For those of you who think the NDP should govern federally.

[Avery]

Ok, I looked up the elections of Manitoban governments. The last time the PC were in power it was during the Trudeau years of Liberal government, which was a period of economic stability.

No. it wasn't. Gary Filmon's PC government lasted from 1988 to 1999. The first 5 years, Mulroney was in power federally, and for the last 6 years, it was the Chretien Liberals. The Filmon government was much more centrist than the Harper government is now.

Btw, Manitoba Hydro is a crown corporation, which means that it belongs to the government of the province. If it makes profits, those are returned to the owners or invested. Since the government is the owner, any profit generated that is not going to be used for capital investment (not really needed, since the government would provide cash for large capital investments anyway) is going to be returned to them. Most private corporations work that way, why shouldn't a crown corporation?

Technically true, however, the Manitoba government uses those Hydro profits to disguise the real deficit. The profits they suck from Manitoba Hydro are replaced by additional borrowed dollars required to finance capital projects. Were it not for this action, the provincial deficit would be substantially higher than it is now (over $500 million in a province with a population of around 1.4 million).

 

[storm rider]

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/busines...family+bonus/8267784/story.html#ixzz2R1sHXE9l

The $70 family bonus is sure to bring children out of poverty...[/QUOTE]

Thats how the BC NDP party operates.....throw some bread to the masses to get elected and then tax the shit out of the people who have jobs....and whilst doing so they take the opportunity to line the pockets of insiders and themselves...it is has been done over and over and the cycle will continue and be renewed like a phoenix rising from it's own ashes this election and then after 1 or if the NDP are lucky 2 terms they will be voted out and be replaced by the opposition...meanwhile the province will get quagmired further into debt.

I am glad I dont live in BC....like in the GVRD where a shithole house costs close to 1 Million or in say Revelstoke where housing is on par for price to Calgary because a ski hill development got through and magically thr price of a house went through the roof allmost instantly.

Welcome to BC politics....sure am glad I dont have that type of situation in Alberta...even if we have all hell for a basement.

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/busines...family+bonus/8267784/story.html#ixzz2R1sHXE9l

The $70 family bonus is sure to bring children out of poverty...

Thats how the BC NDP party operates.....throw some bread to the masses to get elected and then tax the shit out of the people who have jobs....and whilst doing so they take the opportunity to line the pockets of insiders and themselves...it is has been done over and over and the cycle will continue and be renewed like a phoenix rising from it's own ashes this election and then after 1 or if the NDP are lucky 2 terms they will be voted out and be replaced by the opposition...meanwhile the province will get quagmired further into debt.

I am glad I dont live in BC....like in the GVRD where a shithole house costs close to 1 Million or in say Revelstoke where housing is on par for price to Calgary because a ski hill development got through and magically thr price of a house went through the roof allmost instantly.

Welcome to BC politics....sure am glad I dont have that type of situation in Alberta...even if we have all hell for a basement.

SR[/QUOTE]

I guess you've missed the last 12 years of Liberal theft and rewarding insiders.

No, $70 won't lift many kids out of poverty, but it's $70 more than they had under the current government.

Just like raising the minimum wage a dollar won't make anyone rich, it is still better than leaving the min wage the same rate for a decade while you make sure your own bloated MLA salary and pension gets increased. The hole Liberal decade has been one of backroom deals we'll be paying off for centuries.

I am rich and I have no problem paying extra taxes for the handicapped, poor and elderly - people the Liberals have short-changed or attacked to pay millions for worthless, partisan TV ads, useless Bollywood parties and paying off criminals.

 

[badbadboy]

I honestly don't care who wins. Whoever does win will spend their term rewarding their insiders with plum jobs at high salaries and patting each other on the back not giving a shit how much they raise taxes or what BS programs they will offer the poor and under privileged. No matter how much money you throw at poverty, it will never be enough and with half our taxes already going to health care; good luck bleeding more blood out of a stone.

I still want to know more about the Basi Virk case but will probably find out who really shot JFK before that info becomes public.

I have checked out all the candidates in my riding and am sorely disappointed the Rhino's don't have a candidate because the rest of these bobble heads will do jack shit for my riding; unless of course you count voting the party line which of course they will all do.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

"...If the BC Sex Party doesn’t field any candidates in this election then we’re all screwed."

http://bc2013.com/2013/02/11/political-party-deregistration-and-minor-parties

 

[Master69]

I am rich and I have no problem paying extra taxes for the handicapped, poor and elderly - people the Liberals have short-changed or attacked to pay millions for worthless, partisan TV ads, useless Bollywood parties and paying off criminals.

Just because you can afford to be a socialist, doesn't mean the rest of us can. I'm poor. May I send my bill for socialism to you, and you can cover it. Thanks comrade CT, I love you like a brother, and I'm sure you love me the same way too.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Just because you can afford to be a socialist, doesn't mean the rest of us can. I'm poor. May I send my bill for socialism to you, and you can cover it. Thanks comrade CT, I love you like a brother, and I'm sure you love me the same way too.

Well, if you haven't been paying attention the "low tax" Liberals have upped just about every service fee to pay for Gordon Campbell's original tax cuts. To make up fo those cuts he had to break a promise on no expanded gambling to raise another billion, but they squandered that, too. Your MSP premiums are the highest in the country, you pay more for every fee and service from property taxes to electricity to driver's licences. BC Hydro is so far in debt it will never be paid off because the Liberals use it as a cash cow. Same for ICBC . BC Ferries was turned into an almost Crown Corp, had it's debt wiped out and now is back in billion dollar debt territory. Explain that. Translink is a never-ending disaster.

The natural gas revenues from the northeast have also been wasted. Now it's the mystical, magical liquid natural gas that Chrisy thinks will magically appear.

Look - NDP are fuck-ups and will have their scandals, but the Liberals are even bigger fuck-ups and have no compassion to boot. They had their kick at the can for 12 years. You can't reward them for their fuck ups over and over.

NOTHING could be worse than a party led by the over-ambitious, power-mad, unprincipled bimbo in there now. I really think the breast to brain equation really applies to her.

 

[wilde]

NOTHING could be worse than a party led by the over-ambitious, power-mad, unprincipled bimbo in there now. I really think the breast to brain equation really applies to her.

Actually there is, a party led by a semi-socialist who has no idea how he is going to pay for all his campaign promises and will plunge this province back into the financial dark ages.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hey Wilde,

On a more serious note WTF is going on with your Habs?
My Jets could have used a little help on Saturday. I know Washington has been red hot and Ovie has rediscovered his game but it would have been nice for the Canadiens to have beat them.

Cheers

 

[wilde]

Hey Wilde,

On a more serious note WTF is going on with your Habs?
My Jets could have used a little help on Saturday. I know Washington has been red hot and Ovie has rediscovered his game but it would have been nice for the Canadiens to have beat them.

Cheers

I think their lack of size and their system (5 men swarm) are catching up to them...

 

[Cock Throppled]

Actually there is, a party led by a semi-socialist who has no idea how he is going to pay for all his campaign promises and will plunge this province back into the financial dark ages.

You mean something like this? This should given even Liberal supporters pause.


http://thecanadian.org/item/2045-bc-liberal-legacy-a-huge-debt-burden

 

[wilde]

You mean something like this? This should given even Liberal supporters pause.


http://thecanadian.org/item/2045-bc-liberal-legacy-a-huge-debt-burden

I will vote for the crooked Liberals and you are free to vote for the commies NDP. Keep the rhetoric coming though, it's pretty entertaining.

 

[Sleepmonger]

You mean something like this? This should given even Liberal supporters pause.


http://thecanadian.org/item/2045-bc-liberal-legacy-a-huge-debt-burden

That link doesnt mention anything about what the "additional $96.374 billion in contractual obligations" actually are.

http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/ocg/pa/11_12/Contractual_Obligations.pdf

If you take a look at this you will note that 72.6 billion of those obligations are for 2018 and beyond. That beyond contains a great deal of 50-100 year contracts. These obligations are being treated like debt by the ndp campaign, but these contracts are for important services (ferries, power generation, ect), are ongoing and modifiable, and were drawn up years ago.

 

[wilde]

So then Crooked Commies would be the middle ground for all to agree on?

LOL, that sounds about right...

 

[Sleepmonger]

I'm not sure if this discussion is federal or provincial, the op is federal but most of the discussion is provincial.

There's not much we can do provincially, an ndp majority will be voted in, and the province will be worse off for it. I personally don't mind the tax increases to high wage earners, or corporations, as mine is registered in Alberta.

I don’t know about others, but If I know I will have residence in BC on December 31st, I pay myself no bonus that year, living off a modest salary, and taking advantage of B.C.'s wonderful 5%, 7.7% and 10.5% brackets, while paying the remainder out at a flat 10% the next year in Alberta.

What does concern me is when their socialist policies start hampering growth not only in BC, but farther east as well. Yeah they voted socialism off their party constitution, but they sure never voted it out of their mindset.

I don’t even want to talk about them getting in federally…

 

[storm rider]

I'm not sure if this discussion is federal or provincial, the op is federal but most of the discussion is provincial.

There's not much we can do provincially, an ndp majority will be voted in, and the province will be worse off for it. I personally don't mind the tax increases to high wage earners, or corporations, as mine is registered in Alberta.

I don’t know about others, but If I know I will have residence in BC on December 31st, I pay myself no bonus that year, living off a modest salary, and taking advantage of B.C.'s wonderful 5%, 7.7% and 10.5% brackets, while paying the remainder out at a flat 10% the next year in Alberta.

What does concern me is when their socialist policies start hampering growth not only in BC, but farther east as well. Yeah they voted socialism off their party constitution, but they sure never voted it out of their mindset.

I don’t even want to talk about them getting in federally…

No worries for the NDP Federally....Justin Trudeau will swoop in like a Puruvian skydiver and save the day by splitting the leftist vote(whilst Elizabeth May yaps off in her shrill leftist commie voice not to split the vote and opt for targetted electoral victory) and taking the official opposition status from the NDP.Basically the liberals will take back most if not all of the gains made by the NDP in the last Federal election due to the fact that the late Mr.Layton is not at the helm of the NDP party.The NDP and that ass clown Mulcair will be reduced to 3rd party status which is proper.

As for the next Federal election it will be about money raising potentially...money for the campaignes of the respective parties and one thing I as a tax payer am happy about is the end of tax payer subsidies to political parties in general.As a tax payer I seriously FUCKING object that ANY political party gets a subsidy from tax payer dollars based on the number of votes they got in any election or and subsidy at all.All of the opposition parties fought the bill in the house of commons tooth and nail.Mainly because leftist voters may support a particular political agenda but they sure as hell dont stick a crowbar in their respective wallets to support it,so why should tax payers have that subsidy put on their backs?

Yeah the NDP will most likely win the BC election but in 4 years from now how much will the citizens of BC regret it?After the scandals and kickbacks and the patronage appointments?After the increasing of the welfare payments to the masses and the tax increases on those who work hard?After all the broken promises and revenue projections that come to a dead end?

All I can say is I am glad I live in Alberta and I wish King Ralph had not handed the reigns of power to that idiot Stellmach nor to his replacement Redford,he should have ran Alberta for another 4 years and handed the province to someone who could do the job as well as him.

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

I will vote for the crooked Liberals and you are free to vote for the commies NDP. Keep the rhetoric coming though, it's pretty entertaining.

That site isn't partisan, or blind rhetoric - it's a solid look at the numbers and the obligations the Liberals have locked us inot for decades, if not more (the BC Rail lease is 999 years - WTF?).

I assume your love of the Liberals means there is essentially nothing they could do short of shooting your dog that would make you vote against them. When does belief in their propaganda become nothing more than blind obedience?

Don't vote NDP - vote Con, Green, Marijuana or anything else, but how stupid does one have to be to reward a government for their incompetence, lies and theft?

 

[Ray]

It says something about the NDP when, in spite of the incompetence and corruption, a significant number of voters would prefer the Liberals over the NDP.

 

[Sleepmonger]

Don't vote NDP - vote Con, Green, Marijuana or anything else, but how stupid does one have to be to reward a government for their incompetence, lies and theft?

The Con representative in my riding is actually the best candidate in the area, and I don't particularly like the liberals, but unfortunately, a vote for them (Con,Green,Pot) is a vote for the NDP, and if my vote has any power, that is what I am voting against, not that it's going to do any good.

I would like to extend the same plea to those who plan to vote NDP purely because they are unhappy with the liberals, vote green! NDP policies arent that far off, and they will likely do just as much damage to the economy as the green party... come on, lay down your vote for the environment!

If we can just get enough NDPers voting green we could end up with an NDP minority, I'd be alright with that as long as the liberals and conservatives had enough seats combined to outvote them.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I actually agree.

I'm not that fond of the NDP, either, but I despise the faux Liberals and their incompetent leader with a passion I've never had before against any government. If enough people feel a candidate other than the 2 main parties is the best candidate you should vote for them. It's all the blind followers of the two parties that result in the pathetic governments we've been saddled with.