Canucks and Colorado....9 - 2 Final

mike617

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bertuzzi has played as a prima dona.
he also has played as cheap type of player ---see the type of penalties.
the puck seems to follow him and with his talent can be a strong player ,unfortunately the money has gone to his head and he acts a stuck up player on the ice.you must question his leadership ---doesn'thave it.
 

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massageseeker said:
and not sure about leg or arm movement ..
Latest info on Sportsnet Pacific is that Moore has movement in his arms and legs. Full recovery, while no doubt a long way off, is definitely possible.

I have been a Canuck supporter for many years. While I do think that what Bert did was extemely stupid for his team and for himself, I also believe what has been said about Todd's reaction and emotional state over this incedent. Burke just had a press conference and while he couldn't and wouldn't go into specific details on the hit, he did say that Todd had planned to make a statement at the press conference today, but was too emotionally distraught to appear. This information has also been substantiated by John McKeachie on the Team 1040 who spoke to Todd's agent on the phone. Todd has been trying to contact Steeve Moore to express his feelings, but as far as has been reported by Burke, has not yet been able to. Burke also said that the Vancouvre Police are doing a preliminary investigation of the incedent. So far no information on their progress.
 

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I'm sure it is true but people are different on the ice vs off the ice.
you have to question his leadeship (money) when can't control his cheap way of playing
 

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mike617 said:
sw guy
I'm sure it is true but people are different on the ice vs off the ice.
you have to question his leadeship (money) when can't control his cheap way of playing
I totally agree with you that it was a cheap-shot and I wouldn't be surprised if the League throws the book at him and he doesn't come back to the ice until next season - whenever that may be. If it had been any other player on any other team, I'd bet on a 10-game suspension. But given the history, all they hype and lead-up for these last two games with the Av's and that it was on Moore himself, I think the League will use all this to set an example.

Berts play since signing has been known to throw me into fits of ranting and raving over the everpresent drop pass, sometimes to no-one, the penalties while we're on the PP, the constant "Bertuzzi was offside by half a step" calls. He's always jawing at the ref's when he gets called and its hard to find a time when it looks like he's actually skating rather than gliding around. All that being said however, I believe that some of his lack-lustre performance of late comes from the fact that he gets watched closer than probably anyone on the ice. Anyone remember the Golatender Interference penalty he was assessed in the last Colorado game? His stick grazes Aebischer's stick and that's goalie interference? How can a forward with the talent that Bert obviously has play to his potential when he lives under a microscope on the ice?
 

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true however if you look at that interference call,beruzzi made a deliberate choice to tap the top of the goalie's stick with his stick as the shot was coming .Even the game announcers then remarked about his type of penalty.This is the cheap type of play I talk about culminating in the Moore problem.Bertuzzi choses to do these things instead of playing the game the way it was meant to play.
I hope he changes .He could great ala Clark Gillies Cam Neeley etc.
 

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wow
I didn't think it was THAT bad...
I'm lost for words at the moment
It was a cowardly, premeditated act against a smaller player that did plenty of damage. Even worse is that Bertuzzi went after Moore from behind, catching him completly unaware and defenceless. He slugged Moore's head from behind and drove it into the ice. Moore landed face-first -- with Bertuzzi on top of him -- and then lay in a pool of blood until removed from the ice on a stretcher.

You'd expect a little more class from someone pulling down about US $7 million per year. I guess money can't buy brains...
 

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He slugged Moore's head from behind and drove it into the ice. Moore landed face-first -- with Bertuzzi on top of him --
I've watched the replay many times and I agree that it LOOKS like he intentionally drove his head into the ice. I know that that's how it was reported by Shirty and Larscheid (sp?) on NW, but both guys were falling, Bert landed on Moore's back, and Moore's head twisted to the side as he hit the ice. Bert's hand appears to have come up as he was falling as if he was trying to push himself away from Moore while falling.

I'm not defending Bert. What he did was stupid and wrong. But I cannot believe that Bert would intentionally try to do as much damage as was done. Sucker-punch from behind? Yeah, I can see him doing that. Intentionally reaking the guy's neck and back? Not likely. Keep in mind, too, that 5.. FIVE.. other players piled up on the two of them after the hit. That's about 1000+ pounds more weight on Moore's back and neck.

Before we hang him, lets look at all the info first.
 

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I think Bertuzzi will get a regular game suspension that will carry over until next season (13 games left this year plus 5 to 10 games for next year).

In addition Bertuzzi will not be eligible for a minimum of the first two rounds of this year's playoffs.

I also suspect the Vancouver Police, as a result of the McSorley process, will have no option but to charge him with assault.

All in all, difficult times ahead for Todd Bertuzzi.

Everyone in the hockey community will analyze, dissect and criticise his actions endlessly.

Hey... do you think that means most of the hockey community must be members of PERB then?
 

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Dave Pratt summed it up: "There is a kid in the hospital, with a concussion and a broken neck" - "who cares about the playoffs" see Vancouver fans do not support Brashear and Pratt & Taylor are from Sportnet and TSN lets just hope Moore recovers - - who cares about the cup now
 

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Game was over...

Canucks were way behind...

They wanted to send a message for what they did to Naslund...

Bertuzzi wanted to fight him and was getting tired from following the guy all over the freakin ice.

So he grabbed him... said 'c'mere you little sh*t' and clocked him.

I'll bet you in hindsight, Bertuzzi will tell you he was tired and - if he had to do it over - would have waited for Moore to get the first shot in.

Do I condone it?

F*ck no!

But I will bet you Bertuzzi feels horrible right now and would give anything to change what happened.
 

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davevictoria............i play hockey and have all my life. There is no such thing as an unfair hit. Either the hit is clean or not. Fairness is never factored in. Should Moore have turned away from Naslund? He could have, but then he wouldn't be doing his job. Believe you me i hated seeing Naslund go down like that but thats hockey. Moore didn't get suspended because there wasn't anything wrong in his actions. It was extremely unfortunate that Naslund got a concussion, but that was from him hitting his head on the ice. Not from Moore's hit. Your are right about one thing "Dave Pratt is a tub of goo."


There were a number of contributing factors that led to Moore getting hurt. As Moore was going down there was Bertuzzi, Ohliund and a Colorado player(name escapes me) that all fell forward onto Moore.

I think Bertuzzi should have to face some discipline but not to the extent that i am hereing from some. This is not the same ordeal as the McSorley and Brashear incident. You can't compare someone who takes a weapon and lashes out at someones head to another player who throws a punch. Granted it was a very cheap and bone headed thing to do, but it doesn't warrant a 20 game suspension. I would say 5 games, although if the league gives him 10 that wouldn't surprise me. They have to have someone to set as an example. Bertuzzi just might be the fall guy.

space..............Moore would never stand up to Bertuzzi. He knows he would get his bell rung. The word was if there was an opportunity there would be retribution against Moore. This wasn't retribution. It was just plain stooopid. --- Kev
 

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Kev said:
space..............Moore would never stand up to Bertuzzi. He knows he would get his bell rung. The word was if there was an opportunity there would be retribution against Moore. This wasn't retribution. It was just plain stooopid. --- Kev
Very stoopid... but I think the dynamics will play out with the suspension I have suggested.

The only variable will be how long will the suspension be in the playoffs.

As for Moore... of course he wouldn't stand up to Bertuzzi (would you?)

That's why Bertuzzi finally said 'enough of this sh*t... c'mere' and POW!

Stoopid indeed. But you know as well as I, reason doesn't always function when fatigue sets in and when emotion overrides common sense.
 

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I don't condone what Bert did at all

BUT

If Colin Campbell would have given Moore the suspention that he deserved for a cheap hit on Naslund this whole situation would never have happened.

Colin Campbell is the one who should step up, appologize and take partial responsibility.

If he would do his job, the players would not feel like they have to seek revenge.
 

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BTW, didn't the Avs already get their retribution when one of the Canucks fought with Moore earlier in the game?
 

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wolverine said:
BTW, didn't the Avs already get their retribution when one of the Canucks fought with Moore earlier in the game?
I would have thought so. But Matt Cooke is not Todd Bertuzzi. --- Kev
 

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When Matt Johnson punched Jeff Beukeboom in the head from behind he received a 12 game suspension. He also had two previous suspensions for incidents the previous season. Brian Burke will be arguing Bertuzzi's case to the league, given Bertuzzi's previous league disiplinary history and similar nature of his offense Burke should use this incident as the precedent for Todd's punishment. Twelve games would have Todd back just in time for the playoffs.
 
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