Fidel Castro../..Trudeau

[uncleg]

Castro was what he was, there have been worse..much worse and I really don't want this to be a "who's the worse dictator" thread. My question is, what do you think of our Prime Minister and how he is dealing/has dealt with this ?

Was he too profuse in praising Castro as a leader ? Under the circumstances, probably yes...though considering the family ties, understandable. For me personally I don't feel he embarrassed himself or Canada. The fact that he is not attending the funeral is to me a bigger embarrassment to Canada and to himself then anything he has said. At the very least, he should attend as a private citizen though I guess it would be hard to divorce himself from the office. If he wants to use the excuse of "the schedule" then he should send down mom and the wife to represent the family.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

While I'm not surprised given Trudeau is a bumbling, noephyte when it comes to diplomacy, I would have expected his team who are supposed to "vet" his speeches actually let him say what he said.
His comments were problematic because he injected his personal feelings.
Whatever his personal remembrances and thoughts are regarding Fidel Castro, he was a dictator.
For the Trudeau to represent himself as the Prime Minister of a country, from which millions have sacrificed fighting against so much of what Castro represented, and heap praise upon this ruthless despot is inexcusable.
Very poor judgement by all involved.

 

[NDog090]

I wonder what Trudeau would say if Hitler or Stalin were still alive. Praising Castro proves our PM is throwing his nations people under the bus and making other countries a priority, just like his father.

 

[vanessa kelly]

Was he praising or just leaving out what people knew and choose to mention the good, after all the Cubans that LIVE in CUBA are not dancing in the streets they are lining up by the millions to show their respect. In Alberta there was a passing of a politician in a plane crash even those who did not agree with all he represented they spoke of the good he did ... just saying

I wonder what Trudeau would say if Hitler or Stalin were still alive. Praising Castro proves our PM is throwing his nations people under the bus and making other countries a priority, just like his father.

 

[vanessa kelly]

Castro was what he was, there have been worse..much worse and I really don't want this to be a "who's the worse dictator" thread. My question is, what do you think of our Prime Minister and how he is dealing/has dealt with this ?

For me personally I don't feel he embarrassed himself or Canada. The fact that he is not attending the funeral is to me a bigger embarrassment to Canada and to himself then anything he has said. At the very least, he should attend as a private citizen though I guess it would be hard to divorce himself from the office. If he wants to use the excuse of "the schedule" then he should send down mom and the wife to represent the family.

Agree to this :sad:

 

[Cock Throppled]

Nothing too out of line in Trudeau's comments.
He should stick to his guns and attend the funeral.
Castro was infinitely better for Cubans than Batista, whom America supported.
The worst accusations about Castro come from rich Cubans in Miami who lost property when Castro took over and have harboured a grudge for 50 years.

 

[rlock]

Castro was what he was, there have been worse..much worse and I really don't want this to be a "who's the worse dictator" thread. My question is, what do you think of our Prime Minister and how he is dealing/has dealt with this ?

Was he too profuse in praising Castro as a leader ? Under the circumstances, probably yes...though considering the family ties, understandable. For me personally I don't feel he embarrassed himself or Canada. The fact that he is not attending the funeral is to me a bigger embarrassment to Canada and to himself then anything he has said. At the very least, he should attend as a private citizen though I guess it would be hard to divorce himself from the office. If he wants to use the excuse of "the schedule" then he should send down mom and the wife to represent the family.

I do not think he was too gung-ho about it, and the reaction of conservatives was predictable - but as you say, as much as a comparison with other leaders / countries would be useful, there's the problem of turning it into a "who's the worse dictator" thread, which country has more blood on their hands and why, etc. ... Too contentious for a PERB thread.

For me, such praise is no big deal, though I do think that Trudeau's made one mistake here: he reversed himself on what he said, due to opposition & media pressure. If he meant it, he should have stuck by it - show some cojones, as Castro's ghost might say.

 

[MrBrown]

I'll keep it short. Castro was a dictator and a murderer. Trudeaus is an idiot.
The rest of you giving him a pass (likely because you voted for him) at this fumble are either uneducated or hypocrites.

 

[badbadboy]

Like any Prime Minister, Trudeau should attend Castro's funeral. Be damned what the USA thinks on this one. Especially now with the Orange Haired Dorito.

Look at the list of Dictators the USA has either overtly or covertly supported over the years:

The Shah of Iran

Saddam Hussein

Augusto Pinochet - CIA had a hand in the assassination of Salvadore Allende because of his Socialism.

Pol Pot - CIA accused of supporting Khmer Rouge

Now unless the US Govt finally opens up the sealed documents about the JFK assassination and they find Castro had a hand in it; I am saying Castro is the lesser of any of the evils listed above. If he had a hand in it, yah that puts him in the same company.

FFS the Bay of Pigs was in 1961 and the Cuban Missile crisis was in 1962. 55 years ago!

I am certain the whole anti Cuba anti Castro contingent all were pissed at Cuba Nationalizing American owned assets.

 

[johnsmit]

I think it us a little late to criticize what our priminister say.
CANADA has had a freindy relationship with Castros Cuba for 45 yrs .
We trade with them. And tourist have gone from Canada to Cuba.
The truth is it help to stop them from completely relieing on the USSR and China. We were the little hope for change.

As for what castro was ,yes he was a dictator and did some shitty things. .But considering the was the country was before.. it was corrupt and run by organized crime.It was the play pen if the rich and they got a way with murder there.

CUBA needed something for the people and revolution was all there was . It was a different time and place then now .
And when it comes to our shit does not stink. .we still have a few piles that should be shovel before we stand up as the land of the free and riechious.

 

[overdone]

Like any Prime Minister, Trudeau should attend Castro's funeral. Be damned what the USA thinks on this one. Especially now with the Orange Haired Dorito.

Look at the list of Dictators the USA has either overtly or covertly supported over the years:

The Shah of Iran

Saddam Hussein

Augusto Pinochet - CIA had a hand in the assassination of Salvadore Allende because of his Socialism.

Pol Pot - CIA accused of supporting Khmer Rouge

Now unless the US Govt finally opens up the sealed documents about the JFK assassination and they find Castro had a hand in it; I am saying Castro is the lesser of any of the evils listed above. If he had a hand in it, yah that puts him in the same company.

FFS the Bay of Pigs was in 1961 and the Cuban Missile crisis was in 1962. 55 years ago!

I am certain the whole anti Cuba anti Castro contingent all were pissed at Cuba Nationalizing American owned assets.

and look at who Trudeau is giving your money to now

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-funding-palestinian-restored-1.3852779

Look at the faction of the Chinese Dictatorship that he's taking money from, for the Liberals and his family foundation

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chinese-fundraiser-trudeau-statue-1.3863266

Trudeau is a 4 faced lying sack of shit, he talks out of his ass/face, in French/English depending on who's cock he's trying to suck at that particular point in time

he has no ethics

that should have been clear when he was taking money for speaking, from Gov't org's, charities, ect.... when he was suppose to be in the house doing his job, (SPEAKING) which he was already being overpaid for, when he was a useless MP

little wonder he's a useless PM

so who gives a ff what others do, I live in Canada, I expect better

but don't despair, there are only what 50-60 more Dictators/Military Despots/Tyrants in their late 60's, 70's from his favorite club the UN

he'll have plenty of Funerals to get his picture take at

 

[masterblaster]

Trudeau is an embarrassment to Canada. What other world leader heaped such fawning praise on a communist dictator who oppressed the Cuban people for 50 plus years? Answer none. We have an idiot leading our country that's why he made such a ridiculous statement. Anybody agrees with what he said, move to Cuba.

 

[PuntMeister]

Castro is an interesting historical case. I hear a lot of emotional sweeping statements, but I wonder if CNN is behind it all. Castro must be evil because who else but the devil could oust a well-heeled tyrant with a bunch of peasants (plus Che), outwit the all-powerful yanks at almost every turn, stick to his beliefs for an independent Cuba despite being embargoed, and didn't blink or swerve when JFK wanted to play military chicken with a much smaller nation that took his dirty little playground away. His policies for free education and healthcare are truly dastardly, since the US doesn't do this it must be a really bad idea. And then there's that credible list of all the citizens he had murdered, except the boatload of crooks he sent to Florida or something. Yup, cut and dried case for sure. Disgusting that the leader of our great nation of Canada would toss a bone to this disruptive ass that kept meddling in other nations affairs.

 

[Warl0ck]

In the early days, Fidel & Che were heroes. They took back the Cuba that was under the control of American imperialism. Che, as a soldier, carried himself extremely professionally. He executed anyone that dared hurt a Cuban. It's not about the revolution but after it.

Fidel exiled over 1.5 million people. He rounded up gays and put them in camps only to terrorize & murdered some of them. Thousand of Cubans took the risk of swimming 90 miles to Key West Florida in the hopes of a new life. I've been to Cuba. A local woman attempting to come to your room or socializing with you can result in her being imprisoned.

Just because someone gives away free education and health care doesn't make them OK. Just like it doesn't make "Hamas" OK. Castro was a dictator. Castro and Che became all they were "against" in the revolution. Democracy is about differing opinions & the freedom to espouse those opinions. That didn't happen in Cuba. We seem to idolize goons in these modern times, the Rob Fords, the Che's, the Castros..what's next. ?

 

[rlock]

D****d T***** ?

:drum:

 

[summerbreeze]

interesting what ted turner's take on Castro was

having met him a couple of times, turner went from despising Castro to becoming friends with him

look it up if you are interested, chairman of CNN was a well traveled man of the world and very opinionated, very capitalistic

obviously Turner found something to respect with him

 

[Hugh Jass]

interesting what ted turner's take on Castro was

having met him a couple of times, turner went from despising Castro to becoming friends with him

look it up if you are interested, chairman of CNN was a well traveled man of the world and very opinionated, very capitalistic

obviously Turner found something to respect with him

Nice but have you ever been there? Cubans lived their lives in fear, they could not directly tell you that but it would be intimated in virtually every conversation I had. The Batista regime was corrupt and brutal but Castro's in the end was not much better. Note that he died one of the worlds wealthiest men with properties all over South America and a luxurious island hideaway while his people lived in poverty.
http://www.news.com.au/world/fidel-...e/news-story/6e40f9baa962854f3d704500723575cb

But hey he would have fit right in on here what with his insatiable sexual appetite and his nickname.. the "Horse".

In any event, while its great that everyone got a free education and health care, what good is the education if you cannot use it to your advantage financially or the health care when all it does is elongate a miserable life of poverty induced by the state.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Look at the faction of the Chinese Dictatorship that he's taking money from, for the Liberals and his family foundation

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chinese-fundraiser-trudeau-statue-1.3863266

That one is right out of the Hillary Clinton playbook. Justin is a fast learner.

 

[vanessa kelly]

Nice but have you ever been there? Cubans lived their lives in fear, they could not directly tell you that but it would be intimated in virtually every conversation I had. The Batista regime was corrupt and brutal but Castro's in the end was not much better. Note that he died one of the worlds wealthiest men with properties all over South America and a luxurious island hideaway while his people lived in poverty.
http://www.news.com.au/world/fidel-...e/news-story/6e40f9baa962854f3d704500723575cb

But hey he would have fit right in on here what with his insatiable sexual appetite and his nickname.. the "Horse".

In any event, while its great that everyone got a free education and health care, what good is the education if you cannot use it to your advantage financially or the health care when all it does is elongate a miserable life of poverty induced by the state.

First let me start by saying I do not want to get into an argument and in no way am I defending or agreeing with some of the things Fidel did. I CAN say that Cuba is VERY familiar to me as I have spent in just the last year alone almost 1/2 my time in there ... I will add that only two weeks were spent sitting on a beach in a lounge chair... the very first time in Varadero with a client and the second time this August in Havana in a Resort where for one months salary a Cuban resident can spend the day/night ...
Personally I stay in a Casa and walk along side the average everyday Cuban, I walk past goats , chickens, dogs, even pigs on my way to have my morning coffee ... I have friends/Family that range from cooking at the local Rapido Café, to those hustle CDz, a janitor at the hospital, stay at home moms to Lawyers, Doctors and Police Officers ... it is a diverse circle
Something I have noticed through all this is that those who have left Cuba and become Americanised are dancing in the streets and yet those who live everyday of their lives in this Country (Cuba) are mourning, and it is all generations ... The friends I have in Canada from Cuba are divided on how they feel ... the ones that were pretty much raised in Canada from little are happy yet those who moved here at an older age say they feel they have lost someone very special...
There is something about being in Cuba and anybody who has spent time there and I am not talking resorts will agree that you will never find more positive, family oriented, humble, so so smart a Cuban can make something out of nothing and find a solution for everything...lol...
It breaks my heart some of the circumstances they have to live under ... there is also a lot we can take from that Country and RE APPLY because there was a time the little things mattered in our Country ... well that was before technology
Just my thoughts ...
Dr. Vanessa Kelly

 

[Hugh Jass]

I stayed in a Casa particulaire as well, not in a resort and spent most of my time in Havana though I met a black girlfriend who took me out to her home in the countryside. Cuban people are truly amazing and as you say very resourceful and have made the most out of a very difficult situation. I wish them all the best in these times ahead that will drastically change their lives, whether for the better or worse its hard to say. I guess I just noticed a different tone than you did. The police treated the tourists like myself like gold but the general Cuban public seemed to live in abject fear of them and seemed very careful how they phrased anything relating to their situations to keep it from sounding too negative. Just my personal observations.