Congress to start TRUMP impeachment process

[golferjohn]

While many are blind to the corruption of the Clinton's, Obama's, basically all Democrats...they will make a mountain out of a single grain of sand if Trump does anything.

...let me get this straight, are you implying that The DOJ, FBI, NSA, CIA,etc. are all 'deep state' operatives for any/all Democratic Offices? And Clinton/Obama etal aren't currently incarcerated because of it? Or do you believe the Democratic Presidents were so deft in hiding 'their corruption' and were aided by every Intelligence Agency in their own 'cover-ups'?

I'm just curious as to why 30% +/- are so vehement in 45's defense? What's in it for them? Do they really stand to gain anything? Is 'The Brown Menace' going to take their jobs and rape their daughters?

Perhaps it's really as simple as the behavior is exhibiting...just another cash-grab, but this time it's my money

 

[Shakerod]

...let me get this straight, are you implying that The DOJ, FBI, NSA, CIA,etc. are all 'deep state' operatives for any/all Democratic Offices? And Clinton/Obama etal aren't currently incarcerated because of it? Or do you believe the Democratic Presidents were so deft in hiding 'their corruption' and were aided by every Intelligence Agency in their own 'cover-ups'?

I'm just curious as to why 30% +/- are so vehement in 45's defense? What's in it for them? Do they really stand to gain anything? Is 'The Brown Menace' going to take their jobs and rape their daughters?

Perhaps it's really as simple as the behavior is exhibiting...just another cash-grab, but this time it's my money

I think it is more about them never thinking that Trump would get elected and that Hillary would continue to cover up the corruption. What you have to remember is the Republicans under the Bush’s had a lot of crimes they were covering up as well. I am sure the Deep State was hoping Jeb Bush would have been the Republican candidate to keep the crime syndicate going. The public were sick of the Bush and Clinton’s and wanted power brought back to the people. Trump said just that in his Inaugural speech.

It doesn’t matter what his approval rating is on this board, or in Canada. He still has an approval rating in the U.S. that’s around 50%. That’s why the Deep State needs to get rid of him. He will win the next election by a landslide.

 

[JimDandy]

This is what Jeff Flake, a former GOP Senator, wrote to his Republican colleagues:

"My fellow Republicans, it is time to risk your careers in favor of your principles. Whether you believe the president deserves impeachment, you know he does not deserve reelection," wrote Flake, who represented Arizona before he left Congress earlier this year. "Our country will have more presidents. But principles, well, we get just one crack at those. For those who want to put America first, it is critically important at this moment in the life of our country that we all, here and now, do just that."

"Trust me when I say that you can go elsewhere for a job. But you cannot go elsewhere for a soul."

Wow! Very strong words! Has the tide finally started to turn on Trump?

JD

 

[Correct]

I think it is more about them never thinking that Trump would get elected and that Hillary would continue to cover up the corruption. What you have to remember is the Republicans under the Bush’s had a lot of crimes they were covering up as well. I am sure the Deep State was hoping Jeb Bush would have been the Republican candidate to keep the crime syndicate going. The public were sick of the Bush and Clinton’s and wanted power brought back to the people. Trump said just that in his Inaugural speech.

It doesn’t matter what his approval rating is on this board, or in Canada. He still has an approval rating in the U.S. that’s around 50%. That’s why the Deep State needs to get rid of him. He will win the next election by a landslide.

Well said!
Much better than I would have worded it.
While I am not able to speak in depth about my past life, what I did as a profession for almost two decades, has given me a much better view of politics, and government corruption around the world. The corruption of the Democrats is so deep, they can get a murder they planned, on a man who was supposed to be guarded in prison, labeled as a suicide, before he spill the dirt on them.
They can make anyone disappear, or appear to have committed suicide they want silenced.
Hunter Biden was sent to the Ukraine to work the inside path on corrupt deals, and bury the secrets that they never wanted getting out.
The Dems are overreacting about a simple phone call by Trump, because they are nervous as hell that someone might speak about their atrocities. If I could have a do over on my life, I would have simply stayed in the RCAF and served 8 years, then left the Air Force and opened my own flight school somewhere, and lived a quiet life. I was young and naive, but with time became almost too good at my job. So stayed in it for a long while, and now can't unsee the things I have seen. But anyone who is happy just burying their head in the sand, and going on believing that the Democrats are the good ones, is welcome to do so. Sometimes ignorance is bliss!

 

[licks2nite]

Burisma Group was founded in 2002 by Ukrainian businessman Mykola Zlochevsky and Nikolay Lysin. Now it is owned by Mykola Zlochevsky, who was minister of natural resources under Viktor Yanukovych. Zlochevsky returned to Ukraine in February 2018 after the corruption investigations into his Burisma Holdings had been completed in December 2017 with no charges filed against him.

....founded by Mykola Zlochevsky some time ago, but he later sold his shares [in 2011] to the Privat Group,” which “is a conglomerate controlled by the ferocious Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky,” who “is one of the oligarchs charged with holding down the Eastern provinces of Ukraine,” and who “is far too ebulliently Jewish to look like a neo-Nazi.

Zelensky, prior to becoming Ukraine’s President, had been the star of a popular comedy series on Ukrainian television that was telecast by Ihor Kolomoysky’s 1+1 Media group.

On 12 May 2014, Burisma Holdings announced, “Hunter Biden Joins the Team of Burisma Holdings,”

....the myth that Zlochevsky was Hunter Biden’s boss and benefactor at Burisma isn’t only in the ‘news’-media that are controlled by U.S. Deep State that controls the CIA, which controls America’s major ‘news’-media, but it is also in the Web’s main encyclopedia, Wikipedia, which is not only edited by the CIA, but also, to some extent, written by the CIA.

....the Trump Administration wants Kolomoysky to be prosecuted for financial crimes instead of Zlochevsky to be prosecuted, and so Zelensky [the recently elected Ukrainian president] is being pushed one way by Democrats, and the opposite way by Republicans.)

....that Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian benefactor was Zlochevsky instead of Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, will continue to be asserted virtually everywhere throughout the U.S. empire, for as long a time as the matter continues to remain in the ‘news’. Of course, if that turns out to be the case, then Joe Biden will continue to be portrayed in this matter as having been a crusader against corruption in Ukraine, instead of as having been the aspiring founder of yet another billionaire American dynasty.


Complete article:
Here Is The Dirt Trump Wanted About The Bidens (And Why Zelensky Doesn't Want To Give It To Him)
Sun, 09/29/2019 - 13:00
Authored by Eric Zuesse via The Saker blog
http://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt...im-hidden-by-rampant-falsehoods-in-the-press/

 

[DangerousDan]

There is no smoking gun. If there was, everybody would agree. This is all just a shitty sequel to the Russian Collusion narrative. Lots of talk but nothing will come of it in the end. The Democrats are stupid to distract themselves on this because it won’t them elected.

 

[badbadboy]

There is a blatant trail of Russian connections and corruption in Biden's and the Clintons past that has been ignored or downgraded by those departments and the mainstream media so you might be onto something there! Interesting. Never saw you as a conspiracy theorist!

I meant it more as a satirical comment about the abundance of whataboutisms and flat out Tinfoil Hat theorists posting in this thread.If you think I’m a conspiracy theorist, then I think I was successful.

If those agencies have dirty hands as you state, WH needs to subpoena them in federal court to prove it. Otherwise it’s just the same old rhetoric to change the commentary about #45 to your list of Democrats.

 

[clu]

There is no smoking gun. If there was, everybody would agree.

You overestimate people.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I meant it more as a satirical comment about the abundance of whataboutisms and flat out Tinfoil Hat theorists posting in this thread.If you think I’m a conspiracy theorist, then I think I was successful.

If those agencies have dirty hands as you state, WH needs to subpoena them in federal court to prove it. Otherwise it’s just the same old rhetoric to change the commentary about #45 to your list of Democrats.

For the ones certain that Trump has done something impeachable in his call, and who are ignoring, or defending Biden, I'd like to know what they'd think if the country Biden threatened to withhold funds from wasn't Ukraine, Canada.

How would it go over for a Mike Pence to threaten to withhold money, or support to Canada unless we fired a federal prosecutor involved in a corruption investigation of a company his son was a director of? And how do you think the MSM would play it?

 

[Hugh Jass]

I meant it more as a satirical comment about the abundance of whataboutisms and flat out Tinfoil Hat theorists posting in this thread.If you think I’m a conspiracy theorist, then I think I was successful.

.

And you think I really didnt know that ?:eyebrows:

 

[80watts]

The fact that Trump ask directly for outside (USA) help on getting "dirt" (for political reasons) on the Bidens, clearly speaks that he has broken his oath of office. To the face of the world he is to uphold American values and USA Citizens.

The President is answerable to the US government elected officials (congress and senate), this is why they are able to impeach the President. Ultimately to the people themselves.

Trumps Character is soulless. Go back and watch the Apprentice. He loved putting his thumb on top of people and squishing them and then firing them. He loved it. Trump has enough charisma that you can't notice that he is soulless and only wants to make money for himself. Before the election, Bankers on Wall Street would not lend him money without substantial collateral, he countered by saying he was rich enough to self finance himself. Why did the bankers not want to lend him money, he had several failed business ventures (bankruptcy) where the banks and contractors lost their shirts.....

Now he is talking about some type of Civil War (maybe trying to get those Marvel comic movies ratings), but he as the President of the USA is supposed to hold the country together; not break it up like a corporate take-over and sell the individual states for a higher profit than they are worth together....

Trump is paranoid too, he is the only President of the USA to insist he have his own private bodyguards, instead of the Secret Service Agents....

Lets hope the impeachment is successful for the betterment of the people in the USA, otherwise some joker will want to have his 15 minutes of fame by shooting the big lard-ass.

 

[badbadboy]

For the ones certain that Trump has done something impeachable in his call, and who are ignoring, or defending Biden, I'd like to know what they'd think if the country Biden threatened to withhold funds from wasn't Ukraine, Canada.

How would it go over for a Mike Pence to threaten to withhold money, or support to Canada unless we fired a federal prosecutor involved in a corruption investigation of a company his son was a director of? And how do you think the MSM would play it?

I’ve stayed on topic about #45 potentially being impeached throughout this entire thread. On the other hand the anti Democrat’s and anti mainstream media have constantly claimed #45 is innocent and Obama, Biden and Clinton are the evil triumvirate. Of course with nothing substantial to back it up as usual.

Hey if you think Biden is guilty, prove it by posting something from your non msm and let’s have a look at it. Hopefully it won’t be anything from Breitbart, Alex Jones or Ben Shapiro.

 

[Correct]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Joe Biden as Vice President, withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine until the prosecutor who was investigating his son was fired....and he bragged about it on camera...yet some of you think his hands are clean, and his boys hands to. Here is the transcript of the Trump call that the Democrats and left wing media are trying to turn nothing into a mountain.

heres-the-trump-zelensky-transcript

This is just as ridiculous as the Mueller report that found nothing!

ps. Places like CNN are NOT main stream media...they are far left wing whackos. CBC is also far left, and should change its name to Communists Broadcasting Corruption.

 

[golferjohn]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Joe Biden as Vice President, withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine until the prosecutor who was investigating his son was fired....and he bragged about it on camera...yet some of you think his hands are clean, and his boys hands to.

The Ukrainian prosecutor that The US (and just about every other EU Country) were leveraging to have ousted was turning a blinds-eye to corruption (including NOT going after Biden Jr's company of which he wasn't even contracted with yet). After the removal of said prosecutor, companies were being investigated (Jr's too) more aggressively by the replacement.

I just want to ask one, simple question...why are you (and I guess about 30% of The US) so vehemently defending 45? If Obama/Bush II/Clinton/Bush behaved in a similar fashion, would you be as passionate? I just don't get it

 

[overdone]

This is just as ridiculous as the Mueller report that found nothing!

is English your first language?

cause I watched Mueller speak, the little that he did, he clearly didn't indicate that his report was full of nothing

he basically said it wasn't his job to bring charges against a President

didn't say someone else shouldn't, based on what he found

 

[80watts]

Trump got elected to drain the swamp..... In my opinion he has made the swamp a little deeper and added several layers by dividing Americans with racist comments, twitter tweets cause he thinks he is a TV star. He comes up with a plan, executes its, and declares bankruptcy when it fails; that is his life's work. So when his stuff as the president fails, who pays.... The American people.

As a Canadian, if an Canadian politician went to another country to get political help, I wouldn't vote for the asshole. Trump is run by the money. Trump's tax returns tell the truth where his money comes from. Before the election Trump was not open and honest about his money/business practices. He hid the Stormy Daniels payoffs. So the question is what else is he hiding?

Ever watch that show about the Trump Airplane and his trip to the golf course in Scotland. The type of people he has employed makes me want to puke.....Total suck up to the boss attitude.

So back to the topic, the Republican senate leader said if the congress approves of impeachment, he has no choice but to bring it before the senate. It is American Law. The republicans in the senate will have to face the question of:
Is the President breaking the law or his oath of office, if so, they would have to find him guilty.

Its kind of funny, as soon as I heard about the outcome of the 2016 election I immediately was thinking impeachment. Talking to other people, they were thinking the same thing. Very Odd....

If impeachment happens, America is in for a world of hurt with Mike Pense, I think democrats think he is the antichrist.... probably why Trump chose him....

Also what was interesting the staff and appointments to offices most of these people were not 1st choice candidates nor 2nd choice candidates; the good (the most experienced and respected candidates) republicans found other things to do real quick... says alot of what people in his own party think of Trump. The Republican party wanted a winner and choose Trump and it bit them in the ass.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Its kind of funny, as soon as I heard about the outcome of the 2016 election I immediately was thinking impeachment. Talking to other people, they were thinking the same thing. Very Odd....

That tells you all you need to know. The Democrats, and a lot of other "Not My Presdident" loonies were determined to get rid of Trump as soon as Clinton tanked, and have not stopped pushing that agenda ever since.

They have thrown everything at him - sexist, rapist, philanderer, bankrupt, Russian agent, Russian colluder, briber, obstructionist, etc etc. Whenever one attack fizzles, they move on to the next.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a disgusting person in many ways, but the non-stop obssession of the MSM and Democrats (Schiff inventing running commentary, insisting he has proof, but never shows it) to overthrow, and "get" him is more despicable than anything Trump has done.

 

[clu]

That tells you all you need to know. The Democrats, and a lot of other "Not My Presdident" loonies were determined to get rid of Trump as soon as Clinton tanked, and have not stopped pushing that agenda ever since.

They have thrown everything at him - sexist, rapist, philanderer, bankrupt, Russian agent, Russian colluder, briber, obstructionist, etc etc. Whenever one attack fizzles, they move on to the next.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a disgusting person in many ways, but the non-stop obssession of the MSM and Democrats (Schiff inventing running commentary, insisting he has proof, but never shows it) to overthrow, and "get" him is more despicable than anything Trump has done.

I'm firmly convinced the only reason Trump was elected president was to push the Democrats buttons. And if he wins again, it's going to be primarily because the same electorate wants to see "leftists'" brains explode.

 

[badbadboy]

That tells you all you need to know. The Democrats, and a lot of other "Not My Presdident" loonies were determined to get rid of Trump as soon as Clinton tanked, and have not stopped pushing that agenda ever since.

They have thrown everything at him - sexist, rapist, philanderer, bankrupt, Russian agent, Russian colluder, briber, obstructionist, etc etc. Whenever one attack fizzles, they move on to the next.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a disgusting person in many ways, but the non-stop obssession of the MSM and Democrats (Schiff inventing running commentary, insisting he has proof, but never shows it) to overthrow, and "get" him is more despicable than anything Trump has done.

The Mueller report was damning but stopped short of any recommendations for prosecution based upon ‘a sitting president’ which is uncharted constitutional territory. I can see it being used post #45 era as a basis for further investigation. He won’t walk away unscathed with emoluments, money laundering and tax implications too.

When he wondered out loud if he could pardon himself, he was serious.

 

[Shakerod]

The Democrats are projecting everything they have done on to Trump...it’s not going to work...the truth is going to come out...because the truth trumps (no pun intended) propaganda every time.

On Sept. 13th Justice Inspector General Micheal Horowitz informed members of Congress that he has completed his one and a half year investigation of the fake Trump-Russia collusion- known as Spygate. The ball of accountability now is in the court of Attorney General Bill Barr. Counter to what the mainstream media is telling you right now the Deep State is in total panic mode. This whole impeachment charade is just to keep this fact out of the news and to counter the IG report with the narrative: “He’s doing this to get back at us because of the impeachment.” The Democrats have totally overplayed their hand and they are going to be exposed.