I think you missed the "no way in fucking hell will I EVER vote PC" part...
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For those of you who think the NDP should govern federally.
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ound:Really? To be frank, given the tone and content of your remarks that seems like a totally self-reflexive statement.
When people make yahoo remarks, like dismissing someone of Mulcair's stature as an assclown, they say nothing about the person, a helluva lot about themselves.
The deliberate insincerity of this kind of material is annoying, because the people who circulate this kind of drivel are legal to vote. It's disgusting, it's degrading, it's despicable, and yes, ... it's also democracy. As in so many other things, those who don't vote because they are too busy or too proud leave the field open to the flotsam and jetsam, the liars, the know-nothings, the bigots, the cretins, etc., etc.
The bit about subsidies to political activity is the clearest instance of deliberately misleading people, and we see this rubbish from opinion columnists like Mike Smyth who should and no doubt do know better. Under our political financing system in Canada there are three sets of subsidies. One is the riding level subsidy where any candidate who gets over 15% of the vote gets a full cash rebate equal to 60% of what they spent, up to the legal maximum of about $90K per riding. Another is the implicit subsidization involved in the donor tax credits, where the first $400 one contributes results in a 75% rebate, reducing the cost to just $100. The general tax payer is picking up three quarters of the contribution. Finally, there was the national per vote subsidy. Driven solely by popular vote, and not a result of getting the 15% threshold or spending money during the campaign, it was the most democratic of all the subsidies. It is only this subsidy that the Conservatives seek to abolish.
It's not an admission of anything as you took the quote out of context and too literal. I meant face with two equally undesirable choices, I'll pick the lesser (for me) of the two evils.
If you want to truly assess the contribution to the provincial debt, looking at the total debt size is rather meaningless and that's what that website was doing. You want to get a better picture by looking at debt per capita, debt to GDP and whether there are extraordinary circumstances behind the increases. Our current problems stems from reverting back to the PST and have to pay back the Feds.
In my mind, most politicians are incompetent, liars and thieves. It doesn't matter which party they belong to or are you naive enough to believe otherwise.
Yup, plug my nose and vote Liberal.
I do want to get the dirt on the Basi Virk $6M legal fees and why the taxpayers were on the hook for that money.
Heaven help us if we even bring up Dix involvement in the Casinogate fiasco.
ound: What was that he did? oh ya, falsified evidence. hmm, sounds like obstruction of justice which if I recall can be a jail sentence for most people. But we can not disparage the character of the new leader who is going to lead us to the Socialist Utopia.Wilde, I hope you're not an accountant with that view of debt.
Badbadboy Dix was not charged or convicted of anything, unlike a certain sitting Premier who was convicted of Drunk Driving - a criminal offence.
The back-dated memo was not forgery as the Liberal spin has it and he resigned. According to Liberals that makes him evil forever, but drunk driving is forgivable.
You also might note the resulting court case against Glen Clark resulted in an acquittal, making the whole point moot except to the Jim Sheppard, who, by the way was up to his eyeballs in the BC Rail sale and is desperate to keep the Libs in power to avoid a real investigation into the sale.
It's really telling that people acknowledge how crooked the Liberals are, but would still vote for them. Why not sit out the election if you feel everyone is lying and cheating? But to actually sit down and vote for people you believe are thieves is mind boggling.
Badbadboy Dix was not charged or convicted of anything, unlike a certain sitting Premier who was convicted of Drunk Driving - a criminal offence.
The back-dated memo was not forgery as the Liberal spin has it and he resigned. According to Liberals that makes him evil forever, but drunk driving is forgivable.
You also might note the resulting court case against Glen Clark resulted in an acquittal, making the whole point moot except to the Jim Sheppard, who, by the way was up to his eyeballs in the BC Rail sale and is desperate to keep the Libs in power to avoid a real investigation into the sale.
It's really telling that people acknowledge how crooked the Liberals are, but would still vote for them. Why not sit out the election if you feel everyone is lying and cheating? But to actually sit down and vote for people you believe are thieves is mind boggling.
pardner... all my life politicians have been liers, cheats and thieves... and all of my father's life... and all of my grandfather's life. i was born after my great-grandfathers' deaths so i can't say about them
that's what politicians are - parasites who get rich off the backs of people who actually create wealth. as my father used to say, 'they're a little bit light for heavy work, and they're a little bit heavy for light work.'
so if you think you're not voting for thieves when you go into that booth, then you should give your head a great big shake and wipe the bullshit out of your eyes - because you are sadly disillusioned
of course voting in politics is voting for the lesser of two evils!!! it always was and always will be
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Please feel free to point out why you have that opinion based on my reply.
That's almost how I have voted in every single election my entire life (except in Canada, we have a choice of more than two evils in many cases). I always vote strategically AGAINST the party I dislike the most -- never FOR a particular gang.
If I had been an American in 2008, I would have voted FOR Obama. It turned out that I would have been wrong in that optimism. In 2012, I would have reverted back to my previous strategy of voting against the greater evil.
Heaven help us if we even bring up Dix involvement in the Casinogate fiasco.
Dix has said, every time he's been asked, that everything in that memo was accurate. However, he admits he was wrong to back date it. Rather like a certain phoney "prime time crime" tabloid columnist, you're deliberately distorting things, then claiming that your deliberate distortions prove that Dix is dishonest. Well, they sure as Hell prove SOMEONE is dishonest, no doubt about that.
After Dix left Premier Glen Clark's office, and yes, that's the very same Glen Clark who is now Jimmy Pattison's top executive, he spent several years as the Director of the BC section of Canadian Parents for French, a job totally outside of politics or left/labour circles. He doubled their membership. He came back to public life as an MLA in 2005, and the BC Liberals have hated him ever since because he was a very effective critic. The main reason we have an independent Commissioner for Children and Youth, Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond, is because Dix as an opposition MLA boxed the Campbell Govt in so badly in question period on children in care issues that they were forced to take that step.
I don't believe in taking people out of context, so here's the entire post I was replying to:
I will vote for the crooked Liberals and you are free to vote for the commies NDP. Keep the rhetoric coming though, it's pretty entertaining.
If you're seriously going to argue that the NDP are "commies", that's ridiculous. It's like a NDP type saying the BC Liberals are neo-Nazis or something. No one can take stuff like that seriously, except of course, the silly bugger world of BC beer parlour populism.
What interested me was that, and this is YOUR own description, the BC LIberals are "crooked". I don't think that's generally true. But what's weird here is that you seem to think it is and plan to vote for a party that you yourself have evaluated as being generally crooked.
I explained it, take it or leave it. It's interesting that you chose to be literal for the crooked part but not the commies part but who am I to argue with your cherry picking logic.
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Campbell was charged with DUI and convicted in the USA. They don't cut any slack to Canadians ever when it comes to driving offences especially DUI.
Dix was busted in BC and was given a soft ride out of the NDP with a dismissal plus a severance package. There is a very distinct difference between the two so don't muddy the water with Campbell's DUI in Hawaii vs Dix falsifying evidence in BC. NOT apples to apples.
Tell me one private industry company that dismisses an employee with cause plus gives them a severance package. Not happening, period. Happens all the time in Government but not private industry.
He backdated evidence which is obstruction of justice pure and simple.
On another note, it appears the NDP Internet Police have been actively deleting anything negative to Adrian Dix Wikipedia Bio.
As soon as a negative comment appears, it is quickly deleted.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/135038746/Details-that-have-disappeared-from-Dix-s-Wiki
Seems like the old socialist regimes in the Eastern Bloc who censored anything or anyone who spoke the truth about the Government of the day. Censorship is alive and well in the Socialist World.
As soon as a negative comment appears, it is quickly deleted.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/135038746/Details-that-have-disappeared-from-Dix-s-Wiki
Seems like the old socialist regimes in the Eastern Bloc who censored anything or anyone who spoke the truth about the Government of the day. Censorship is alive and well in the Socialist World.
Well my friend, you only have to look at the origins of the NDP. No matter how many name changes or rebrandings or "distancing themselves from socialsims", their origins are clear as day!
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Commies .... Socialists ............... same shit. Both just as bad.
Anything close to left wing is wrong and doomed for failure ......... IMHO.
