Extremely....Stable......Genius?? And other political diatribe.

[Sifupoon]

That people (not you) have been making such a big deal - paranoia really - about Russia or China influencing Canadian elections, when there is already massive infiltration of the Canadian political process by US lobby groups and political organizations.

One example is how the Koch Brothers control the Fraser institute, and have a huge amount of influence over CAPP.

More specific to the gun issue here, the Canadian gun lobby is controlled by the US NRA. "Inspired by", they would probably say, but it still represents allegiance to US politics and values, subverting Canada's very different traditions in favour of the US "militia" model of gun ownership and rabid opposition to any form of control over firearms. Go to any one of these "Canadian" organizations, and read what they are saying: all the arguments are supplied by US websites, based on US rationales and conceptions of "rights" that come from the US constitution.

I could point out that a lot of other shit leaks up here from the US, on the left also. Berkeley-style political correctness, de-platforming, statue removals, rape culture, etc. ... not any better, is it? More importantly, these puritanical tactics are not really Canadian in spirit. It's not that we all have the same opinions, but once upon a time we could actually handle it when other's didn't have ours.

Our political "leaders" want to get caught up the trends of America's "culture war"? This makes them followers, not leaders. At worst, it shows some of them to be gutless toadies. It's still America's "culture war". We weren't a country born with a puritanical streak, so why act is if any of that shit applies to us? Right or left, this is a betrayal of Canada's true nature. So I have no respect for those organizations and movements that deliberately bring it here as some sort of cynical campaign tactic.

The mainstream media up here are always aiding an abetting this process too, because they are lazy and too in love with "the game" to question whether it should even be played.

But of course, if you listened to them or the politicians, it's always "OMG RUSSIA EXPRESSED AN OPINION, AND THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY GOT TO HEAR IT! THE SKY IS FALLING !" - while they conveniently forget how much other nations (the US most of all) already use Canada as part of their ideological battle-space, and how often Canadian "leaders" are willing to let them.

Thank you for that whole hearted reply. I must agree.
I have been a firearm owner for many years. Age can be a shitty thing. lol.
But my point is when I was all aflutter ages ago with this hobby, not the sp hobby, heh heh, I wanted
to become an nra member cuz it was the thing to do. So...... I went to check it out. I won't say what
platform I used to avoid outing anyone but I was asked are you a more right wing minded conservative
person who would uphold the second ammendment when asked to?
I told them I'm Canadian and what the hell does being that have to do with upholding the second ammendment?
That's an american constitutional ammendment so why should that concern me ? they hung up.

You made a very good essay of what american control of so many different things in the world is all about
while addressing pretty much just one subject. NRA> interesting isn't it?

I feel more safe here with our gun laws than I would anywhere else that I know of currently.
I do believe our gun laws are infringing on our rights ever so slightly more than neccesary as there
is in this country extremely low violence from registered law abiding gun owners in Canada.
Therefor having said that, I do not believe we need any more contraints than we all ready have.

With bill C-71 they made one VERY GOOD appointments where new applicants who apply for
a PAL or RPAL will be scrutinized for being a person who had received prescriptions for anti-depressant
medication or had been involved in violence or spousal abuse going back through your entire history.
I'm not sure if this involves previously existing license holders or not. But I suppose we'll find out
one way of the other.

The one thing I do not like same as many other folks is the fact that power under the new bill gives
the rcmp the right to designate what type of firearm is to be classed as restricted or non restricted.
Unbelievable, that is feeding into a totalitarians type of dictatorship.

Oh and yes with your last sentence we have always it seems been the political pawns to big brother down
south. GO figure how nothing changes really.

Thanks again sir rlock for your reply. Very good read my man and good points all.

 

[sybian]

Thank you for that whole hearted reply. I must agree.
I have been a firearm owner for many years. Age can be a shitty thing. lol.
But my point is when I was all aflutter ages ago with this hobby, not the sp hobby, heh heh, I wanted
to become an nra member cuz it was the thing to do. So...... I went to check it out. I won't say what
platform I used to avoid outing anyone but I was asked are you a more right wing minded conservative
person who would uphold the second ammendment when asked to?
I told them I'm Canadian and what the hell does being that have to do with upholding the second ammendment?
That's an american constitutional ammendment so why should that concern me ? they hung up.

You made a very good essay of what american control of so many different things in the world is all about
while addressing pretty much just one subject. NRA> interesting isn't it?

I feel more safe here with our gun laws than I would anywhere else that I know of currently.
I do believe our gun laws are infringing on our rights ever so slightly more than neccesary as there
is in this country extremely low violence from registered law abiding gun owners in Canada.
Therefor having said that, I do not believe we need any more contraints than we all ready have.

With bill C-71 they made one VERY GOOD appointments where new applicants who apply for
a PAL or RPAL will be scrutinized for being a person who had received prescriptions for anti-depressant
medication or had been involved in violence or spousal abuse going back through your entire history.
I'm not sure if this involves previously existing license holders or not. But I suppose we'll find out
one way of the other.

The one thing I do not like same as many other folks is the fact that power under the new bill gives
the rcmp the right to designate what type of firearm is to be classed as restricted or non restricted.
Unbelievable, that is feeding into a totalitarians type of dictatorship.

Oh and yes with your last sentence we have always it seems been the political pawns to big brother down
south. GO figure how nothing changes really.

Thanks again sir rlock for your reply. Very good read my man and good points all.

I hold a short barrel prohibited permit....as well as a collectors.
It will be interesting to see what they try, as it is those licences that may be revoked first.

 

[golferjohn]

- Pulled the US out of Syria, Libya and promised a non-interventionist policy
- Enacted legislation to prevent lobbying by several powerful groups for 5 years
- Accelerated availability of generic drugs through the FDA to lower drug prices and loosen grip on the drug companies, resulting in lower drug-billing in insurances (which were never addressed under ACA)
- Massive tax reform that repatriated billions of dollars back into the US

Here's stuff that he did that was good for US that sucked for everyone else:

- Paris Accord Termination
- The Great Wall of US
- Made the NATO spend more money rather than US footing the bill alone
- Fucked Iran in Trade
- Fucked Mexico in Trade
- Fucking Canada in Trade
- Fucking China in Trade
- Embarked on US foreign policy on his first term. By the way, most US president's never do any foreign affairs on their first term.

pulled out of Syria after declaring that The US has defeated ISIS?? We still maintain about 400 troops in Syria which creates an opportunity for any of the territory fought (and won) to be at risk. ISIS being an 'idealism' isn't 'defeated'...it just finds somewhere else to be. The premise of winning and then pulling out is deeply flawed and highly dangerous for the soldiers still remaining (they're now out-numbered three-to-one)

the lobbying ban is a 'paper tiger' at best and easily circumvented

there's 'blueprint' for lowering prescription drug prices but no implementation (unless disclosing prices as a part of the 'side-affects' drone counts)

the 'tax-cut' was a 2-Trillion 'loan' that all current/future tax payers will have to absorb/pay. the vast majority of the re-patriated monies did not translate into boosting spending but went to corporate buy-backs of shares (and similar). Think of this as a home cash-out refinance...sure you received a lump of cash, but you still have to pay it back (lest be foreclosed upon). BTW, this so-called tax-cut personally cost me over $7k (usd). The economic geniuses within this administration seem to think that we'll have enough growth (spurred-on by this $2T 'loan') to more than repay it...and the occupant has even opined about 'printing more money' to pay it! If borrowing (and not paying it back) is your business plan, filing Bankruptcy (multiple times) would be your only option.

I'm not even going to address these trade tirades...China (and other countries) already own us, it's probably best if we learn to get along with everyone in The Playground. 45 is the exact opposite of 'walk softly and carry a big stick'

 

[nightswhisper]

Let's deconstruct each of your arguments because they are just a bunch of lumped together sentiments rather than facts.

pulled out of Syria after declaring that The US has defeated ISIS??

Americans never admit defeat and will always come up with some excuse for being on the "winning" side. As a military interventionist nation, admitting a loss is not acceptable. The Americans did not accept defeat in Korea, Vietnam, nor will they accept Syria.

We still maintain about 400 troops in Syria which creates an opportunity for any of the territory fought (and won) to be at risk.

The CIA has valuable assets in Turkey that they don't want the Syrian military and non-allied forces encroaching upon. This is not an argument and is a leftover effect of Operation Timber Sycamore under the Obama administration.

ISIS being an 'idealism' isn't 'defeated'...it just finds somewhere else to be.

Sure. Except the idealism brewed when Obama killed Bin Laden, then proceeded to use the CIA to topple Syrian Alawite leadership. It has nothing to do with Trump, who wants to bring soldiers home.

The premise of winning and then pulling out is deeply flawed and highly dangerous for the soldiers still remaining (they're now out-numbered three-to-one)

No. The actual number of NATO forces on the ground is close to 1500. The Americans are pulling out because they don't want an all-out war against the Russians and Iranians over regional interest. They also have a large number of rebel allies they are funding through various weapons cache programs who will do the fighting. It's very calculated and very smart.

the lobbying ban is a 'paper tiger' at best and easily circumvented

Yes. Because the guy who is opposed to lobbying doesn't have legislative powers, because those who support lobbying are making a lot of money.

there's 'blueprint' for lowering prescription drug prices but no implementation (unless disclosing prices as a part of the 'side-affects' drone counts)

Incorrect.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/fda...reaking-number-generic-drug-approvals-october

The FDA is now making drug companies compete for prices by approving more generic drugs.

the 'tax-cut' was a 2-Trillion 'loan' that all current/future tax payers will have to absorb/pay. the vast majority of the re-patriated monies did not translate into boosting spending but went to corporate buy-backs of shares (and similar). Think of this as a home cash-out refinance...sure you received a lump of cash, but you still have to pay it back (lest be foreclosed upon). BTW, this so-called tax-cut personally cost me over $7k (usd). The economic geniuses within this administration seem to think that we'll have enough growth (spurred-on by this $2T 'loan') to more than repay it...and the occupant has even opined about 'printing more money' to pay it! If borrowing (and not paying it back) is your business plan, filing Bankruptcy (multiple times) would be your only option.

I have no idea where you get this. That's not how the economy works.

People paying complicated tax schemes increase bureaucracy. Paying high taxes reduce productivity (Like Canada). Tax cuts encourage people to keep their money domestically without the annoyance of paying middle men to fudge paperwork and lose huge cuts.

I'm not even going to address these trade tirades...China (and other countries) already own us, it's probably best if we learn to get along with everyone in The Playground. 45 is the exact opposite of 'walk softly and carry a big stick'

Protectionism is a good thing. China does not own the US. The world uses USD as a peg and the Chinese Yuan is devaluing like mad.

China is losing import power on an exponential scale. It's an effective trade strategy. Though as a tangent, Trump may be underestimating the power of Chinese propaganda. The Communists are surprisingly capable of making EVERYONE in China unite together against the Americans. And that's scary as hell.

 

[badbadboy]

The US is sending 1500 troops to the Persian Gulf in support of the tensions initiated by the US with Iran. This was announced May 24.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48404141

Plus the Abraham Lincoln Aircraft carrier and supporting Naval group

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/07/b-52-bombers-aircraft-carrier-uss-lincoln-rushed-confront-iran-bolton/1130543001/

It's the never ending revolving door in the Gulf. Face it the US will be there for years, maybe decades to come because of ISIS, supporting Israel, doing the Saudi's dirty work in Yemen and the list goes on and on.

 

[golferjohn]

World issues have been a mess since the beginning of time (we just happen to stick our noses into any/every conflict that suits our needs), so no sense arguing that the current policy(ies) are anyone's doing...but tweeting threats is certainly a new phenomenon.

Domestically, that's definitely on his watch...the Scott Pruitt, Betsy DeVos, Flynn/Manafort/Cohen/Barr, Ben Carson, the wife beater, etc. etc...then over 100 contacts with foreign agents...
How is any one thing OK, much less the whole lot?

"People paying complicated tax schemes increase bureaucracy. Paying high taxes reduce productivity (Like Canada). Tax cuts encourage people to keep their money domestically without the annoyance of paying middle men to fudge paperwork and lose huge cuts"

Who pays for these cuts? I doubt the extra $65/mo. that the average is said to benefit will do much good and the corporations that benefited the most have just repurchased their own stock.

Anyway, the original thread had to do with 'behavior' (not policy decisions or separating families)...the question remains, Is this person's behavior acceptable?

 

[nightswhisper]

"People paying complicated tax schemes increase bureaucracy. Paying high taxes reduce productivity (Like Canada). Tax cuts encourage people to keep their money domestically without the annoyance of paying middle men to fudge paperwork and lose huge cuts"

Who pays for these cuts? I doubt the extra $65/mo. that the average is said to benefit will do much good and the corporations that benefited the most have just repurchased their own stock.

Example:

Person A gets 1 Million Dollars in tax breaks.

They buy a boat.

That boat is built by 10 people, who now get paid for the work of $100,00 each.

These guys now renovate their houses, who then pay 2 contractors each.

Each of these steps will have taxes and added costs that are disseminated through expenditure of tax breaks. No one "Pays" for a tax cut. The Socialist gatorade on tax cut is stupid and nonsensical because it assumes economy to be a simple system, which it isn't. The wealthy create jobs and opportunities and are the driving force of an economy because they are smart and creative. Regular people can't and don't want to donate 200 million dollars to repair the Notre Dame.

Anyway, the original thread had to do with 'behavior' (not policy decisions or separating families)...the question remains, Is this person's behavior acceptable?

Behavior is a means to action. If the end result is desirable, then the behavior in getting so is desirable. Trump is brutally Utilitarian and it's fucking fun.

 

[clu]

Ends do not necessarily justify the means.

But, nightwhisper, even most of Trump's alleged accomplishments do not stand up to scrutiny.

 

[nightswhisper]

Ends do not necessarily justify the means.

But, nightwhisper, even most of Trump's alleged accomplishments do not stand up to scrutiny.

Ends absolutely justify the means. Results are what matters in politics. If it didn't, every leader would be Trudeau spending money on other countries rather than their own.

Nor do anyone elses. Most accomplishments are the amalgamation of luck, fortune, and time and have little to do with the individual.

If he's killing less people than the previous presidents, I'd say that's a huge step forward. His non-interventionist approach to diplomacy is easily his presidency's shining star.

 

[Sifupoon]

I hold a short barrel prohibited permit....as well as a collectors.
It will be interesting to see what they try, as it is those licences that may be revoked first.

On one hand that would not surprise me, on the others it tells me that they will leave this decision to the
upcoming bill C-75 where they plan on banning ALL AR-15 type semi-auto weapons and handguns.
No reason for them to quit there as they might as well go ahead and take our GRANDFATHERED
prohib licenses as well.

for those that do not know what a grandfathered prohibited license is. Any firearm with a muzzle length
of less than 4 1/4 inches (i believe it is) needs this license. YOU can not aquire them now as they
were discontinued a couple of decades ago or so. So what that means is even if the piece is a rare
collectors item, A true piece of history or a piece of junk is no matter. It can not be willed or passed
on to next of kin or anyone.

You are the last owner of that prohib weapon and upon your death it
is confiscated and destroyed or made inoperable. That makes my skin crawl. Man and his stupidity throwing away a
incredible piece of history with possibly a HUGE provinance it may carry.
These prohib weapons people possess today should at least be put in a museum for future reference
to what ever or whoever may have owned them and what little story book of history they may be
a part of. Just think if John Wayne's pistol was in possession of a Canadian and it was deemed
prohibited. The Duke would be riding his horse as a ghost on our parliamentary buildings and telling
Trudeau.......

FILL YOUR HAND YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!

 

[golferjohn]

Trump is brutally Utilitarian and it's fucking fun.

substitute utilitarian with ignorant, and as far as fun goes, it's the antithesis

 

[Cock Throppled]

All the stupid tweets and bombast from Trump, as well as the inflated negative analysis by a one-sided press that acts as a publicity arm for the Democratic Party, ignores what happens behind the scenes.

Here's a list of accomplishments under Trump's administration. Not all are a direct result of his leadership, and Lord nows he does a lot to stop these things being highlighted, but they are positivs for America regardless...https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...t-of-president-trumps-accomplishments-so-far/

 

[overdone]

Here's a list of accomplishments under Trump's administration. Not all are a direct result of his leadership, and Lord nows he does a lot to stop these things being highlighted, but they are positivs for America regardless...https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...t-of-president-trumps-accomplishments-so-far/

lol, did you actually look at this "supposed list"

hahahaha

at best it's verbal diarrhea

it's almost complete bullshit, lol

just take the healthcare part alone, hahahaha

did his daily sack of lies write it? Sarah KFC Sanders :lalala:

loved the huge tax cuts one too, cause the little man always gets the best tax cuts right? :whoo:


the only thing he's doing sorta right, is going after China

but he's too incompetent to do it properly

 

[golferjohn]

Here's a list of accomplishments under Trump's administration. Not all are a direct result of his leadership, and Lord nows he does a lot to stop these things being highlighted, but they are positivs for America regardless...https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...t-of-president-trumps-accomplishments-so-far/

this list is dubious at best, the majority of which are easily refuted and the remaining have an opposite (more detrimental) effect. They're banking on making the 'thinking public' so exhausted by the lies/rhetoric that they'll throw up their hands in frustration...

let's face it, this administration has completely polarized a nation and it's supremely evident in this microcosm of a thread...no sense making any salient points cuz 'the internet' can come-up with 'proof' of the opposite.

If you're a US citizen, ask yourself if you think the last 2+ years has been good for our Nation, your community, your family, your self...if you've surmised that it's been positive, cast your vote...if not cast your vote

 

[nightswhisper]

this list is dubious at best, the majority of which are easily refuted and the remaining have an opposite (more detrimental) effect. They're banking on making the 'thinking public' so exhausted by the lies/rhetoric that they'll throw up their hands in frustration...

let's face it, this administration has completely polarized a nation and it's supremely evident in this microcosm of a thread...no sense making any salient points cuz 'the internet' can come-up with 'proof' of the opposite.

If you're a US citizen, ask yourself if you think the last 2+ years has been good for our Nation, your community, your family, your self...if you've surmised that it's been positive, cast your vote...if not cast your vote

Trump has not polarized anyone. He has played no part in identity politics unlike his predecessor.

 

[clu]

Trump has not polarized anyone. He has played no part in identity politics unlike his predecessor.

Case in point: this is exactly what Trump himself does... make a statement so absurdly out of line with reality and easily refuted that his critics' heads explode trying to comprehend what just happened. Then what follows is a great debate about what should be self-evident, which keeps everyone from getting past Step 1 and into the meat of the argument.

 

[nightswhisper]

Case in point: this is exactly what Trump himself does... make a statement so absurdly out of line with reality and easily refuted that his critics' heads explode trying to comprehend what just happened. Then what follows is a great debate about what should be self-evident, which keeps everyone from getting past Step 1 and into the meat of the argument.

Not really. He makes a big deal out small things so people focus all their energy on arguing while he moves on to do other stuff.

 

[clu]

Not really. He makes a big deal out small things so people focus all their energy on arguing while he moves on to do other stuff.

A one-man intellectual DDoS attack.

 

[nightswhisper]

A one-man intellectual DDoS attack.

Yes. It's the most effective strategy in business and war.

Deceive and misdirect, then get your agenda accomplished.

 

[nightswhisper]

substitute utilitarian with ignorant, and as far as fun goes, it's the antithesis

I don't call anyone who makes more money than I do ignorant.