Is racism worse than anti-semitism?There is no such thing as reverse racism.
We as white people do not experience racism.
The automobile is a cultural icon to many people. There is argument about who invented it but there is no argument that it was a white man. Should only white men be able to sell automobiles? Who decides what is and what is not something that can be profited on in our society?This is NOT accurate.
Anyone can make a dreamcatcher if done with respect but only Native American decedents, or those initiated by Elders or a Tribe can sell them if they choose to do so.
A culture that suppressed these traditions should not profit off the very one they tried to destroy.
This is not just my personal viewpoint as a Status First Nations person who lived/grew on reserve.
A survey on Facebook was conducted in a Native American group with over 158,840 members were 98% of Native Americans voted that anyone can make a dreamcatcher but only Indigenous peoples can sell them if they choose to do so.
Cars do not have special cultural significance unique to white people. It's not hard to see the distinction.The automobile is a cultural icon to many people. There is argument about who invented it but there is no argument that it was a white man. Should only white men be able to sell automobiles? Who decides what is and what is not something that can be profited on in our society?
So who gets to decide what has cultural significance to anyone else?Cars do not have special cultural significance unique to white people. It's not hard to see the distinction.
For another analogy, it's illegal to wear the decorative medals etc. of an enlisted military person if they're not real or yours. If you wear or use the item without connection to its meaning, you're disrespecting it.
Additionally, there's resentment over say celebrating a white person doing something or wearing something "traditionally black" when a black person doing or wearing the same thing is regarded with suspicion or contempt. e.g. black model with cornrows is told they're "too urban" but then white model wears cornrows and gets a magazine cover for being daring.
You have never been to a NASCAR race have youCars do not have special cultural significance unique to white people.
Again you really have to ask? That's where "the people who originated it" come into the equation.So who gets to decide what has cultural significance to anyone else?
So who decides who constitutes that amorphous group of “the people who originated it” and gets to decide whether something is cultural appropriation or not?Again you really have to ask? That's where "the people who originated it" come into the equation.
Again in analogy, an artist creates a painting: It may have significant personal meaning to them and they don't want to see it plastered on Instagram or on T-shirts, they may be fine with it as long as they get paid (or at least get credit), or they may say "go for it"... but regardless the polite thing is not to just do what you wish with it without consideration for where it came from.
The only practical problem when it's a culture and not a person is that no one person or group speaks for the whole culture. Still you can read the room as they say.
Let's put it this way: if you have no claim to the thing's origins, then the answer is "not you". So then you do a little research to find out who does have a claim and you see what they think, on average, weighted by how convincing their claim is to the thing.So who decides who constitutes that amorphous group of “the people who originated it” and gets to decide whether something is cultural appropriation or not?
Who gets to “read the room”?
Your correct....Medals awarded cannot be worn by anyone but the person that earned them.Cars do not have special cultural significance unique to white people. It's not hard to see the distinction.
For another analogy, it's illegal to wear the decorative medals etc. of an enlisted military person if they're not real or yours. If you wear or use the item without connection to its meaning, you're disrespecting it.
What drivelLet's put it this way: if you have no claim to the thing's origins, then the answer is "not you". So then you do a little research to find out who does have a claim and you see what they think, on average, weighted by how convincing their claim is to the thing.
Of course you may not realise something was culturally sensitive. So, when you find out later, see above.
Or one could continue to ignore common sense and pretend there are no reasonable answers to these questions.
Who said that? The point is to respect the culture not to keep everyone in their own boxes. If somebody else's religious symbol is merely your fashion statement, you're doing it wrong. And if you're going to celebrate a thing when someone outside the culture adopts it, but look down on it if someone from the culture that created it does it, you're also doing it wrong. It's just a matter of understanding and connecting to the people you're "borrowing" from rather than just storming in and helping yourself to whatever you like.So, these dances should only be done by the originators? We'd still be in the stone age if people didn't borrow from other cultures...https://vimeo.com/435609071?fbclid=IwAR0O_eiQWEaw6hUOj0XIfkrIqhD2ERjkBxPTVRevZPFh1cS-0XbiWckB2v4
We’re talking 30 years ago when Madonna and Sinead O’Connor were in the news for blasphemy. Flash forward to post Marilyn Manson and no high profile individual or, more importantly, media outlets are going to make a big deal over anyone of any race, age gender etc wearing or selling catholic/christian symbols for fashion-in the west that is. Same goes for anyone profiting off art(songs, clothes, crafts etc) that intentionally desecrates christian symbols or themes. This only applies to Christianity in the western world of course, and would not apply to other religions or cultures here. I’m not religious and I take no umbrage about this, just pointing out the double standard.If anyone is old enough to remember when Madonna debuted "Like a Virgin"... there was a big uproar about her wearing a crucifix as a fashion statement with no apparent regard to its religious significance. It's like that.
That's a whole other topic. A couple thoughts on that:We’re talking 30 years ago when Madonna and Sinead O’Connor were in the news for blasphemy. Flash forward to post Marilyn Manson and no high profile individual or, more importantly, media outlets are going to make a big deal over anyone of any race, age gender etc wearing or selling catholic/christian symbols for fashion-in the west that is. Same goes for anyone profiting off art(songs, clothes, crafts etc) that intentionally desecrates christian symbols or themes. This only applies to Christianity in the western world of course, and would not apply to other religions or cultures here. I’m not religious and I take no umbrage about this, just pointing out the double standard.
blah blahs blah. Who gets to decide when someone is respecting the culture, religion etc or simply adopting it as a fashion statement?Who said that? The point is to respect the culture not to keep everyone in their own boxes. If somebody else's religious symbol is merely your fashion statement, you're doing it wrong. And if you're going to celebrate a thing when someone outside the culture adopts it, but look down on it if someone from the culture that created it does it, you're also doing it wrong. It's just a matter of understanding and connecting to the people you're "borrowing" from rather than just storming in and helping yourself to whatever you like.
You've seen enough examples of double standards, selective outrage and past cultural practices and I'm wondering what you think is acceptable, and what you deem to be CA that either is acceptable, or not never ever. Feel free to use some of the examples in this thread.Who said that? The point is to respect the culture not to keep everyone in their own boxes. If somebody else's religious symbol is merely your fashion statement, you're doing it wrong. And if you're going to celebrate a thing when someone outside the culture adopts it, but look down on it if someone from the culture that created it does it, you're also doing it wrong. It's just a matter of understanding and connecting to the people you're "borrowing" from rather than just storming in and helping yourself to whatever you like.
You really shouldn't bother asking questions if you're not interested in the answer. It's more than clear you didn't start the topic to understand the concept, but just to rebuke it.blah blahs blah. Who gets to decide when someone is respecting the culture, religion etc or simply adopting it as a fashion statement?
Absolute thinking doesn't do anyone any good on either side of the fence. And Twitter proves that no matter what the subject you'll find someone outraged about something. But it's also no way to go through life not taking other perspectives into consideration. There's no calculus for this problem.You've seen enough examples of double standards, selective outrage and past cultural practices and I'm wondering what you think is acceptable, and what you deem to be CA that either is acceptable, or not never ever. Feel free to use some of the examples in this thread.
When the mob decides, based on nothing but "feelings", or by appropriating outrage on behalf of another culture, it would be nice to know how certain people make those determinations, and which fit the bill.