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This is incorrect. Level 2 charger requires are 30 amp circuit same as your dryer or stove.

EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood:
A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly overloaded.
Batteries:
Although the modern lithium-ion battery is 4 times better than the old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density. The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. What do we get for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that's far less convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion engines.
Bryan Leyland explained why:
“hen the Model T came out, it was a dramatic improvement on the horse and cart. The electric car is a step backward into the equivalence of an ordinary car with a tiny petrol tank that takes half an hour to fill. It offers nothing in the way of convenience or extra facilities.”
Conclusion:
The electric automobile will always be around in a niche market likely never exceeding 10% of the cars on the road. All automobile manufacturers are investing in their output and all will be disappointed in their sales. Perhaps they know this and will manufacture just what they know they can sell. This is certainly not
what many are planning and predicting. However, the media and others will be pushing the electric car as a means of avoiding climate change? We have a chance to tell them exactly what we think of their expensive and dangerous plans politically!
Dr. Jay Lehr is a Senior Policy Analyst with the International Climate Science Coalition and former Science Director of The Heartland Institute. He is an internationally renowned scientist, author, and speaker who has testified before Congress on dozens of occasions on environmental issues. He has consulted with nearly every agency of the national government and many foreign countries.
After graduating from Princeton University at the age of 20 with a degree in Geological Engineering, he received the nation’ first Ph.D. in Groundwater Hydrology from the University of Arizona. He later became executive director of the National Association of Groundwater Scientists and Engineers.
Tom Harris is Executive Director of the Ottawa, Canada-based International Climate Science Coalition, and a policy advisor to The Heartland Institute. He has 40 years of experience as a mechanical engineer, project manager, science and technology communications professional, technical trainer, and S&T advisor to a former Opposition Senior Environment Critic in Canada’ Parliament.
You do not need to have an advanced degree in mathematics to understand the term “verload” The average person, no matter where you live, can quickly identify the political feel-good sensation that is being attempted by those short sighted individuals who are promoting the EV revolution...Vehicle manufacturers, Charging station builders, Transmission Line contractors, Battery producers...etc.
“t’ Magic”....and you are saving the planet by creating less pollution as you get rid of your gas burning vehicle and take out a 5 year loan to pay for the shiny new $60,000 electric car. No more fill-ups at the service station and the global warming is solved. You can now sit back and imagine the new polar ice formations that are providing a safe environment for the Polar Bears, Seals, Penguins that we all adore.
We have done our part saving humanity....and you can see the smile on little Greta Thunberg’ face! BUT WAIT...why are we losing power at our house?
Well the short answer is...We failed to understand that our electrical grid reached max capacity and was overloaded when all of the EV’ were plugged in tonight at the same time. The next short answer is....Where do you think the energy came from to supply the grid in the first place? It sure wasn't from Wind or Solar...nor from any other alternate energy source we use. Incidentally, which all combined, only provides 7% of today’ use demand. It was from the traditional combustible resource called Hydrocarbons!
Until we discover a non-hydrocarbon energy source that is efficient and safe, GET REAL...we are committed to Oil & Gas!
 
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The problem with our world is that everybody is so invested in old technology (and they make money from it, cause it set up that way).
New stuff like solar and wind are hard to get on the grid, especially for equal pay back (one for one basis), that many people won't bother with the increase in start up for a new house. Also, how expandable is you house gonna be? Will you get enough solar to support a family of electric cars for when the kids grow up? Most people are not thinking that far into the future. Renewable energy (new builds) should be able to get loans at under prime locked in for 20 years. Small price for the banks to pay for future needs of the country.
Canada has got to get off its ass and support future investment in Canadians and Canadian projects(for future energy efficiency). Knock off the the 1% that are blocking the forward thinking people (usually younger people), and enable them to help get future projects off the ground...
The status quo is slowly killing the world. Best case scenario, imagine yourself getting a lung full of" fresh air" from an automobile burning gas... We have probally reached world peak production (its just the companies and OPEC) haven't told us yet. This is another reason why oil prices will only get higher.
So we need future energy that cost less and dosn't put out CO2.
For cars we now use batteries. IN the future it could be hydrogen (alot of investment needed for infrastructure for making, pumping/transport and pumps).

A question people should be asking is why Elon Musk seems to be so successful with his electric cars and batteries. He went ahead and did it. He got like minded people who want to succeed working for him. Opposed is the grand alliance of autos- Ford, GM, Dodge, and Japan, Korean who don't like people rocking their boat, and suppress ideas cause it would impose on profits. You guessed it, keep burning gas and coal for maximum profit.... meanwhile the rich will no longer breath easily because their is no where else in the world to move to for clean fresh air....

Look at the Trump presidency, for 4 year the world went backwards, because its leader the US wouldn't support any unilateral movement (other countries) that was against Trumps needs or investment portfolio.

Look at Canada, the fishing industry is fucked, the forestry industry is fucked too. Mining? Any new technologies will require energy in vast amounts to compete in the world enconomy... We are so fucking far behind, and people are busted up because they don't want a covid shot... If you want high paying jobs, its in the resource sectors. Manufacturing is limited in Canada because of expensive supply and labour, and we can't compete on the world economy at all, unless it is in raw resources, which dosen't bring jobs to Canadian, but only makes the 1% richer.

Bend over and kiss your future good-bye.....

The problem with the public is they don't see beyond the "what's in it for me, right now?" thinking. Or maybe they'd love to, but they can't. They don't have the personal wealth to make these changes alone, or the power to affect the parts of the system they don't control (like the power grid).

These big decisions are supposed to be handled by political leaders, but they are even worse - and that is out fault. We keep supporting ones who make their careers either pretending to plan these improvements (but never doing it), or opposing any improvement and trying to keep people in the dark about how bad things are going to be if we don't. We should demand better of them, not cling to their party badges no matter what they do for (or do to) us. They are short-term opportunists because we are - we expect it, we demand it, we let our mainstream media punish them if they make the campaign "mistake" of telling hard truths and tacking tough issues realistically. "Pie in the sky" bullshit rules campaigns.

The forestry industry and the fishing industry got themselves into trouble, taking way too much - more than ever come back at the rate they are going. Mining is a similar tale of foolishness; everything acceptable already played out, so now they ask for what's not acceptable (and might actually get it). But did political leaders tell them "stop" or "scale back" or "smarten the fuck up"? Nope. If anything, they are afraid to - corrupt to begin with or just afraid of some counter-campaign that will drive them from office. So the fantasy that we can keep all the harvesting at this pace, and all the jobs, goes on. And it is a fantasy. That world is already dead and gone. They just don't have the guts to admit it.

As for the auto makers, Musk did not invent EVs. The Japanese (Toyota, Nissan) were the major sellers of hybrids and EV's, but the North American companies successfully tarred those vehicles as "wimpy" while killing off their own EV developments at a time when they were actually ahead of Japan's. What Musk did is popularize the EV, by making ones that were definitely not little wimpy vehicles - build an EV that can slaughter a Ford Mustang in a steer race, and suddenly people look at it in a whole new light. Either start engineering all sorts of EV's, or just go down the dead end of into "bigger and dirtier". The "Big 3" North American manufacturers pushed hard into the latter, starting the SUV & pickup boom (for drivers who never needed them), and neglecting everything else. Along comes Tesla, but not just Tesla, to make the Big 3 eat shit, and it was only them but the Euro and Asian companies too (though they can be just as stubborn in their own way). \

So now it is changing, but the power grid has yet to catch up. Even if you fix the power sources to be clean(er), you have to fix all the transmission in between too, because these days everything demands power. And some of these schemes to scrub carbon from the air, what do they require? Massive amounts of energy. Ditto for hydrogen production. Ditto for crypto/blockchain processing. How do we generate and transmit the energy for all that? Nobody seems to ask these questions - they just go ahead and waste more, pollute more.

So who is going to tackle the massive redesign of society's energy and resource usage? The traditional parties, who have been playing the cynical anti green or green-washing games since forever? Doubtful. They'll keep up that bullshit until it is literally too late for anyone to survive. But who's going to kick them to the curb for failing to deal with it properly? Us? LOL. Until we do, we'll just see society make the same mistakes over and over.
 
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I live in the country, while the power doesn't go out often here, when it does its not just a short outage.
I have some solar, but also a backup generator. In January the power was out for 45 hours.
At least I had enough power to keep the fridge cold, furnace running, and a few lights on. My vehicles are gas powered, so I wasn't stranded, and I keep spare gas around in gas cans. Too many people, rely too heavily on the grid, that could go down at any time .
Brings to mind the old saying about Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
 
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True. Technically you can just charge at 120/12 if you have a week to wait.

When I had my chevy bolt, I plugged into the 120 outside wall socket every day at work, and all night at home in my garage. It was trips that were an issue, advertised range was substantially more than real world range.
 
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I live in the country, while the power doesn't go out often here, when it does its not just a short outage.
I have some solar, but also a backup generator. In January the power was out for 45 hours.
At least I had enough power to keep the fridge cold, furnace running, and a few lights on. My vehicles are gas powered, so I wasn't stranded, and I keep spare gas around in gas cans. Too many people, rely too heavily on the grid, that could go down at any time .
Brings to mind the old saying about Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Oh, living out there, no doubt, this is a problem. One power line connecting you to the grid, and something takes a pole out (landslide, fire, flood, car accident) and who knows when power shall return. And of course, if the phone lines run off the same thin strand, whoops, there goes that too. Cel-tower? Got its power from guess where.
Solar and wind can add a measure of self-reliance, but depend on the same thing you can't control. If only one could store the summer surplus of power for up to 6 months. (Gee, if only someone built more local means to do so.)
But also, BC Hydro are not very forward-thinking or adaptive when people want to add this self-reliance in rural areas. (And BC Hydro is not nearly as bad as some other North American utility companies.) All they can do is charge less if you draw less. I hear stories that they have no provision to buy power back from small-scale individuals when those users have surplus power to give; it's just not part of their business model, therefore not their infrastructure either.


When I had my chevy bolt, I plugged into the 120 outside wall socket every day at work, and all night at home in my garage. It was trips that were an issue, advertised range was substantially more than real world range.
I can believe it. Test drove a Bolt once, and a Tesla. They do not test in places like BC. They test on nice flat temperate tracks to get the theoretical range. Batteries are often tested in labs that simulate driving rather than actually putting them out there for most of it.
Someone independent should be out there seeing how true the claims are. But who would fund that?

Actually, BC would be an excellent place for long-term automotive testing. From deep cold to extreme heat to torrential rain. From slow downtown roads to freeways to dirty little FSR's. Test a car by running up and down BC roads in all seasons, to let's say 50000 km or more. You could put a car through hell if you wanted, and see how the systems really perform.

Marketing guys at the companies would not like it much, but for the engineers it would be very valuable data in general.
 
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Oh, living out there, no doubt, this is a problem. One power line connecting you to the grid, and something takes a pole out (landslide, fire, flood, car accident) and who knows when power shall return. And of course, if the phone lines run off the same thin strand, whoops, there goes that too. Cel-tower? Got its power from guess where.
Solar and wind can add a measure of self-reliance, but depend on the same thing you can't control. If only one could store the summer surplus of power for up to 6 months. (Gee, if only someone built more local means to do so.)
But also, BC Hydro are not very forward-thinking or adaptive when people want to add this self-reliance in rural areas. (And BC Hydro is not nearly as bad as some other North American utility companies.) All they can do is charge less if you draw less. I hear stories that they have no provision to buy power back from small-scale individuals when those users have surplus power to give; it's just not part of their business model, therefore not their infrastructure either.




I can believe it. Test drove a Bolt once, and a Tesla. They do not test in places like BC. They test on nice flat temperate tracks to get the theoretical range. Batteries are often tested in labs that simulate driving rather than actually putting them out there for most of it.
Someone independent should be out there seeing how true the claims are. But who would fund that?

Actually, BC would be an excellent place for long-term automotive testing. From deep cold to extreme heat to torrential rain. From slow downtown roads to freeways to dirty little FSR's. Test a car by running up and down BC roads in all seasons, to let's say 50000 km or more. You could put a car through hell if you wanted, and see how the systems really perform.

Marketing guys at the companies would not like it much, but for the engineers it would be very valuable data in general.
Brand new it got on average 54% of the advertised range, that dropped substantially as the car aged. I only had it 2 years, but I'll guess that by year 6, range would be around 20% of advertised.
 
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