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nightswhisper

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I said "most". IMHO his greatest political accomplishment (not one I'm happy with but an accomplishment nonetheless) is stacking the Supreme Court in the Republicans' favour. Partially that's a consequence of lucky timing, but still.

Anyway, if you choose to idealise his accomplishments and ignore his failures, there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind. Do not delude yourself into believing you have the more objective and enlightened insight.
American interventionism is the greatest bane to the safety and security of this and the last century. ISIS came from Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda came from the Mujahideens. For the last 8 (from Nixon), the US has been nothing but destroying peace and meddling. And that goes back to Eisenhower toppling Mosaddegh through the CIA. The world is a much worse place right now because every president since Eisenhower has been a meddling fuck.

The first thing Trump did was end US interventionism. The second thing he did was protect American interests.

You can disagree with his policies all you want, but he's a patriot who doesn't want any more people dead than absolutely necessary. The guy should get a fucking Nobel prize for those two things alone.

I'd fucking pay to have Harper back, or a Patriotic Canadian Prime Minister for once. Hell I'd even take Trudeau senior.
 

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Everybody's focused on his policies because they're either being screwed over themselves, or are siding with the people being screwed over.

No one objectively looks at the guy and thinks "Right or wrong, he's not killing people over oil or regional interests."

It's much easier to get petty over whether or not building a wall or withdrawing out of the Paris Accord were good ideas than cracking open history books and compare him against all the previous shit that has happened. This is basically the guy who has the clean up all the spills the last guys did and now everyone lambastes him because he has to take desperate measures to do it.
 

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I read the same article and thought "If the person writing the article was right, why isn't he a billionaire?".
Probably wasn't given a big free handout to get things going would be my guess.
Has Trump done well for himself? Absolutely.
Is he a decent president? It will be easier to tell once he's done.
Is he a decent person? hahahahahaaaa.....
 

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I agree Trump often sounds semi-literate, but when some of the MSM go out of their way to misinterpret, omit or selectively edit to make him look worse, that’s where fake news is at play. Especially when they consciously ignore the same things from politicians they favour.

When Trump used the term (as he frequently does) Big League, to describe something important, many intentionally wrote he said Bigly, inferring he was so dumb he invented a word.

Trump was accused, and still is accused of saying Nazis were fine people during a demonstration in Ferguson, Missouri, but the whole quote is never used, “And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America…”

The fact Jim Acosta wrote and published an ani-Trump book, “The Enemy of the People: A Dangerous Time to Tell the Truth in America” at the same time he covers the White House, and still has a job, shows his CNN masters approve of, and have no intention of covering Trump without severe prejudice.

When Jussie Smollett created his fake hate crime, it was jumped on by the media solely because he claimed the attackers shouted, “This is MAGA country.”

Ditto for hundreds of media appearances by slime-ball, crook lawyer Michael Avenatti, simply because his agenda was primarily anti-Trump.

Ditto for the Covington students assailed by black racists.

And currently they're trying to spin Trump as insulting Meghan Markle, when it was pretty clear he was making a comments about HER disparaging comments about him.
 
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Trump Economic numbers since 2016

Much ado about what a wizard #45 is when the economy is discussed. Be mindful that Obama left an economy that was steadily improving and the unemployment rate was the lowest in 50 years. Also recall the mess Obama inherited in 2009 with the banks in virtual collapse.

My theory as to why he won't publish his taxes is he is not a wealthy as people seem to think. More of a $M and definitely not a $B as we are led to believe. Not publishing the taxes allows him to keep up the false narrative.


From Factcheck.org

Posted on January 20, 2017

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/what-president-trump-inherits/

Jobs & Unemployment

Jobs — The economy has added nearly 2.2 million jobs in the most recent 12 months. It has gained jobs for 75 straight months – the longest streak on record.

President Barack Obama was not so fortunate. When he took office, the economy had already lost 4.4 million jobs in the preceding 12 months.

During Obama’s first 13 months, the economy continued to shed another 4.3 million jobs. But as Trump enters office, employers are eager to hire millions more. The number of job openings continues to hold at near record levels.

The most recent figures show that as of the last business day in November, there were more than 5.5 million unfilled job openings — double the number in the month Obama took office in 2009.

The highest ever recorded in the nearly 16 years the Bureau of Labor Statistics has tracked this figure was in April 2016, when job openings topped 5.8 million. The figure has now been above 5 million every month for 22 months in a row.

Unemployment — Obama also leaves Trump an unemployment rate that is well below the historical norm.

Currently it stands at 4.7 percent. In all the months since 1948 the median jobless rate was 5.6 percent.

Thus Trump has been dealt a far better hand than Obama, who took office when the jobless rate was 7.8 percent and rising. It hit a peak of 10 percent in October of Obama’s first year.

Growth Profit & Markets

Economic Growth — Trump inherits an economy that is growing steadily — but more slowly than the 4 percent annual rate he proposed as a “national goal” during his campaign.

The economy posted six straight years of annual increases in real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product under Obama, and almost certainly will post a seventh for his final year; it already posted gains for the first three quarters of 2016. But year-to-year growth hasn’t reached 4 percent since the end of the dot-com bubble in 2000, which peaked with a 4.7 percent GDP gain in 1999.

The best year since then was 2004, when the economy gained 3.8 percent. Under Obama, the best year so far was 2015, when growth was 2.6 percent.

We won’t know for several months exactly how fast the economy grew in 2016, but the gain is likely to be well short of 4 percent. The most recent official measure put growth at a yearly rate of 3.5 percent in the third quarter of 2016. But that followed two much weaker quarters — a scant 0.8 percent annual rate gain in the first quarter, and a 1.4 percent rate gain in the second quarter.

And the last three months of 2016 aren’t expected to be as strong as the third quarter. The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s “GDP Now” model projected, as of Jan. 19, that the official fourth quarter estimate will be 2.8 percent when the Bureau of Economic Analysis issues it on Jan. 27.
 

nightswhisper

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Much ado about what a wizard #45 is when the economy is discussed. Be mindful that Obama left an economy that was steadily improving and the unemployment rate was the lowest in 50 years. Also recall the mess Obama inherited in 2009 with the banks in virtual collapse.
Obama was a lawyer. Obama has little understanding of the economy and relied heavily on Bernanke to make decisions.

Obama had no trade, economic, or fiscal policies. Trump has, for better or worse, trade and tax policies.

My theory as to why he won't publish his taxes is he is not a wealthy as people seem to think. More of a $M and definitely not a $B as we are led to believe. Not publishing the taxes allows him to keep up the false narrative.
Yes. Just like the Obama birth-certificate narrative.

Who cares how much money he has? Why is this a point?
 

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The US is the largest economy, it runs on oil. Followed closely by China.

When the oil runs out, its coal or nuclear energy that will power the US economy.

Big time investment is going into solar and wind and geothermal power.

Will it maintain the life style of the average American.... then there is climate change. Most sea levels will rise about 1 m in the next century. Greenland ice sheet will melt, same with the Arctic and Anarctic. Add in an energy shortage for the economy; it could get ugly very fast.

The US and the west since the end of WW2, have been trying to stop the spread of communism. The communism in the USSR has turned into an oligarchy, same is in the process in China. Individual rights are not there unless you have the money/power/influence....

A big thing about Muslin countries, they don't believe in "patents", whereas the West does.

Trump support votes are right wing Christians who don't believe in the separation of state and church. Hence the attack on Roe vs Wade in most states that have republican majorities.

Can you say "Dark Ages" where the church rules with absolute authority through the state.....

History will repeat itself......it always does.....

If Trump starts a trade war with China, rare earth minerals which a high tech society like the US depends on, will be scarce affecting their economy. A trade war with Mexico, will be bad because many American businesses depend on that cheap labour..
 

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. Trump has, for better or worse, trade and tax policies.
Did you read the post? It clearly shows Obama's leadership brought USA from the brink of financial collapse to a well run economy. Trump's run now is clearly from the good base that was already in place.

Cancelled TPP and now he is trying to get a USA only deal, and then did NAFTA 2.0 which had little difference to the first one. Used Security reasons for implementing 20% duties on Aluminum and Steel imports. Yah, great policies alright. Even his own Senators are saying they wouldn't sign off on NAFTA 2.0 with those duties in place.

Now he is putting 5% duties on all Mexican Goods entering USA on June 10 and it will be the biggest personal tax increase on US citizens in history.





Who cares how much money he has? Why is this a point?
Perhaps its because lots of people including yourself make a big deal how much money he has and how successful he is. Reality is, he is not. If being in debt $B's is your measure of success, I feel sorry for you.

Keep drinking that Trumpian Koolaid.
 

golferjohn

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Keep drinking that Trumpian Koolaid.
unfortunately, the ego-investment of the sheep disallow objectivity and self-reflection. Bigotry (and all the other personality traits this president possesses) are cloaked in the lie of protectionism and fueled through the fear-mongering of his base.
 

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In softness, strength.
Name his failures.



You live in a capitalist country. If you have a problem with capitalism, move to Venezuela or Cuba.
No need too........as your reply only invites more rhetoric/diatribe. Not needed.
Looks like I'm possibly the first you agree with in this thread. Thank you!
also thank you for agreeing what type of person he is cuz it sounds like the normal
way of capitalism through his eyes (which you don't show fault for on his behalf) is through bankruptcy.

How wonderful for the economy of all concerned.
Glad I don't do business with the likes of those types.

In softness, Strength.

Trump will never understand those words and that my dear friend will be his inevitable downfall.
Mark my words. success is never measured in how many people you screw over.
But moreso, how many people can say they were NOT screwed over by you.
These will be lifelong business partners bar none.
I wonder what his records show on that front?

Which of those types are more likely to do business with you?
Think about that instead of putting trump on your usual pedestal.
 
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