Cancellation Fees? Yay or Nay ?

[badbadboy]

I've been reading about a movement by International SP's to get their counterparts worldwide onboard to have a cancellation fee structure installed for (I guess) visiting International SP's. Perhaps to make places in Canada an International destination for hobbying. Without these fees, there is not much of a lure for visiting SP to travel to Canada. Opinion is it would be a waste of time to tour only to find the clients have gone into hiding!

Admittedly, when I first saw the subject online, my thoughts were, this is utter bullshit. Looking back on my pooning career if you want to call it a career lol; I'd say I've been cancelled on by SP's probably 90% compared with me re-scheduling perhaps a weak 10% of the time. I've never cancelled on a visiting SP but have been cancelled by them and sometimes under dubious circumstances aka "double booked".

So my questions are:

Would you support Cancellation Fees to encourage International visiting SP's to come to a destination in Canada? Would you suggest they "Go Pound Sand" ie not a hope in Hell? or would you listen to them if it is a requirement of a deposit for them to visit?

Personally, I would contribute a minority deposit to ensure a spot if that guaranteed my interest. It would have to be refundable should they pull a No Show.

Open vote, just curious?

 

[UhOh]

Wouldn't be me. There's enough local talent I've not yet seen so why would I take a financial risk with a traveling girl?

 

[johnsmit]

I generally can see how some one will know what mood they will begin a week from now let alone 4 weeks in the future.
When I feel like seeing some one , can afford it and think that I will stay horny enough to satisfy every one concerned then I book an appointment. And that's usually with in a few hour period.
If the girl I want to see is not available then I might move one or wait another day.

But there is no way I can book days or weeks advance let a lone pay a fee up front ...That comessage back to that paying in advance for a discounted visits.

Whether they are local ,national or international , the woman need to do there due diligence and book with clients that have refrances. Just like us guys have to check who we book with

I think if any international escort wanted to come here they would market them selves for the type of client that does want to see them
Now many high end cortisons have clients that pay up front and pay there flight here .They probably all ready visit but have no interest in the local rable.

 

[take8easy]

Personally speaking, I only see well reviewed local SP's so out of towners are not for me. I made the mistake of seeing one and it was the worst experience ever. I don't TOFTT and I don't see out of towners. There are plenty of great women in Vancouver and my TDL is verrrrrrrrrrrry long!

I would not deposit an advance anyways. so cancellation fee doesn't apply in my case.

T8E

 

[poonerboi]

I have always been leary of ladies that tour. If their services were good, you would think they would have enough regulars in their hometown!

 

[westwoody]

International escorts and their counterparts worldwide?

Is the a section of the GATT on this?

 

[felixthecat]

International escorts and their counterparts worldwide?

Is the a section of the GATT on this?

Even if there is, the Donald will renegotiate it.

 

[87112]

I have always been leary of ladies that tour. If their services were good, you would think they would have enough regulars in their hometown!

They also ask for very high prices. Most 350 and up for the hr, TOFFT at touring rates is for someone else.

 

[westwoody]

I do not understand how "International Escorts" have any leverage here.
None of them are better than what is here already.
How do they think they can dictate how Canadian women operate?
The whole idea is silly.

 

[badbadboy]

I do not understand how "International Escorts" have any leverage here.
None of them are better than what is here already.
How do they think they can dictate how Canadian women operate?
The whole idea is silly.

There has been a lot of discussion on Twitter about it. Basically if Toronto or any place wants to be an International Touring Stop, pooners will need to have their references ready, make Deposits, cancellation fees & to expect higher rates.

If you look at some of the ladies here, many are touring to Toronto, Washington DC, Boston, NYC, DFW, LAX etc. All of their rates are in USD and much higher than what the market would bare here but are appropriate in some areas of the USA.

 

[westwoody]

They can stay home.
I'm not interested in any Internationals. I've seen American and Brits, nobody is better than Canadian ladies.

I am not paying a big premium and jumping through hoops for an illusion.

 

[badbadboy]

Rates are higher in US because of many factors such as higher level of violent crime, the exchange rate and harsh law enforcement.

I'm not interested in any Internationals. I've seen American and Brits, nobody is better than Canadian ladies.

. . . . and that is why we have a poll with open discussion about the subject. :thumb:

Lately I've been seeing visiting SP's. Mostly because some of my regulars have retired and I've not found local replacements yet.

The thought of cancellation fees sort of made me say 'ok, I'll pay if I need to cancel, what about if you cancel on me?'

 

[badbadboy]

Touring can be both expensive and time consuming. With that being said, asking for a deposit is pretty standard for most touring girls. A deposit/cancellation fee covers the providers travel and upscale accommodation in the worst case scenario that she doesn't make enough money to break even on her trip. There's only oh so many clients a girl can see in a day, some girls prefer to only see a select 1 or 2 clients per day for an extended date. Flight, luxury hotel, etc. can easily come out to be $2000+ (and that's just within Canada. International ladies have much higher costs a lot of the time.) I've seen girls go on tour only to come back losing money because of how many potential clients cancelled last minute. Maybe it's due to the fact that clients are booking too far in advance, who knows. All I can say is that I see nothing wrong with asking for a deposit and I encourage ladies to ask for one when touring.

Ladies go on tour for different reasons, it's not necessarily because they can't get enough clientele in their hometown. Sometimes it's nice to travel, meet new people and just get away from your usual day to day life. I would be touring all year if it were up to me but unfortunately that's not doable for me at the moment.

Hi Tessa

I agree if a pooner is booking a touring SP for > 4 hours it's reasonable to have a deposit placed to ensure 1) his place is secure 2) the SP is covered should the pooner no show etc.

I usually book for two hours and have never been asked for a deposit. I'm assuming my references say the right things so the deposit is unnecessary.

I have been cancelled on by touring SP's and I've lost count the number of times I received the old promise:

"so sorry, I'll give you $X off our next date to make it up to you". (Never happened lol :blah: )

 

[westwoody]

Tessa I have no problem with deposits for ladies I know and trust. Sometimes I just pay in advance.
One lady, I paid her in January for a meeting that didn't happen until August. No problem.
But an advance or deposit on someone I do not know, and may never see again is not going to happen.

 

[johnsmit]

I once booked a new years eve date .
It was. $1000. Aday or to be for. I came down with a cold and told the lady I could not make it , I had a cold .She was upset and said it was to late to set up another client.
I agreed to pay her the whole amount and drop it off to her be foreasier new years eve.
On new yrs eve I felt better. So I phoned her to see if she still could meet up .
No she had other plans..

I ended up dating her but I realized laterms it was a sugar daddy situation.about 1 and half yrs later and over 100k she suddenly droped me.The best thing she did for me.

I went on to meet some pretty awesome girls and made friends that don't take that kind of advantage of me .

But be cause of that one and only incident that I books a week or more in advance...I won't do any advance bookings and have not even attempted to do an new years date in 12 yrs.

 

[rlock]

I do not like to use anything but cash - so would I be comfortable with a deposit situation? Nope.

That being said, I've never invited an out of town SP (or any) for a whole day, a weekend, an overseas trip together, etc. - rules would be different there, whether the SP is local or "international".

So I'm going to say my vote is 90% "no", 10% "it depends" ...










.... depends on me winning the lottery I think. :hopelessness:

 

[ReaganAdams]

IMO, a cancellation fee is only fair, especially if it's for a multi-hour call that the client cancels on within 24-48hrs of the booking.

Please try to understand this from a provider's perspective. If you're not comfortable with sending a cancellation fee, then don't book a touring provider. This is our livelihood! How will we pay our bills with cancelled bookings?

For example, on my trip to Calgary in January last year, a client that I had seen previously had booked a substantial date. He had make this booking in December, at least three weeks prior to the date. Because it was a substantial booking with a previous client, I had only booked him for that day, so I could give him my full energy and attention. Lo and behold, 22 hours prior to the booking, he cancelled. I asked for a reasonable cancellation fee, which was equal to the cost of the room. He absolutely refused to show me any goodwill (I gave him the options of either e-transfer or amazon gift card, both of which are reasonable), and I was unable to book anyone else in for that day. Definitely unfair to myself and any client that I had previously turned away for that day.

 

[johnsmit]

I'll agree that if a guy books a multiple hour get together weather it is a local or a visiting lady he should realize that she would turn away other clients.
If he ends up canceling with in the day of the appointment they yes there should be some compensation. Of course that's up to him and how he respects the women he sees.

I deffinetly would pay a part of the fee if I canceled a prearranged appointment,as I have done in the past.

But again that should be my perogative and part of my charter that respects the women I see.

But I won't book if I have to pay a days or weeks in advance , and then don't know if I will be able to make the appointment.

One question is .How many other professionalside that supply a service can get payed in advance and charge a cancelation fee or get payed one.
There is allways a business risk in taking pre booked appointments and I realized some times it could be for a thousand dollars or more .other time only a few hundred.
Never the less any one in the service business take those same risks..Their job might not be as intamate , but they still do it for the money and miss that income too if the job is canceled at the last min.

I was in the construction industry for many yrs and there were many way to loss money or loss contracts that I counted on too.
And there were no tip for a job well done. .There were repeat clients.

 

[badbadboy]

IMO, a cancellation fee is only fair, especially if it's for a multi-hour call that the client cancels on within 24-48hrs of the booking.

Please try to understand this from a provider's perspective. If you're not comfortable with sending a cancellation fee, then don't book a touring provider. This is our livelihood! How will we pay our bills with cancelled bookings?

For example, on my trip to Calgary in January last year, a client that I had seen previously had booked a substantial date. He had make this booking in December, at least three weeks prior to the date. Because it was a substantial booking with a previous client, I had only booked him for that day, so I could give him my full energy and attention. Lo and behold, 22 hours prior to the booking, he cancelled. I asked for a reasonable cancellation fee, which was equal to the cost of the room. He absolutely refused to show me any goodwill (I gave him the options of either e-transfer or amazon gift card, both of which are reasonable), and I was unable to book anyone else in for that day. Definitely unfair to myself and any client that I had previously turned away for that day.

Sorry to hear of this cancellation. I travel a lot throughout Canada and USA on my own dime and have set appointments planned weeks in advance. Having one client attempt to change things once the airfare and hotels are booked is usually not easy done. So I fully understand your predicament. I know its very expensive and not easily recouped should an appointment get blown out.

I think if there were a lot more mutual respect by pooners and SP's regarding cancelations it will be much easier to discuss a 'fee'.

Nobody likes to be cancelled on. I think there some SP who do not seem to appreciate that Pooner's time is actually equally valuable to pooner's as it is for SP's. Leaving them at the doorstep not answering the buzzer is a fairly common problem if you look at some of those threads.

This past summer I had a date planned with an evening out with an SP which I had to fly back to YVR to meet her. Tickets to an event, reservations, flights all set and once I got to the departing airport I received a text from her cancelling the date. I was pissed. No mention of making things up to me, nothing. Just those costs alone were $700.

 

[uncleg]

No to deposit or cancellation fee..... In my business I will charge one or both depending on the circumstances. Difference is, what I sell is legal to buy. I screw somebody over there is ample recourse for the client. Can you imagine going to court trying to recoup a deposit on a sex purchase gone bad....not likely. Most of the ladies operate this as a business where good-will is important...some don't give a shit..and then there are the....retiring soon bunch that have been retiring for the last 10 years. Just my luck, I would pay a deposit on the tour when they really do retire and my only joy would be to compare notes on PERB with the rest of the schmucks that paid for the retirement.