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Does service change over time? or even from time to time?

CyberJim

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Wanted to add this to the Jazmine thread but MOD has locked it.

I recently had a birthday meeting with a very well reviewed, respected provider.

She was having a bad day and she forgot some details (ie It was my birthday). She felt very bad and offered me a makeup session.

I took her up on it. Second session was a lot of fun.

In otherwords:

Ladies:
I get sometimes you have a bad day or you mature as a provider and finally get the business side of things (good service provides repeat business). Of course as you mature you will lose some of the appeal of being younger but gain experience and technique. Want new clients; have an occassional special. A lot of ladies I used to visit have priced themselves out of the market. Have a bad review, offer the client a make up session and apologize. Flaking out = bad reviews. Know you're about to have a flake out / bad day: respectfully reschedule the appointment with as much time as possible. Nobody likes having their time wasted. If you want to, I wouldn't say no to the occasional SP generated 'bootie call' for a favoured, sensitive, well hung client. Hey wait... are those 2 thumbs pointed at me? What about the occassional movie invite or client dinner. Business people do it all the time to show appreciation to their best clients. Even The Source has door crasher events. Hint, hint. I recently got a direct email from House of Knives to a super secret first time ever warehouse sale with really awesome mark downs.... just sayin'.

On a completely different subject ladies, visit Thailand, learn to do Soapy massage, and for God's sake, start offering it. Nuru massage has downsides. Last time I did it in Vancouver, the gel solidified on my lower back and created a gummy, hair pulling residue. Not the happy ending I expected.

Guys:

YMMV! Unlike the really cool Japanese vending machine porn (or the instant hard on generating flexi doll fun), providers are people. They take a lot of risks, work in a potentially dangerous, illegal (super stressful) environment. There is a super delicate balancing act between providing a sensual service and allowing some stranger (potential lunatic) access to the most sensitive, intimate parts of youself. This is why they have restrictions. Respect them. All situations are fluid. If you booked some greek but neglected to mention you're above average in girth don't be surprised if she balks. Remember every woman has the right to say no. AND FOR FUCKS SAKE, STOP PAYING MORE THAN $250-$260 A SESSION. YOU'RE PRICING THE REST OF US OUT OF THE MARKET. Hard enough to buy a condo in this town, I don't want to get a second mortgage to have some fun. As it is I can only afford super providers on my birthday or valentines day. Think of it this way: when will you be more upset if you paid $400 for an hour and she has a bad day or if you paid $200 per hour and she had a bad day?

Respect, professionalism and good manners are a 2 way street.

'nuff said.
 
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Kamloopsbc

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We all have bad days...generally i am in a good mood, but got some horrible news a few hours before a scheduled meeting with an SP.
Knowing that I would not be able to be cheerful I texted her to cancel.
She understood and wasn't mad.
I rescheduled a couple weeks later and we had a great time.
My feelings that i would rather an SP cancel my appointment than be in a bad mood when i arrive.
Not every day is a great day for anyone.
 

*emmanuelle

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Huh, I should start offering free sessions for guys who post a bad review. I can't think of anything that might go wrong with that business model! I hope I will still have some free time in my schedule for all those "bootie calls" for a favoured, sensitive, well hung client.
 

westwoody

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Most ladies have a perfectly good idea of how to run their business.
I don't know why people want to give them advice.

Why give away free sessions when you have all the business you want? That devalues the lady, and believe it or not, many ladies DO NOT want unlimited business. They want to work X many hours and do X many sessions.

Ladies can charge whatever they want. If they price themselves out of the market they will adjust their fee scale. They have no obligation to accomodate me or anyone else. What you perceive as a drop in business may seem acceptable to the provider. Not every one wants to work 24/7. Many have families, jobs or school to attend to.
 

CyberJim

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Huh, I should start offering free sessions for guys who post a bad review. I can't think of anything that might go wrong with that business model!
I never said the makeup session was free. We all have to make a reasonable living after all. I was free to refuse her the chance to make it up to me. I haven't technically given her a review since I haven't said who it was. She didn't have to offer. She only did because she felt her service was below her usual standard.
 

jamasianman

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I'll spend whatever I want on providers thank you very much. Sometimes I go for the 220's, sometimes I'll splurge on the 400 an hour specialty ones. I can do whatever I want bwahahahahaha
 

Kamloopsbc

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Most ladies have a perfectly good idea of how to run their business.
I don't know why people want to give them advice.

Why give away free sessions when you have all the business you want? That devalues the lady, and believe it or not, many ladies DO NOT want unlimited business. They want to work X many hours and do X many sessions.

Ladies can charge whatever they want. If they price themselves out of the market they will adjust their fee scale. They have no obligation to accomodate me or anyone else. What you perceive as a drop in business may seem acceptable to the provider. Not every one wants to work 24/7. Many have families, jobs or school to attend to.
Exactly.
And I hope no one thinks my post is about getting freebies or such nonsense.
I was just saying that yes we are all human, and occasionally have a bad day.
Its life, and everyone has a bad day occasionally.

But its foolish to even suggest that an SP offer her services for free for any reason.
I would rather pay a little more and get great service, than save a measly 50 or 100 per hour for mediocrity.

My main point is its okay for an SP to cancel if she needs to because her day sucks.
I've canceled once myself...and had an SP call me to cancel once as well.
I was thankful she cancelled, as she was having a rough day.
My offer to bring her a Starbucks Coffee was warmly received, and I did just that.
We talked a bit as she sipped her coffee, as I am a pretty good listener.
Hopefully having someone listen for 20 minutes helped her out.
Gave her a hug and I left.
Couple hours later got a very nice thank you text from her.
She is a person first, and totally fine to have a bad day!
 

paprides

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I am not certain the intimacies and nature of this business are well suited to "door crasher," type specials, or a business that offers sales incentives.

Either way, the OP makes a salient point(s) yet not all of them I can agree with.

Of course there will be variances in experiences from one encounter to another. It's the same with work days, friendships, vacations, meals at favourite restaurants and many other aspects of life. I suppose guys being guys - we usually have in our heads what a situation may be, end up like or have a preconceived notion of how we'd like appointments to turn out.

Point?

We're all people here, subject to the hue and cry of emotion, perception, desire. All over ridden by being somewhat flawed, some of us/them in a more delicious way than others.
Perhaps what we, er, some of us really aspire to is: building on the encounter and developing some form of a relationship - be it trusted caregiver/provider to client or what have you.

Enjoy. Be polite. Manners never goes out of style.

<rant over>
 

westwoody

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She is a person first, and totally fine to have a bad day!
Recently I put a lady in an awkward situation by pressuring her.

Right away I knew it was a horrible thing to have done, not just a mistake. I even had a bit of a meltdown right here. I still feel sick about it. Someday I will make it up to her, not sure how, but I will.

Cutting each other slack, and respecting each other, pays off in the long run.
 

Kamloopsbc

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Recently I put a lady in an awkward situation by pressuring her.

Right away I knew it was a horrible thing to have done, not just a mistake. I even had a bit of a meltdown right here. I still feel sick about it. Someday I will make it up to her, not sure how, but I will.

Cutting each other slack, and respecting each other, pays off in the long run.

While we are not all the same.
I'm a big fan of someone just saying "Sorry".
Don't add an excuse with it, just a sincere Sorry.
 

westwoody

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There was no excuse for my ignorant behaviour.

I was so embarrassed and ashamed that saying "Sorry" was really hard...but I did it.
 

76duster

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The best service is from girls who just start and if you become a regular.

After a few months of it (or even weeks), the service falls off as it becomes routine for the girl. She sucked one dick, she sucked 'em all.

Only some girls keep good service levels after a few months. I think these are uncommon but they are out there.

There is the rare nymphomaniac who starts off wild and freaky and can't stop herself - sex at her incall, sex in the car, sex in the park, sex anywhere she could get it, always lost track of time, etc. I've only known one and she had to leave the country to stop, but when she returned she couldn't help herself and was at it again. Money didn't matter to her, she'd fuck select lucky guys for free. Finally it took ditching her phone and her emails, and leaving the country to stop.
 

Cami Parker

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NOPE if a lady isn't feeling 100% and her emotional state renders her unable to perform at the level expected and deliver the experienced that a gent spending his hard earned money deserves, (aka you at your very best, happy and relaxed) a lady needs to reschedule with a discounted rate.
It's only fair.
 

Cami Parker

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This is why I advise the ladies a mentor against seeing more than 1 client per day. No one likes to feel burnt out and Noone wants to play with a lady who has a jaded been there, done that attitude. That's no fun for anybody.
The best service is from girls who just start and if you become a regular.

After a few months of it (or even weeks), the service falls off as it becomes routine for the girl. She sucked one dick, she sucked 'em all.

Only some girls keep good service levels after a few months. I think these are uncommon but they are out there.

There is the rare nymphomaniac who starts off wild and freaky and can't stop herself - sex at her incall, sex in the car, sex in the park, sex anywhere she could get it, always lost track of time, etc. I've only known one and she had to leave the country to stop, but when she returned she couldn't help herself and was at it again. Money didn't matter to her, she'd fuck select lucky guys for free. Finally it took ditching her phone and her emails, and leaving the country to stop.
 

sevenofnine

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we all have bad days.
like someone said your horny as hell, and something happens hours before your meeting with your sp. the mood is gone.

I tend to repeat, I like being a regular.
but every sp I have been a regular with has broken down and ended up crying on my shoulder.
I have not broken down. but I have had some definitely bad moments.

it happens
how one deals with it, that is what is important.

I am fortunate, in seeing my sp well more then a decade there is a level of trust and intimacy between us.

as an example my sp went off script, that is all I will say about it a couple months of go,
the next day she felt embarrassed, and had to ask are we still good.

all I said after I stopped laughing is that is a hell of a stupid question

life is long shit happens,
the question is how well do you deal with it.
 

CyberJim

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NOPE if a lady isn't feeling 100% and her emotional state renders her unable to perform at the level expected and deliver the experienced that a gent spending his hard earned money deserves, (aka you at your very best, happy and relaxed) a lady needs to reschedule with a discounted rate.
It's only fair.
That's all I'm sayin' Thank you.

Ladies:

If you're looking for proof of my well endowdedness PM me and I'll refer you to the people on the board I've met or use the Anthony Wiener method.
 

hankmoody

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I've encountered plenty of flakes and disappointing encounters but never had anyone respectfully cancel and reschedule. I wish some would have.
I've had some great first dates but only ever had one second date that was as good as the first. So yes, it can change.
 

Cami Parker

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That's awful..... I'm sorry you've had such subpar experiences...

I've encountered plenty of flakes and disappointing encounters but never had anyone respectfully cancel and reschedule. I wish some would have.
I've had some great first dates but only ever had one second date that was as good as the first. So yes, it can change.
 
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