC payments being essentially the same as paying after a session.

2. Ladies who leave the donation on the table during the session and will try to
tackle you if you attempt to grab it and run. And people here are worried about
losing a few pieces of paper {$20's, 50's, 100's or whatever}?

3. SP's who don't even look in the envelope or count it.

4. Others who realize they are small ladies who can't fight a man, but somehow
feel their money is safe if they take it and put it somewhere. No backup? Do
you want to advertize that?

5. Why can an entire group of SP's, SW's in Thailand, succeed with postpayment?

6. What other SP's in the world offer/advertize postpayment?

7. Are SP's who advertize postpayment putting themselves at an increased danger
of theft or personal injury? Is that the experience of those who do it?

8. Do SP's who take donations after sessions succeed in the business?

9. Is it safe to grant postpayment to regulars? Why would one do that when
there are cases of theft? How can those so worried about theft from first
timers justify that? By posting they offer such to regulars, aren't they
advertising in this thread and setting themselves up for possible ripoffs?

10. Do only SP's that are "desperate" offer postpayment? No.

Would you like me to identify 10 more topics from this thread?

 

[huggzy]

I think this thread has come to its end. We seem to agree that no one will agree.
There will never be a list of SP's that take payment after.
For those who seek this go to your local SW's or phone SP's and ask how they run there business, let them know you are interested however you will pay them when session is done to be sure they meet up to your expectations. Good luck with that one.
In my opinion this thread could be closed now it is a loss cause.

Why close it and why call it a lost cause? Members have been privately pm'ing each other names of sp's on this topic.

Sorry that this doesn't work for your business model.

 

[lenny]

Are you kidding me? I don't know any reputable SP's who would allow a client to pay after a session. {snip} That kind of practice would never fly at an agency, I can guarantee you.

Compare Pillowtalk's comment in post 6 of this subject:

If they have onsite backup, like an agency, micro, or an indy with a driver, you might see that happen. Even at mps, but the main difference is between does she have backup or not. And if not, she will want it up front.

 

[lenny]

Anyway my experience has been 80% with payment afterwards and service level has always been better when they do not ask. I am a cautious person and it is red flag if a new girl and asked to pay up front, but if girl asks (it make sme nervous) but if situation appears cool, I pay up front to put her at ease.

Do you usually visit MP's?

[Ref post # 49]

 

[susi]

You make it sound like this is the only industry that is at risk for a rip off Susi. EVERY INDUSTRY IS AT RISK OF RIP-OFFS.

The issue is that you assume that all men are dishonest and you treat them like they are. I have been asserting that I actually appreciate it when a provider doesn't treat me as such. Just like I appreciate it when I go to a fine restaurant - I don't have to prepay when I go to Hy's or Il Terrazzo to dine, do you??

For gods sakes, no one likes to get ripped off, but you make it sound like if it actually happened once or twice because a provider acts in a certain way to cater to the comforts of her client that it would be the end of the world. What's the worst that happens?!?! You lost an hour of your time? It only has REAL implications if you decide to "physically fight" as you said - and that's where you fuck up. Every retail owner tells there employees to just let a thief go...why would you do it differently and put yourself at risk. Its only dangerous if you decide to fight over it.

You said that "the few clients who do treat (you) badly define the rules". Why should I, as a paying client, have to accept that?? I think that if there are escorts that rip off clients out there, that this should "define the rules" - at least on any transactions I pay for.

According to your line of thinking EVERYTHING THAT A CLIENT SEEKS IS EXPLOITING A PROVIDER. If I want sex from an sp, I'm exploiting them in exchange for payment of cash. If I want a bj I'm exploiting them. If I want bbbj, I'm exploiting them...where does it stop.

Get off your high horse. Again...don't provide a service if you don't want to. But don't make exaggerated accusations painting us as if we're exploiting children or beating women up. That's what upsets me the most about the accusations in this thread.

please, as if i am saying sex consumers are all exploitative woman beating pedophiles. my feelings about my clients are well known. i stand up for sex consumers at every opportunity...in public....and catch alot of shit for it so don't give me that.

i like your jumping on you own high horse accusing me of all kinds of shit for merely expressing my opinion and explaining why this money up front policy evolved. i clearly stated the rule evolved as a result of the actions of the MINORITY OF POONERS. nowhere did i engage in the man hating rhetoric you are accusing me of.....

i now have a new name!!! the world's most boring,lazy,lackluster,man hating sp who sucked a cock!!!

you guys need to take a step back and think about what it is you are saying. for your own sense of "service up to par" or whatever you are willing to ask us all to put ourselves at risk. it is not like a restaurant. if you try to dine and dash, the restaurant can call police. sp's cannot call police or won't as a result of facing biases and stigma. trying to compare safety conditions or the potential for robbery between an uncriminalized industry and a criminalized one in these terms is ridiculous.

i did not make any exaggerated accusations, i shared my experiences. i no where said all customers are exploiting me and beating women. take a fuckin pill. you are preaching to the converted but that doesn't change the facts there are a few assholes out there who will do anything to take advantage and so we are forced to protect ourselves.

 

[huggzy]

please, as if i am saying sex consumers are all exploitative woman beating pedophiles. my feelings about my clients are well known. i stand up for sex consumers at every opportunity...in public....and catch alot of shit for it so don't give me that.

i like your jumping on you own high horse accusing me of all kinds of shit for merely expressing my opinion and explaining why this money up front policy evolved. i clearly stated the rule evolved as a result of the actions of the MINORITY OF POONERS. nowhere did i engage in the man hating rhetoric you are accusing me of.....

i now have a new name!!! the world's most boring,lazy,lackluster,man hating sp who sucked a cock!!!

you guys need to take a step back and think about what it is you are saying. for your own sense of "service up to par" or whatever you are willing to ask us all to put ourselves at risk. it is not like a restaurant. if you try to dine and dash, the restaurant can call police. sp's cannot call police or won't as a result of facing biases and stigma. trying to compare safety conditions or the potential for robbery between an uncriminalized industry and a criminalized one in these terms is ridiculous.

i did not make any exaggerated accusations, i shared my experiences. i no where said all customers are exploiting me and beating women. take a fuckin pill. you are preaching to the converted but that doesn't change the facts there are a few assholes out there who will do anything to take advantage and so we are forced to protect ourselves.

These same "assholes" exploit every industry, not just yours. And are you referring to the same police that pooners can call when we get ripped off??? Are you suggesting that we can call them when this happens?? We share the same risks and issues Susi. And btw...restaurants recover virtually none of the dine and dashes that happen...its just a write off and budgeted as a cost of doing business. Every business carries budgets for employee theft, client theft, etc.

I've been involved in this industry for quite some time as well, and I obviously have been ripped off more than a few times. I don't see why the consumer cannot demand that he should not have to carry this risk and put it back onto the businesses that are seeking out his hard-earned money.

You make it sound like its a "dangerous" risk for sps...its not unless you as the sp choose to put yourself into a position of harm and make it so.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Two asswipes who can't seem to get it through their heads what a dangerous position SP's are in - alone with a client.

Yes, the losers who rob and cheat and steal and beat are the ones that define the standards, like Susi said.

What the fuck kind of prick doesn't post reviews unless they are negative ones?

 

[lenny]

You have recinded saying that women in Thailand actually do ask for money upfront.

You have said that it is a dangerous game for them.

You have said that CL girls have clearly ripped you off.

Really? Where? Actually, i'll go with door number four:

None of the above.

{Ref post #'s 171-172}

 

[lenny]

Two asswipes who can't seem to get it through their heads what a dangerous position SP's are in - alone with a client.

I'm not sure what thread you've been reading.

Here is one of several quotes of myself from this topic that i could list here:

And BTW, every SP in this thread who reconsiders her personal safety and
improves it {as opposed, for example, to those who'd attack a guy taking the
donation on the table}, and is spared being injured or worse, then maybe the
thread will have been an influence in saving something of infinite worth.
Compared to a few pieces of paper, which is nothing.

Maybe some SP's will also wise up and stop giving services to regulars
without prepayment, as there are known cases where this has failed.

What you should have said is that some SP's don't realize how dangerous
and foolish it would be to physicly assault and attack a customer.

(Ref post # 175)

 

[susi]

These same "assholes" exploit every industry, not just yours. And are you referring to the same police that pooners can call when we get ripped off??? Are you suggesting that we can call them when this happens?? We share the same risks and issues Susi. And btw...restaurants recover virtually none of the dine and dashes that happen...its just a write off and budgeted as a cost of doing business. Every business carries budgets for employee theft, client theft, etc.

I've been involved in this industry for quite some time as well, and I obviously have been ripped off more than a few times. I don't see why the consumer cannot demand that he should not have to carry this risk and put it back onto the businesses that are seeking out his hard-earned money.

You make it sound like its a "dangerous" risk for sps...its not unless you as the sp choose to put yourself into a position of harm and make it so.

ya. a position of harm like not receiving your donation up front, i choose not to put myself at risk by waiting until after service is received to get paid....are you making my arguement for me....?

i also want to say that i agree that the workers ripping off men are also causing anti trust between us all.it isn't right but at least you have these review boards to air your grievences, that's something at least.

anyway, nothing you can say will change my mind and i will continue to protect myself in the traditional ways.

 

[huggzy]

Two asswipes who can't seem to get it through their heads what a dangerous position SP's are in - alone with a client.

Yes, the losers who rob and cheat and steal and beat are the ones that define the standards, like Susi said.

What the fuck kind of prick doesn't post reviews unless they are negative ones?

They're in that position (dangerous or otherwise) whether the client pays them up front or not. If the guy is legitimately dangerous then she's in more danger if she has the money and he wants to get it back then the other way around.

And why should pooners take on this risk? Feel free to do it if you want to, but why should they take on the risk?

And I have no problem not sharing any positive info with dickheads like you. I'll pick and choose who I give that to. If this board was set up for free flow of information like it had been in the past I'd be more than happy to do otherwise. But as you can see in this thread this board isn't about that, is it?

Get that through your head "asswipe".

 

[Cock Throppled]

Been pooning for 30 years and never been ripped off.

Disappointed, sometimes but never ripped off.

You guys getting ripped off are either doing something wrong or don't learn very fast.

 

[huggzy]

ya. a position of harm like not receiving your donation up front, i choose not to put myself at risk by waiting until after service is received to get paid....are you making my arguement for me....?

i also want to say that i agree that the workers ripping off men are also causing anti trust between us all.it isn't right but at least you have these review boards to air your grievences, that's something at least.

anyway, nothing you can say will change my mind and i will continue to protect myself in the traditional ways.

Susi...an SP is only in a position of harm once she possesses the money (if the conflict between client/sp is about the transaction). Why would you be in danger if he hasn't handed over any cash??? It doesn't work like that.

You're not in danger unless you put yourself into danger. Physically fighting over cash (as you imply you would do, and you imply that you believe is ok?!?!) is what elevates your risk of being hurt.

Once you've accepted that cash you have accepted that inherent chance of being in danger.

The safest position for you as the SP is to a) provide the service as advertised, and b) request payment afterwards. If the pooner feels he got value for money an overwhelming majority of the time he's going to pay the amount without incident.

There will be a rare time where the guy is just an absolute ripoff and may just take off. If he takes off, what is the risk to the SP? None...unless she tries to physically do something.

A physical altercation over payment will only happen if the SP forces it.

 

[huggzy]

Been pooning for 30 years and never been ripped off.

Disappointed, sometimes but never ripped off.

You guys getting ripped off are either doing something wrong or don't learn very fast.

Oh, right. Guys don't get ripped off in this industry.

 

[sonoman]

Victoria Jolie stated in this thread she accepts CC payment.
If first time clients can charge back the fee to the CC for goods not being delivered then this is essentially the same as postpayment.

I see your point, but it's not the same thing. The fee has at least already been charged to the CC; cash payment not yet received is exactly that.

You make it sound like this is the only industry that is at risk for a rip off Susi. EVERY INDUSTRY IS AT RISK OF RIP-OFFS.

True, but you're comparing apples and oranges; what recourse do SP's have afterward?

5. Why can an entire group of SP's, SW's in Thailand, succeed with postpayment?

Again, apples and oranges. We're not in Thailand!! You can't possibly try and compare cultural norms with those here.

There are a few wannabe pimps here to be sure. They are as flotsam and jetsam on this review board. Never reviewing, never giving, only taking and trolling, while they pretend to be good members, concerned about the "Review Board". They post on the reviews but don't make any.

Easy, dawg...

 

[huggzy]

True, but you're comparing apples and oranges; what recourse do SP's have afterward?

The same recourse that pooners do afterwards when they get ripped off.

The difference is that an SP might lose an hour of her time.

The pooner likely had to work between 8 - 24 hours of his time to earn the cash that was ripped off from him.

 

[huggzy]

I am trying to stay away from this thread here.
But Huggzy why do you have to come out as such an angry person? What is with the name calling. Yesturday you calling be a condenscending bitch. really all I have done as everyone else is post there thoughts.
you jump on everyones back. can you not except peoples answer and really why go on.
I do not like to judge people and do my best not to judge. but your name calling and aggression on this board gives me red flags. You say you treat the ladies you see with respect, you have no respect here.
And yes I still see this thread a lost cause.
Huggzy how is your blood pressure. you seem rather stressed. relax, why argue with everyone, be nice you come across so defensive and angry. no need for name calling. just accept what is and be happy.

Oh, forgive me for calling you a condenscending bitch . Sorry you don't like the language but when you're a bitch you're going to be told so.

I don't care what your business practices you do - you're free to do what you want. I do care when you stifle the board's attempts to get information on sps who compete against you. I furthermore care when you paint members as something they're not by implying that seeking out these wishes is somehow abusive to the women in this business.

I do accept what the reality is - which is that the women replying in this thread are not completely accurate when suggesting that women don't offer this practice. So stop stifling the board from seeking this out.

 

[lenny]

the very few who will accept payment at the end of the session.

Very few? More and more are being added to this thread and, according to this topic alone,
which may just be scratching the surface, we have thus far:

1. All the SW's of Thailand {post #1}.

2. Most of the SWs of the DTES in Vancouver {post #1}.

3. Certain agencies, micros and indys with backup {post #6}.

4. The vast majority of Edmonton's SPs {see post #8}.

5. AMP's? {post #15}.

6. Asian micros {#21}.

7. Further info in post #'s 40, 43, 47, 49, 120, 125, 129, 132, 165 {in 165
a lady who not only was postpaid but "guarantees" her service}, 180, 192
198, 215, 226, 233

8. There are "numerous ladies" who allow post session payment {post #116}.
Maybe this guy has "the list"?

Then there are those who offer postpayment to regulars, e.g. post #'s 17, 20, 123, 202,
228, 234, 250 (apparently after one visit qualifies with # 17), and other methods much
the same as post session payment, including using a credit card, leaving the cash on
the table, maybe without the SP even looking in the envelope or counting it, etc.

We still don't have any info on South & Central America, Europe, most of Asia and the
rest of the world, so we've barely begun here.

My view? This is a useless post that will change nothing in reality

Good. I don't want anything to change, except ripoffs to cease and SP's to be safe.
Maybe this will get a few peeps thinking about that & figuring out ways to do it.
At least blacklisting Lenny is a step in the right direction! LOL

and lenny has "issues". I have no tissues for lenny and his issues.

They are his after all. He is welcome to them.

Yeah, well, who doesn't. Holy moly. Care to come out of the closet
& post your life story with all its hidden secrets? Start a new thread.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Oh, forgive me for calling you a condenscending bitch . Sorry you don't like the language but when you're a bitch you're going to be told so.

So stop stifling the board from seeking this out.

Huggzy, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would like to request the following from you at this time. It would be immensely appreciated if you could please...

Thank you kindly for your consideration.



Best regards,
Miss Bijou

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Miss Bijou...just because you and a whole 3 other sps post in this this thread saying that they don't cater to this doesn't mean the entire industry on the whole won't. The guys who've decided that they want this from their sp will have crossed you and them off their list. Sorry that you don't like it.

We've been pm'ing the information to one another rather than posting it in the thread for you to see.

This thread has actually served a purpose in the end. Sorry if it seems so irrational to you.

Bijou...you weren't asked by the threadstarter to contribute the kind of input you did. It would be nice if you had the wherewithall to clue in, understand what was asked, and not hijack the thread.

You did not accomplish anything other than aggravate the pooners out in the marketplace seeking the specific information being asked.

hugzy I would hardly say upsetting you and lenny would constitute the pooning market place. I think you're taking things a little too personally but it makes for good reading.....carry on.

Actually, that is exactly what he asked for. The only people who don't have a clue are you and Lenny.

Well there you go. But as is evident in all subsequent posts by our dear Huggzy & dear Lenny, they still do not GRASP what you're saying. It's fair to say they won't ever either. So please follow the sign to avoid any further delays:

And that concludes this Labor day long weekend traffic report. Have fun but please don't drink and drive.