Defund the CBC?

[rlock]

Defund the CBC so right-wingers and MapleMAGAs can get even more misinformation from bullshit sources on YouTube?

We should strive to help people get smarter, not dumber.

Some movements thrive on people being ignorant (but rapid just the same).
That misinformation is all over youtube like plague, but it is a very well funded plague. Don't ever think it is spontaneous - this is a plan and the whole idea is to make viewers think this is the trend that "everyone" is following. It's not - it's called "astroturfing" - giving the false appearance of a grassroots movement.
They are very cunning in how they work those algorithms, and let's face it, they have massive interconnected resources for propaganda, help from the billionaires who own these social media platforms. They don't have to blot out every other voice, just give a subtle advantage to what they want you to believe, crowd into the top spots of your "recommended" list, and demonetize anything (anyone) that contradicts them.

 

[rlock]

The control the Liberals have over media in Canada is BLATANT.

That has never been the case, but keep telling yourself that - another myth from a movement that has no grasp of realty and never bothers looking into it.

 

[rlock]

I thought the defunding was in full swing. Has been being defunded since the 70's. Used to be my favorite media channel. TV and radio.

Well, soft defunding / getting slowly bled out.
But that is not different than any other agency in government.
I think the government advisors tell themselves they can force agencies to do more with less, trim the fat, etc. - but most are down to bone & sinew already, and end up just doing less with less.

At the same time, they seem to have no shortage of backroom advisors; maybe that is where the money went instead of to actual programs.

 

[Drjohn]

That has never been the case, but keep telling yourself that - another myth from a movement that has no grasp of realty and never bothers looking into it.

So, you're saying that the current federal Liberal government is not subsidizing mainstream media with nearly $600 million in support payments?

 

[oldshark]

So, you're saying that the current federal Liberal government is not subsidizing mainstream media with nearly $600 million in support payments?

So that left wing guy, Harper, I believe his name was, started the Canada Periodical Fund to give money to the media. Then Trudeau comes under pressure from those well known voices of the left - the National Post, the various Sun newspapers, etc. to give them subsidies. Apart from the CBC, the National Post is probably most reliant on government money. No one can say the National Post and its massive chain of newspapers loves Trudeau. I was once at an event where Conrad Black gave the talk and then wrote about it in the Post. That man is nothing but a crass liar. So I am sorry I do not believe the money all goes to organizations favouring the current government. And our local TV stations - well I know that CTV is partly owned by people strongly connected to the Conservative party. It just goes on and on. Please, please do some research, it only takes a moment to realize that you are just yelling. And the people here typically ignore the yellers.

 

[carvesg]

So that left wing guy, Harper, I believe his name was, started the Canada Periodical Fund to give money to the media. Then Trudeau comes under pressure from those well known voices of the left - the National Post, the various Sun newspapers, etc. to give them subsidies. Apart from the CBC, the National Post is probably most reliant on government money. No one can say the National Post and its massive chain of newspapers loves Trudeau. I was once at an event where Conrad Black gave the talk and then wrote about it in the Post. That man is nothing but a crass liar. So I am sorry I do not believe the money all goes to organizations favouring the current government. And our local TV stations - well I know that CTV is partly owned by people strongly connected to the Conservative party. It just goes on and on. Please, please do some research, it only takes a moment to realize that you are just yelling. And the people here typically ignore the yellers.

Well said

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

Defund the CBC so right-wingers and MapleMAGAs can get even more misinformation from bullshit sources on YouTube?

We should strive to help people get smarter, not dumber.

Except here's the difference.

CBC is in fact state-sponsored media. Everything they have broadcasted during Trudeau reign has been biased in favour of him. Look at the Freedom Convoy event. CBC spent more time showing off that ONE FUCKING GUY waving around a Nazi flag than showing a squad of RCMP on horses knock an elderly person off their scooter and trample on him. ....because that Crime Dictator motherfucker wants to prove that the Convoy was pure racist and fascist nonsense, despite the fact that the protest itself was multicultural. CBC was deliberately trying to paint the narrative that it was an insurrection, not a protest... And now today, CBC has no fucking clue how to frame any narrative with this whole "Israel v. Palestine" crap.... and my taxes are funding these COVID clowns? Fuckin' retarded.....at least with private media outlets, I can choose to ignore their nonsense and never worry about losing a dime, that I know government money isn't being used to fund

"MapleMAGA?", oh shut up, you're basically proving what a sucker you are for what CBC dishes out, they made you stupid (not smarter) if that's the best way you analyze such information from them, if the best way to convey your political acumen learned from Canadian media is some idiot-stick binary mode of thought where it's either "Biden-Like" or "Trump-Like"...

I want the Carbon Tax gone..... "oh you're just a MapleMAGA, lololol."......no, the reason for much inflation in the country is because of that tax...."Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, lololol.."....Dude, that tax causes inflation, mass migration is burdening the housing market, overdose deaths have tripled since they decriminalized 2.5g of hard drugs, Native people get a deck full of "get out of jail free" cards (C-75, fyi), and all the money that could be used to eliminate all these problems are being spent on war-torn foreign countries that will no reciprocate, he's a WEF stooge, basing his environmental platform on the tears of some 12year old autistic Swedish puppet...... and Turdope still gets laughed off at every UN function, hardly taken seriously as a "world leader"...

...."Orange Man Bad, duuuuhhhh, lol...".... that's the best you can do? Relate to Trump and Biden to shut out the REAL reason why Trudeau is no good for this county, and to shut down his state-media platform....?

 

[Drjohn]

So that left wing guy, Harper, I believe his name was, started the Canada Periodical Fund to give money to the media. Then Trudeau comes under pressure from those well known voices of the left - the National Post, the various Sun newspapers, etc. to give them subsidies. Apart from the CBC, the National Post is probably most reliant on government money. No one can say the National Post and its massive chain of newspapers loves Trudeau. I was once at an event where Conrad Black gave the talk and then wrote about it in the Post. That man is nothing but a crass liar. So I am sorry I do not believe the money all goes to organizations favouring the current government. And our local TV stations - well I know that CTV is partly owned by people strongly connected to the Conservative party. It just goes on and on. Please, please do some research, it only takes a moment to realize that you are just yelling. And the people here typically ignore the yellers.

So that left wing guy, Harper, I believe his name was, started the Canada Periodical Fund to give money to the media. Then Trudeau comes under pressure from those well known voices of the left - the National Post, the various Sun newspapers, etc. to give them subsidies. Apart from the CBC, the National Post is probably most reliant on government money. No one can say the National Post and its massive chain of newspapers loves Trudeau. I was once at an event where Conrad Black gave the talk and then wrote about it in the Post. That man is nothing but a crass liar. So I am sorry I do not believe the money all goes to organizations favouring the current government. And our local TV stations - well I know that CTV is partly owned by people strongly connected to the Conservative party. It just goes on and on. Please, please do some research, it only takes a moment to realize that you are just yelling. And the people here typically ignore the yellers.

No yelling necessary.

The current federal Liberals are subsidizing mainstream media.

Maybe ask yourself a question, why does media need to be subsidized?

Could it be that a lot of people aren't buying what they're selling?

I don't care if someone's uncle's friend knows a guy that's sure that media in Canada is controlled by a secret group of ultra right wing conspirators.

It's better to get your news from state sponsored media.

It worked well in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

 

[Ray]

No yelling necessary.

The current federal Liberals are subsidizing mainstream media.

Maybe ask yourself a question, why does media need to be subsidized?

Could it be that a lot of people aren't buying what they're selling?

I don't care if someone's uncle's friend knows a guy that's sure that media in Canada is controlled by a secret group of ultra right wing conspirators.

It's better to get your news from state sponsored media.

It worked well in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

If you're still questioning why the media is being subsidized, then you haven't read a single thing posted in this thread.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

If you're still questioning why the media is being subsidized, then you haven't read a single thing posted in this thread.

Good one!! Fits this thread very well.

 

[Drjohn]

If you're still questioning why the media is being subsidized, then you haven't read a single thing posted in this thread.

I'm not questioning why the media needs to be subsidized.

It's being subsidized so the government can control the narrative.

I think most people understand that.

You missed my point completely.

 

[carvesg]

I'm not questioning why the media needs to be subsidized.

It's being subsidized so the government can control the narrative.

I think most people understand that.

You missed my point completely.

As you missed his points too . No worries it's part of any thread turning political or wanting to be political.

Everybody thinks that the big search engines and social websites should pay a tax on a portion of their income coming from the said country . Website traffic created in good part by the local medias in our case Canada....but used for free by those out of country websites. So far a portion of the population doesn't want the money coming from that levy/tax to be redistributed or should be funneled only to the right wing medias .

We are just waiting to hear why keeping that tax money in the coffers or the where those levy/tax funds should be distributed for sake of arguments .

 

[oldshark]

I'm not questioning why the media needs to be subsidized.

It's being subsidized so the government can control the narrative.

I think most people understand that.

You missed my point completely.

Honestly, you are saying that Trudeau is controlling the narrative that the National Post and its sister publications are spouting!! Do you read anything at all? You are just chucking shit at the wall and hoping it will stick.

 

[Drjohn]

Honestly, you are saying that Trudeau is controlling the narrative that the National Post and its sister publications are spouting!! Do you read anything at all? You are just chucking shit at the wall and hoping it will stick.

The thread is "Defund the CBC".

If you think that the CBC is worth spending over a billion in taxpayers money, then I guess we'll just have to disagree.

I don't think the government (any government) should be subsidizing any businesses, period.

Newspapers, TV networks or Volkswagen battery factories.

Nobody asked me if I wanted to invest in these companies.

The Liberals only have a little longer to blow money on their pet projects.

They're done.

 

[stressless123]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbc-news-canadian-broadcasting/

CBC tends to have a left leaning bias. You can check most worldwide news agencies on this website.

I believe a news agencies job should be report facts and not form a opinion/narrative. That should be reserved for people to do after looking at all facts. But unfortunately most media throughout the world tends to report news by adding their own opinions in it.

I personally support defunding the CBC until it loses its bias and reports straight facts without leaning in either direction. I don't want it to be influenced by the government thats in power (don't care if its liberal or conservative). You can not deny that when someone gets funding from someone else there would be some degree of bias and favouritism involved. Thats why I would rather it be independent and self sustainable and not be dependent on any government funding. It can still stay a public broadcaster but not be reliant on public funding. There are ways it can work to generate revenue to be atleast be cash flow neutral.

But on the other side of argument, I fully understand that remote areas of Canada only have CBC to rely on sometimes and that's I why I would rather put that funding in developing broadband/fiber internet or telecom connectivity in those areas so that the people there don't rely on one singular source. Instead they should be able to consume media from all around the world by being connected to internet. This does more good for them, opens up more opportunities, etc. I strongly believe that internet has lots of potential to offer so take the money away from CBC and invest it so all Canadians can benefit from being connected, improve education, entertainment, trade and whatnot.

A crown corp or public corp should not be running in losses and be dependent on bailouts. If its always running in loses then somethings are definitely wrong in the way its being operated and we shouldn't just always blame it on the fact that it has to serve entire country so loses are justified. We need to work to make it so that its atleast able to fund its own operation through other revenue channels. Solutions to this should be independent of which side of politics you lean on. Public entities are for public good but if they aren't able to deliver that public good without being a public burden then something needs to change.

 

[Drjohn]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbc-news-canadian-broadcasting/

CBC tends to have a left leaning bias. You can check most worldwide news agencies on this website.

I believe a news agencies job should be report facts and not form a opinion/narrative. That should be reserved for people to do after looking at all facts. But unfortunately most media throughout the world tends to report news by adding their own opinions in it.

I personally support defunding the CBC until it loses its bias and reports straight facts without leaning in either direction. I don't want it to be influenced by the government thats in power (don't care if its liberal or conservative). You can not deny that when someone gets funding from someone else there would be some degree of bias and favouritism involved. Thats why I would rather it be independent and self sustainable and not be dependent on any government funding. It can still stay a public broadcaster but not be reliant on public funding. There are ways it can work to generate revenue to be atleast be cash flow neutral.

But on the other side of argument, I fully understand that remote areas of Canada only have CBC to rely on sometimes and that's I why I would rather put that funding in developing broadband/fiber internet or telecom connectivity in those areas so that the people there don't rely on one singular source. Instead they should be able to consume media from all around the world by being connected to internet. This does more good for them, opens up more opportunities, etc. I strongly believe that internet has lots of potential to offer so take the money away from CBC and invest it so all Canadians can benefit from being connected, improve education, entertainment, trade and whatnot.

A crown corp or public corp should not be running in losses and be dependent on bailouts. If its always running in loses then somethings are definitely wrong in the way its being operated and we shouldn't just always blame it on the fact that it has to serve entire country so loses are justified. We need to work to make it so that its atleast able to fund its own operation through other revenue channels. Solutions to this should be independent of which side of politics you lean on. Public entities are for public good but if they aren't able to deliver that public good without being a public burden then something needs to change.

Well said, I'm glad somebody gets it.

 

[vanperb]

I'm just going to point out that "left leaning bias" in the case of CBC doesn't equal to "Trudeau is our supreme leader." Or else you wouldn't get headlines like "Trudeau goes into 2024 in dire need of a better story to tell", or "Trudeau once spoke of a new era of transparent government. We're still waiting"

What left leaning bias here means are things like coverage of LGBTQ issues, criticism of the fall of Roe v. Wade, immigration flows, MAID access, etc. These are more social issues than political ones. And yes, politics effect everything, but you know what I'm trying to say.

In terms of Crown Corporation, they absolutely have every right to run at a loss as long as they are providing a public good. In this case publicly accessible entertainment and news information. A lot of people have forgotten that normally you have to pay for these. Try loading up an article from the New York Times, or even a up and comer Brilliantly, and you'll be hit by a paywall. Try accessing MSNBC or CNN without a news bundle from a provider. And yes, we do pay for it via our tax dollars, but I believe it's a worth having a national news outlet that isn't run on the whim of quarterly revenue driven investors or an Australian billionaire.

(Does anyone remember when Fox news actually swung Left? It was for a while until they found they could drive more ad revenue the further they pushed Right.)

 

[80watts]

Canadian Content.
The narrative in Canada is that Canada is a socialist country (free health-care, welfare, free high school, free roads to drive on).
The problem with Canada is that its very large. It has large infrastructure to look after, and lacks the population for its big infrastructure.
Media has changed from newspaper to TV and now to the internet with social media. Before the 2106 election scam of Facebook, most if not all advertising dollars were going to social media sites; not TV stations. For the average TV station that would do reporting, it meant less reporters to do stories.
So being subsidized by the Fed gov helps media give better reporting. At least I hope so.
Its on par with malls losing stores because of internet buying through Amazon, ebay or other big chain stores like walmart.
Canadian Content is important, it defines how we are Canadians and not Americans. Similar, but not the same.

 

[islander1-1]

While your on your "bent" of defunding. Why not defund the The Canada Postal Service, BC Ferries, The public Libraries, the public road crews, the police and fire departments, The free health and medical, you get my drift??

 

[Drjohn]

While your on your "bent" of defunding. Why not defund the The Canada Postal Service, BC Ferries, The public Libraries, the public road crews, the police and fire departments, The free health and medical, you get my drift??

"Free health and medical"

Lol.

Maybe you don't pay taxes but I do.

Nothing is free my friend.

Nothing.