Fatigue

[FreeG]

This isn’t a thread on post-Covid fatigue /long-Covid.
Rather, it’s a thread on the fatigue over, welll, just about everything else related to this pandemic (sob!)

What is definitely irking me these days, more than the misinformation and hoarding earlier, if you can believe it, is the lack of information and consistency within govt responses. I can usually defend a policy if it’s based on some data or logic, but I’m just not seeing it these days (for arguments sake, let’s stick to BC for now).

One Covid case in a restaurant? Close it down! 30 cases in a school?Nothing to worry about, keep going to school kiddo’s! No cases in gyms? (That I’ve seen/heard) Close them down! (yes they’re re-opened but why guns closed? Where was the data to show they were hot-spots?) Think you have Covid? Don’t get tested so you’ll just guess if you have it or not (but we’ll make decisions based on numbers from… the most severe cases I guess?). Contact tracing? Too hard, don’t worry about it….

I get that Omicron is a different animal than Delta but the lack of consistent methodology, data, and messaging is what really fatigues me. I can wear a mask all day, every day, not a big deal. I’ve no problem getting vax’d (and really don’t understand the perspective of those who don’t, given all the info out there, but that’s probably a different thread altogether). I’ve no problem staying away from people (kinda prefer it actually! Lol). But the lack of data sharing and lack of consistent actions is maddening. I was pretty pro-Horgan/Henry in the beginning but lately have no faith they are acting in the best interests of citizens, but rather with haphazard response and hopes for ok outcomes.

My biggest fear with Omicron isn’t getting it (what data I’ve seen indicates it’s much less severe) but rather that as this continues to drag out, it’ll morph into something more severe again (worse than Delta) and continue to ravage lives and medical systems.

Rant complete, have a lovely day!

 

[FreeG]

It’s a shame the trucker thread went off the rails because it raises a few germane points to my above frustrations:
- where’s the data showing (predominantly solo) truckers are spreaders?
- truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?
(not that I’m a strong supporter of this convoy; I fear the majority of those truckers are pawns who won’t see a dime of donations after spending hundreds in gas to drive across the country, but again, separate thread if it gets re-raised)
- and has been stated numerous times: where’s the rage and fury been over First Nations and numerous minority groups being ignored and living in sub-standard conditions (I think many know the answer to this one, it’s just frustrating that it has to be said and re-said repeatedly). I acknowledge that my frustrations fit squarely in this question and I admit I have no good answer as to why i haven’t taken up action on these topics…; human nature seems to dictate that the problems closest to us demand our attention the most, but that’s never a legit excuse…

 

[LM987]

My educated guess it wasn't that the drivers would catch it driving in the US as much as it was making them in the same position as any other worker crossing the border. ie athletes, pilots, actors,etc and even tourists.

And I also think it's more about thembeing
antivax, anti government...
Do they also not realize that the politicians they want to influence are not even at their destination?

 

[masterpoonhunter]

You're right.
The Fatigue is very high and it could extend to a lot more than what is noted above.
A good therapist will point out things you can control and what you can't. Works for me to reduce the R A G E and the fatigue.
Cheers

 

[westwoody]

First Nations

Wetsuwetin (sp?) block road in the middle of nowhere-
Jason Kenney/Max Bernier/Pierre Polievre want life in prison for interfering with critical infrastructure, send in hundreds of RCMP swat troops

Trucker Yellow Vest rednecks block Trans Canada, mob homeless shelter taking food meant for homeless, swarm shopping center, harass retail workers, fuck up everyone in downtown Ottawa -
Bernier, Polievre, Bergen: Let’s support these guys!

Convoy has nothing to do with vax.
Pure Wexit anti Lib crap.
Political theatre with truckers as pawns.

 

[uncleg]

Fatigue is right, tired of nonsense, tired of misinformation....really tired of too much information. Why are we listening to Ontario, Quebec...etc..etc..updates. Don't care, don't want to know. If there's something new, tell us....don't need to hear the same shit repeated day after day.

 

[Soccerbud89]

It’s a shame the trucker thread went off the rails because it raises a few germane points to my above frustrations:
- where’s the data showing (predominantly solo) truckers are spreaders?
- truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?
(not that I’m a strong supporter of this convoy; I fear the majority of those truckers are pawns who won’t see a dime of donations after spending hundreds in gas to drive across the country, but again, separate thread if it gets re-raised)
- and has been stated numerous times: where’s the rage and fury been over First Nations and numerous minority groups being ignored and living in sub-standard conditions (I think many know the answer to this one, it’s just frustrating that it has to be said and re-said repeatedly). I acknowledge that my frustrations fit squarely in this question and I admit I have no good answer as to why i haven’t taken up action on these topics…; human nature seems to dictate that the problems closest to us demand our attention the most, but that’s never a legit excuse…

“truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?” many people lost their ability to work because of a vaccine. Truckers are standing up for every human. Your right to put something in your body is a right given by god and no government or person should ever take that away. I stand proudly for everyone fighting for their right to choose how they live their life.

if people want to vaccinated, wear mask, online shop, not leave the house; by all mean do so. But your (not you per say) fear shouldn’t make it mandatory to be a part of society

 

[Lo-ki]

“truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?” many people lost their ability to work because of a vaccine. Truckers are standing up for every human. Your right to put something in your body is a right given by god and no government or person should ever take that away. I stand proudly for everyone fighting for their right to choose how they live their life.

if people want to vaccinated, wear mask, online shop, not leave the house; by all mean do so. But your (not you per say) fear shouldn’t make it mandatory to be a part of society

Because Tam the man and Trudeau the turd says so…..simple..
COVID isn’t medical….it’s political….

 

[FreeG]

“truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?” many people lost their ability to work because of a vaccine. Truckers are standing up for every human. Your right to put something in your body is a right given by god and no government or person should ever take that away. I stand proudly for everyone fighting for their right to choose how they live their life.

if people want to vaccinated, wear mask, online shop, not leave the house; by all mean do so. But your (not you per say) fear shouldn’t make it mandatory to be a part of society

This is where I vehemently disagree:
The key aspect of vax and wearing masks isn’t just to protect ME but to also protect OTHERS.
Masks are most effective at preventing asymptomatic spread of the aerosol/droplets (more so when others also wearing masks).
The less people get COVID, the less ICU’s get filled, the more able the medical system can handle other things, normal surgeries, less burnout, etc, etc
The less people get Covid, the less people who have “long Covid”, the chronic issues that affect peoples lives and medical system for who knows how long.
The less people get Covid, the less people who have weaker systems will die.

I’ll admit Omicron has changed the discussion a bit - it’s less severe, less people dying, less impact in icu’s, but maybe thats also because of greater vax rates leading up to omicron spread (literature seems split on this, less clear than vax effectiveness on Delta variant).

So bottom line to me: you really can’t wear a mask? It’s THAT much of an insult to you with the positive impact being that you may be helping others?? Millions of people are fleeing their homes in Ukraine (not to mention millions of others in non-white countries doing similar over the last decade) and a fkn piece of cloth is causing people to lose their minds?? GIMME A FKN BREAK!! Man up and wear a fkn mask!

Now what about vax mandates? I’ll admit, if the only vax available was Astro, I was actually hesitant myself. Many friends took it without thought but the potential side effects gave me pause. Once Pfizer came available, no question - it coincided with uptick of Delta and reduced side effects, and I’ve had 3 shots (3rd was Moderna), no problem. But I do get the hesitation. Is it worth clogging up streets, honking horns, ranting and raving?? No… see above for the societal impacts of maximizing vax usage throughout society. You DO have a choice - you can also NOt go to a place they requires proof of vax, you can also get a job somewhere else (correct me if I’m wrong, but the only truckers affected by this mandate were those crossing the us border. Canada-only truckers were not required and the trucking industry is also against mandates, I believe. But it’s also the US that requires vax so the full blame doesn’t just lie with Trudeau and Co )

Was Trudeau a coward in not addressing the truckers? Yes, he was. While I don’t agree with the protesters, people have a full right to protest. You can protest the world is flat for all I care. You’d be wrong and as long as you’re not impeding my daily life, have at it. Whether all the stories of truckers harassing local biz and causing mayhem is true or partially true shouldn’t detract from the fact that protesting is a right, BUT shouldn’t overly impede on the rights of others (for example, I’m as against old-growth logging as anyone, but when the protests against logging shut down major arteries on the island, i think they’re actually LOSING support.).

 

[Soccerbud89]

This is where I vehemently disagree:
The key aspect of vax and wearing masks isn’t just to protect ME but to also protect OTHERS.
Masks are most effective at preventing asymptomatic spread of the aerosol/droplets (more so when others also wearing masks).
The less people get COVID, the less ICU’s get filled, the more able the medical system can handle other things, normal surgeries, less burnout, etc, etc
The less people get Covid, the less people who have “long Covid”, the chronic issues that affect peoples lives and medical system for who knows how long.
The less people get Covid, the less people who have weaker systems will die.

I’ll admit Omicron has changed the discussion a bit - it’s less severe, less people dying, less impact in icu’s, but maybe thats also because of greater vax rates leading up to omicron spread (literature seems split on this, less clear than vax effectiveness on Delta variant).

So bottom line to me: you really can’t wear a mask? It’s THAT much of an insult to you with the positive impact being that you may be helping others?? Millions of people are fleeing their homes in Ukraine (not to mention millions of others in non-white countries doing similar over the last decade) and a fkn piece of cloth is causing people to lose their minds?? GIMME A FKN BREAK!! Man up and wear a fkn mask!

Now what about vax mandates? I’ll admit, if the only vax available was Astro, I was actually hesitant myself. Many friends took it without thought but the potential side effects gave me pause. Once Pfizer came available, no question - it coincided with uptick of Delta and reduced side effects, and I’ve had 3 shots (3rd was Moderna), no problem. But I do get the hesitation. Is it worth clogging up streets, honking horns, ranting and raving?? No… see above for the societal impacts of maximizing vax usage throughout society. You DO have a choice - you can also NOt go to a place they requires proof of vax, you can also get a job somewhere else (correct me if I’m wrong, but the only truckers affected by this mandate were those crossing the us border. Canada-only truckers were not required and the trucking industry is also against mandates, I believe. But it’s also the US that requires vax so the full blame doesn’t just lie with Trudeau and Co )

Was Trudeau a coward in not addressing the truckers? Yes, he was. While I don’t agree with the protesters, people have a full right to protest. You can protest the world is flat for all I care. You’d be wrong and as long as you’re not impeding my daily life, have at it. Whether all the stories of truckers harassing local biz and causing mayhem is true or partially true shouldn’t detract from the fact that protesting is a right, BUT shouldn’t overly impede on the rights of others (for example, I’m as against old-growth logging as anyone, but when the protests against logging shut down major arteries on the island, i think they’re actually LOSING support.).

“you can also NOt go to a place they requires proof of vax, you can also get a job somewhere else” - all places require proof of vaccination.

look, if people want to get 5x vax, wear a diaper on their face, work from home, by all means do it. That’s their choice. I on the other hand, want to see people smile again. Western society is not built for masks. Now, if you’re going to wear a mask, wear the right one and wear it correctly, don’t touch it, and change it every time you do touch it. That’s the correct way to wear mask. We’re all guilty of reusing a mask. Is that aseptic? Absolutely not. Why do we do it? To protect others of course. Unfortunately, I protect myself first; as of course, everyone should be doing.
After 2 years of this virus, experts say the only solution is a vaccine. BS. Exercise, healthy diet, vitamins. That’s what helps. If you’re immune compromised, take it. But don’t make your fear of a virus be a reason k have to wear a mask and forced vaccination.

“day 730 on 14 day plan to slow the spread”.
“80% vaccine till masks come off”
“ 90% vaccinated: we need 100”.

It’s time your masks comes off and you open you eyes

 

[80watts]

It’s a shame the trucker thread went off the rails because it raises a few germane points to my above frustrations:
- where’s the data showing (predominantly solo) truckers are spreaders?
- truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?
(not that I’m a strong supporter of this convoy; I fear the majority of those truckers are pawns who won’t see a dime of donations after spending hundreds in gas to drive across the country, but again, separate thread if it gets re-raised)
- and has been stated numerous times: where’s the rage and fury been over First Nations and numerous minority groups being ignored and living in sub-standard conditions (I think many know the answer to this one, it’s just frustrating that it has to be said and re-said repeatedly). I acknowledge that my frustrations fit squarely in this question and I admit I have no good answer as to why i haven’t taken up action on these topics…; human nature seems to dictate that the problems closest to us demand our attention the most, but that’s never a legit excuse…

First Nations were a priority for vaccinations when they first came out.
First Nation sub standard living conditions, most are causes by the chief and councilors of first nations (Creating a have and have not society within a reservation). Pls check on their overseas accounts with no treaty with Canada (so called tax havens). Improper care of houses and community buildings and infrastructure, or let to run down on purpose, not due to lack of funding by federal authorities (more likely a misallocation of funds). Basically First Nations did not look after the infrastructure, because they were lazy, and did not want white man ways.

First nations have always had the right to go to university for free. Reserves not wanting to educate the people on the reserves, and to be able to control them in the future, a lack of elementary education, and high school, pre-empted any university degrees. Reserves with high rates of drug and alcohol addiction also would not have high educational rates (So drugs and alcohol are rampant).

There is only so much Cdn taxpayers can give out for free, before the Reserves themselves have to take their own fate into their own hands.
Yes both sides are to blame for shit conditions, but the federal government is trying to help, now the Reserves have to admit to their own mistakes...
So the story goes: while the people were getting drunk and stoned, the counselors were pocketing the money for the reserve into off shore bank accounts. PM Harper was doing this, until Trudeau got elected with a miracle majority which nobody expected.....

 

[80watts]

“truckers were crossing the border at all times of this pandemic, why now must they lose their ability to work?” many people lost their ability to work because of a vaccine. Truckers are standing up for every human. Your right to put something in your body is a right given by god and no government or person should ever take that away. I stand proudly for everyone fighting for their right to choose how they live their life.

if people want to vaccinated, wear mask, online shop, not leave the house; by all mean do so. But your (not you per say) fear shouldn’t make it mandatory to be a part of society

I disagree. Truckers were pissed off the rules had changed yet again. The dumb fucks that believe vaccinations would kill them (because they believed false media or someone they followed said so- who had no medical degee).
The history of mass vaccination has been beneficial to the human race, and will continue in the future to help save billion of lives. Since the advent of anti-vaxers (started by religious nuts), previously controlled diseases like polio, measles, chicken pox ( some erradicated by the 1970s) have started to pop up again in clusters. Especially in places like Africa and religious communities in the US and western countries.

So you think your god gives you the right to put alcohol, heroin, cocaine, meth into your body; its not god, it is you who choses what to put into your body. That is a very bad excuse to do drugs. God made me do drugs....
So God made you do drugs, but he'll stop you from putting something in your body that could save your life.... How fucken ironic!!!

The government has the right to protect the population, through limiting where you drink alcohol in order to protect the public. You can't drink and drive. The government has taken away your choice to drink and drive. Why? To protect the public. And they will punish you if you drink and drive.

You can choose how to live your life, but not at the public (everyone else's) expense. Your choices can't harm other people. Like drinking and driving.

Mass vaccination has helped the population in the past with the polio and measles shots. Through the Covid 19 vaccinations has given people's bodies a chance to make anti-bodies to fight forms of covid 19. People since they got vaccinated, are not going to the hospital and fighting for their lives, only the unvaccinated last year were in the hospitals fighting for their lives.
Yup the Anti-vaxcers and the unvaccinated are the only ones causing problems for the hospital stays for Covid these days. Allthough now the Covid 19 variants have been spread throughout the populace, any anti-vaxer and anybody not vaccinated now have been exposed to Covid by now.

So why are the mask coming off. With enough variants going thru the populace of vaccinated and unvaccinated, every one has been exposed to the Covid 19 strains. Now the group the Covid will hit will the hardest will be the immune compromised people (older people and people sick from other diseases) . The key to the pandemic was to slow down the transmission rate, so that the hospitals and set up clinics could cope with the very large influx of infected people (Mar/Apr 2020). Keep that low. Find a vaccine (which at the start experts expected - 18 months before a vaccine could be made). A vaccination was made within a year by RNA. New technology, so people waited a couple a months and by summer time more were getting vaccinated (summer 2021). New Covid 19 variants came out and the vaccination helped with hospitalization rates (lower than what was expected), while the unvaxed were turning up the hospitalization rates . 2022 Some truckers think they have some rights and head to Ottawa to party and cause a nuisance for weeks on Ottawa streets. Finally the federal government declares an emergency and Ottawa is back to normal after arrests are made.

Once arrested and convicted they will find it harder to get certain jobs and security clearances.
Well they did just fuck themselves, and they had the right to do it to themselves. (sarcasm)

"I stand proudly for everyone fighting for their right to choose how they live their life." -- Ever heard the line: Pride is the fall of man.

That line is so full of BS, I don't know where to start. But I will start with the word ignorant. Why, because I am pretty sure most people in this country choose to live as millionaires in a sunnier climate like Mexico or the Caribbean (something beyond most Canadians means) because Canada is shit-ass cold in the winter. They live to make ends meet. They have a family and choose to support them, others (children) come before their own needs (mothers and fathers). They don't choose to live in poverty, its just what life puts on them working at min wage jobs or barely above the poverty line, because they can't find or get better paying jobs. Choices and Sacrifices for their family.

Its not that they choose their life to be that way. It is what life handed them, and how they deal with it.

 

[Soccerbud89]

I disagree. Truckers were pissed off the rules had changed yet again. The dumb fucks that believe vaccinations would kill them (because they believed false media or someone they followed said so- who had no medical degee).
The history of mass vaccination has been beneficial to the human race, and will continue in the future to help save billion of lives. Since the advent of anti-vaxers (started by religious nuts), previously controlled diseases like polio, measles, chicken pox ( some erradicated by the 1970s) have started to pop up again in clusters. Especially in places like Africa and religious communities in the US and western countries.

So you think your god gives you the right to put alcohol, heroin, cocaine, meth into your body; its not god, it is you who choses what to put into your body. That is a very bad excuse to do drugs. God made me do drugs....
So God made you do drugs, but he'll stop you from putting something in your body that could save your life.... How fucken ironic!!!

The government has the right to protect the population, through limiting where you drink alcohol in order to protect the public. You can't drink and drive. The government has taken away your choice to drink and drive. Why? To protect the public. And they will punish you if you drink and drive.

You can choose how to live your life, but not at the public (everyone else's) expense. Your choices can't harm other people. Like drinking and driving.

Mass vaccination has helped the population in the past with the polio and measles shots. Through the Covid 19 vaccinations has given people's bodies a chance to make anti-bodies to fight forms of covid 19. People since they got vaccinated, are not going to the hospital and fighting for their lives, only the unvaccinated last year were in the hospitals fighting for their lives.
Yup the Anti-vaxcers and the unvaccinated are the only ones causing problems for the hospital stays for Covid these days. Allthough now the Covid 19 variants have been spread throughout the populace, any anti-vaxer and anybody not vaccinated now have been exposed to Covid by now.

So why are the mask coming off. With enough variants going thru the populace of vaccinated and unvaccinated, every one has been exposed to the Covid 19 strains. Now the group the Covid will hit will the hardest will be the immune compromised people (older people and people sick from other diseases) . The key to the pandemic was to slow down the transmission rate, so that the hospitals and set up clinics could cope with the very large influx of infected people (Mar/Apr 2020). Keep that low. Find a vaccine (which at the start experts expected - 18 months before a vaccine could be made). A vaccination was made within a year by RNA. New technology, so people waited a couple a months and by summer time more were getting vaccinated (summer 2021). New Covid 19 variants came out and the vaccination helped with hospitalization rates (lower than what was expected), while the unvaxed were turning up the hospitalization rates . 2022 Some truckers think they have some rights and head to Ottawa to party and cause a nuisance for weeks on Ottawa streets. Finally the federal government declares an emergency and Ottawa is back to normal after arrests are made.

Once arrested and convicted they will find it harder to get certain jobs and security clearances.
Well they did just fuck themselves, and they had the right to do it to themselves. (sarcasm)

"I stand proudly for everyone fighting for their right to choose how they live their life." -- Ever heard the line: Pride is the fall of man.

That line is so full of BS, I don't know where to start. But I will start with the word ignorant. Why, because I am pretty sure most people in this country choose to live as millionaires in a sunnier climate like Mexico or the Caribbean (something beyond most Canadians means) because Canada is shit-ass cold in the winter. They live to make ends meet. They have a family and choose to support them, others (children) come before their own needs (mothers and fathers). They don't choose to live in poverty, its just what life puts on them working at min wage jobs or barely above the poverty line, because they can't find or get better paying jobs. Choices and Sacrifices for their family.

Its not that they choose their life to be that way. It is what life handed them, and how they deal with it.

Hey man, if you wanna continue to get vaccinated you’re whole life, by all means. Do you think it’s right FIRING people who don’t get it, adverse reaction, or don’t qualify. I don’t.
Macron from France: “will make it difficult for the unvaccinated to live”
Trudeau called the unvaccinated “racist and misogynists.
And to add to your “ mass unvaccinated” comment - never once did they make it mandatory to be apart of society; was always a choice. No government, nor persons can tell one what they can and can’t do to their body. Do I put harmful substances in my body? Not gonna say I haven’t. Exercise, healthy diet, social life, are just some of many aspects of being healthy. It’s not just vaccinations.
Florida is facts that normal living has not further increased Covid cases.

 

[80watts]

Hey man, if you wanna continue to get vaccinated you’re whole life, by all means. Do you think it’s right FIRING people who don’t get it, adverse reaction, or don’t qualify. I don’t.
Macron from France: “will make it difficult for the unvaccinated to live”
Trudeau called the unvaccinated “racist and misogynists.
And to add to your “ mass unvaccinated” comment - never once did they make it mandatory to be apart of society; was always a choice. No government, nor persons can tell one what they can and can’t do to their body. Do I put harmful substances in my body? Not gonna say I haven’t. Exercise, healthy diet, social life, are just some of many aspects of being healthy. It’s not just vaccinations.
Florida is facts that normal living has not further increased Covid cases.

You do know that the government makes allowances for medical conditions. You need to give cases of when a "person will not qualify to get a Covid Vaccination", unless its a pre-existing medical condition that could endanger that person's health. Otherwise I just don't see how anybody can not qualify for a vaccination shot.
I really don't understand your "never once did they make it mandatory to be apart of society; was always a choice. ". I don't see how getting a vaccination shot makes me part of society. You either get the shot or not.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ccine-how-polio-campaign-beat-vaccine-hesitan
Reading this article, it was about the science that people had faith in; not some religious idea based in ideological hopes.

As for "No government, nor persons can tell one what they can and can’t do to their body.";
Ever hear of peer pressure, join the military (you have to get a haircut and wear a uniform a certain way), Parents telling you how to dress, tattoos, body piercings. I think I proven this line a piece of BS, as we are constantly bombarded by propaganda and people telling us how to run our lives. Most people first time at drugs or alcohol was a friend saying "here try this"....
It happens all the time.

And for some fucken stupid unknown logic, people think they have fucken Rights. God given rights, Government Rights, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If it is written on paper... fine, but paper doesn't give a rat's ass about you... We allow ourselves to think that we have rights. The reality of it is that you can't eat it, see it or hold it. Empty Air. You getting the whole fucken picture.... You should cherish this unknown substance aka. Rights

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
As for Florida and anywhere else, it is the unvaccinated that are in the hospital dying from Covid compared to the people who did get vaccinated. So look at the death rates (Deaths tab) in Oct 21 and Feb 22. Peak in deaths, most due to unvaccinated people.
Why, because the vaccinated, gave their body a advance form of defense against the Virus.
From those graphs from John Hopkins; If the vaccinated weren't getting hospitalized; logic dictates that it was the unvaccinated that were in the hospitals dying from covid.
Yes most of these anti-vaxers under educated; I just waiting for another 30 years, when their immune system is not so healthly, and cracks under the flu virus and dies... https://qz.com/355398/the-average-anti-vaxxer-is-probably-not-who-you-think-she-is/

" Your right to put something in your body is a right given by god and no government or person should ever take that away."

Oh God, not Again....


AS for "Hey man, if you wanna continue to get vaccinated you’re whole life, by all means."
I am sorry that you believe in the anti-vaxers' cause, whatever that may be. You need to re-educated yourself on vaccines and why they are beneficial to society. I'm certainly not gonna to convince you. Trust the Science, not someone's interpretation of Religious dogma.

 

[Soccerbud89]

You do know that the government makes allowances for medical conditions. You need to give cases of when a "person will not qualify to get a Covid Vaccination", unless its a pre-existing medical condition that could endanger that person's health. Otherwise I just don't see how anybody can not qualify for a vaccination shot.
I really don't understand your "never once did they make it mandatory to be apart of society; was always a choice. ". I don't see how getting a vaccination shot makes me part of society. You either get the shot or not.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ccine-how-polio-campaign-beat-vaccine-hesitan
Reading this article, it was about the science that people had faith in; not some religious idea based in ideological hopes.

As for "No government, nor persons can tell one what they can and can’t do to their body.";
Ever hear of peer pressure, join the military (you have to get a haircut and wear a uniform a certain way), Parents telling you how to dress, tattoos, body piercings. I think I proven this line a piece of BS, as we are constantly bombarded by propaganda and people telling us how to run our lives. Most people first time at drugs or alcohol was a friend saying "here try this"....
It happens all the time.

And for some fucken stupid unknown logic, people think they have fucken Rights. God given rights, Government Rights, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If it is written on paper... fine, but paper doesn't give a rat's ass about you... We allow ourselves to think that we have rights. The reality of it is that you can't eat it, see it or hold it. Empty Air. You getting the whole fucken picture.... You should cherish this unknown substance aka. Rights

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
As for Florida and anywhere else, it is the unvaccinated that are in the hospital dying from Covid compared to the people who did get vaccinated. So look at the death rates (Deaths tab) in Oct 21 and Feb 22. Peak in deaths, most due to unvaccinated people.
Why, because the vaccinated, gave their body a advance form of defense against the Virus.
From those graphs from John Hopkins; If the vaccinated weren't getting hospitalized; logic dictates that it was the unvaccinated that were in the hospitals dying from covid.
Yes most of these anti-vaxers under educated; I just waiting for another 30 years, when their immune system is not so healthly, and cracks under the flu virus and dies... https://qz.com/355398/the-average-anti-vaxxer-is-probably-not-who-you-think-she-is/

" Your right to put something in your body is a right given by god and no government or person should ever take that away."

Oh God, not Again....


AS for "Hey man, if you wanna continue to get vaccinated you’re whole life, by all means."
I am sorry that you believe in the anti-vaxers' cause, whatever that may be. You need to re-educated yourself on vaccines and why they are beneficial to society. I'm certainly not gonna to convince you. Trust the Science, not someone's interpretation of Religious dogma.

“". I don't see how getting a vaccination shot makes me part of society.” - vaccinated people can only go out for dinner. My friend, this virus has a 99.95% survival rate and the ones dying have other health conditions, and they’re trying to make it mandatory to live life.
And of course I cherish rights. That’s why I want my Children’s children to have the choice of what they want put in the their body. That’s all this is about, we just want a choice, and not have that choice affect the way we live. Of course we don’t want to harm others, but unfortunately it’s my life before yours, as it should be with everyone. That being said, I decide. If you’re fear of getting Covid is so bad that you need 4 boosters and a mask to feel the slightest comfortable in public then stay home.

 

[80watts]

“". I don't see how getting a vaccination shot makes me part of society.” - vaccinated people can only go out for dinner. My friend, this virus has a 99.95% survival rate and the ones dying have other health conditions, and they’re trying to make it mandatory to live life.
And of course I cherish rights. That’s why I want my Children’s children to have the choice of what they want put in the their body. That’s all this is about, we just want a choice, and not have that choice affect the way we live. Of course we don’t want to harm others, but unfortunately it’s my life before yours, as it should be with everyone. That being said, I decide. If you’re fear of getting Covid is so bad that you need 4 boosters and a mask to feel the slightest comfortable in public then stay home.

Just remember this when they od on drugs... their choice, but hey everyone makes mistakes!
If you want to go out to dinner, get vaccinated, its not that hard.
2nd thing- Just remember that without the vaccination, we all be in lockdown still. So lets recount why everyone went into lockdown:
1. Covid was spreading fast, and hospitals were filling up with infected, hospitals were running out of supplies and ventilators (A crisis was at hand);
2. The population stayed in isolation, Covid still spread;
3. Without a vaccination, masking etc, economy would be shitter, inflation higher, more shortages in stores;
4. With the vaccination rate so high (81 %); it has allowed people to get on with normal activities and if exposed to the covid virus, and not to be hospitalized with symptoms requiring medical intervention.

As for your 99.95% survival rate, I hope you included all the people that have a higher chance of dying, because they don't have a vaccination shot... Also Covid will be killing people for years to come. Chances are that in the future even vaccinated people will die from Covid as they age and their immune system collaspes.

 

[Soccerbud89]

Just remember this when they od on drugs... their choice, but hey everyone makes mistakes!
If you want to go out to dinner, get vaccinated, its not that hard.
2nd thing- Just remember that without the vaccination, we all be in lockdown still. So lets recount why everyone went into lockdown:
1. Covid was spreading fast, and hospitals were filling up with infected, hospitals were running out of supplies and ventilators (A crisis was at hand);
2. The population stayed in isolation, Covid still spread;
3. Without a vaccination, masking etc, economy would be shitter, inflation higher, more shortages in stores;
4. With the vaccination rate so high (81 %); it has allowed people to get on with normal activities and if exposed to the covid virus, and not to be hospitalized with symptoms requiring medical intervention.

As for your 99.95% survival rate, I hope you included all the people that have a higher chance of dying, because they don't have a vaccination shot... Also Covid will be killing people for years to come. Chances are that in the future even vaccinated people will die from Covid as they age and their immune system collaspes.

If you get your sources from the MSM I feel sorry for you 🐑. I support vaccination, I think vaccines are incredibly useful. I just support an individuals choice to decide. That is simply it. Few questions for you regarding Covid:
1) Explain after two years of lockdown, in what way have we’ve improved.
2) Has the area you live in outlined a plan(send a link) to “end” the pandemic?
3) Were you been properly informed on ALL side effects prior to getting your vaccine? + what evidence determines your need for a booster? Ex: blood work, which doesn’t show it.
4) after 2 years of evidence of this virus, are there any alternatives to the vaccine to stay healthy and protect yourself?
5) how come EVERY workplace has a Covid protocol in place that ensures vaccination status besides our police force.

Too many questions and no clear answers. The China virus is the flu. There’s a large population of people who preach vaccines but never kept up with the flu shot. The curve if shifting and people are starting to wake up and ask questions.

 

[westwoody]

What a load of rubbish LOL 😂

 

[Forum mod]

Enough already. The people on either side of this issue are never going to convince the other side. Closed.