body fluid & STD

[shak]

I DID read your post wrong. Which STI? In most cases, the commonly found STI's couldn't live outside the human body, it's still a low risk activity but stranger things have happened so still you're not out of the woods. But you'd have to prove the giver didn't wash their hands. It wouldn't hurt to ask them to wear gloves if you are that concerned, oh wait I talkin' to Shak...

Okay, so most common STI couldn't live outside the human body. Does this mean that the virus/bacteria dies instantly once exposed to air? Or does this mean that they will die shortly after exposure to air? If it is the later, why is it considered "low risk"?

hahah, just because I defend the idea about HIV through BBBJ, doesnt mean that I partake in BBBJ

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

She is right... we are all infected... at least that's what the cute nurse at "six one six one!" told me... there about 200 forms of herpes and we all have some form of it apparently... but it's nothing to be too concerned about... the only one you really need to be concerned about is HIV to the best of my knowledge... all the other ones are curable... somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Herpes or genital warts are not curable.

If death is a major concern then it's HIV.
But STI's and the way they are transmited and contracted is paramount. Particularily since SPs with little to no restrictions and the clients who use and seek them, are the perfect vehicle to spread them. Cover up.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Okay, so most common STI couldn't live outside the human body. Does this mean that the virus/bacteria dies instantly once exposed to air? Or does this mean that they will die shortly after exposure to air? If it is the later, why is it considered "low risk"?

hahah, just because I defend the idea about HIV through BBBJ, doesnt mean that I partake in BBBJ

As said before, low risk but stranger things have happened. An "off" day perhaps.

And I could've sworn seeing something with you searching for an SP that did BBBJs. I could be wrong but there is an archive... And don't forget there is more to sexual safety than HIV/AIDS. Many other infections have been proven to to be transmitted through BBBJ.

http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp


Play safe, people.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Herpes is HSV btw, not HPV.

There is Herpes Simplex Virus (herpes) which is a strain of Human Papilloma Virus. HSV 1 &2 produce visible outbreaks and can be found on genitals.

 

[shak]

As said before, low risk but stranger things have happened. An "off" day perhaps.

Simply stating that its low risk without giving any specific doesnt really answer my question of why it is a low risk activity. Where is your source on this one? Do you have any medical qualification under your belt?

And I could've sworn seeing something with you searching for an SP that did BBBJs. I could be wrong but there is an archive... And don't forget there is more to sexual safety than HIV/AIDS. Many other infections have been proven to to be transmitted through BBBJ.

http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp


Play safe, people.

I actually used the archive function and looked through all my post. I did make 1 post seeking for info on asian SP who provide BBBJ, to which no one ever answered. Thats why I never get around to it. However; please dont hijack my thread and turn it into another BBBJ teaching post like you normally do. Not every health question is related to BBBJ, you know?

I am still waiting patiently for a registered nurse or someone who IS professionally trained to answer question like this.

 

[Sydney]

Herpes is HSV btw, not HPV.

Correct.

There is Herpes Simplex Virus (herpes) which is a strain of Human Papilloma Virus.

Incorrect.


Herpes Simplex Virus I (HSV-1) causes cold sores.

Herpes Simplex Virus II (HSV-2) causes genital herpes.

Both of these have also been known to cause the other. You can be diagnosed with HPV-1 on your genitals and HPV-2 on your mouth. I know, what a mess. Some people have both.

You need to have actual contact with the virus (be it contact with the sore itself, another part of the body which has been in contact with the sore or an inanimate object that has been in contact with the sore) to get it.

Herpes Zoster causes chicken pox and shingles.
You can become infected with this just by being in the same room as someone who has it. You generally do not get chicken pox twice (unless you didn't get it "bad enough" the fist time). You can get shingles even if you have had chicken pox. And not just once. When your immune system is down which happens often in the elderly, you will see recurrent cases of shingles, after the first case.

Herpes Zoster is not HSV-1 or HSV-2 and will not cause the recurrent cold sores around the mouth or genitals.

If you have ever had a cold sore, you do have HSV.
If you have ever had a genital herpes sore, you do have HSV.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we all have herpes because we have all had the chicken pox. Again, the virus that causes chicken pox is not the one that will cause HSV and present you with mouth sores or genital sores.

And, Human Papilloma Virus is none of these. It's an entirely different virus which causes warts and the like.

As for the orignal question,

Started with protected sex for sometime and the SP tells you time is up or you simply wont cum. The girl offers you a hand job to get you off and you accepted. She removes the condom with her hand and start giving you a hand job. Now, there was obviously her body fluid on the condom before she removes it and it shouldn't be a suprise that she got some of her own vaginal fluid on her hand when she tries to get rid of the condom.
I understand that the risk for the SP is probably minimum or none. What about the guys?

There's vaginal fluid on the outside of the condom. She gets it on her hand while removing the condom from you. She then procedes to stroke you. Yes, her fluids are now in contact with you and you are at risk. The risk is small but a risk none the less.

Gawd, what a filthy world!

Simply stating that its low risk without giving any specific doesnt really answer my question of why it is a low risk activity.

A handjob with residual pussy juice off the condom is lower risk than many other sexual acts for pretty obvious reasons. Perhaps it falls into a moderate risk category.

I am still waiting patiently for a registered nurse or someone who IS professionally trained to answer question like this.

Agreed.

Sydney xo

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

My bad!

Incorrect.


Herpes Simplex Virus I (HSV-1) causes cold sores.

Herpes Simplex Virus II (HSV-2) causes genital herpes.

Both of these have also been known to cause the other. You can be diagnosed with HPV-1 on your genitals and HPV-2 on your mouth. I know, what a mess. Some people have both.

You need to have actual contact with the virus (be it contact with the sore itself, another part of the body which has been in contact with the sore or an inanimate object that has been in contact with the sore) to get it.

Herpes Zoster causes chicken pox and shingles.
You can become infected with this just by being in the same room as someone who has it. You generally do not get chicken pox twice (unless you didn't get it "bad enough" the fist time). You can get shingles even if you have had chicken pox. And not just once. When your immune system is down which happens often in the elderly, you will see recurrent cases of shingles, after the first case.

Herpes Zoster is not HSV-1 or HSV-2 and will not cause the recurrent cold sores around the mouth or genitals.

If you have ever had a cold sore, you do have HSV.
If you have ever had a genital herpes sore, you do have HSV.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we all have herpes because we have all had the chicken pox. Again, the virus that causes chicken pox is not the one that will cause HSV and present you with mouth sores or genital sores.

And, Human Papilloma Virus is none of these. It's an entirely different virus which causes warts and the like.


Sydney xo

Right you are, Sydney.

Note to self (Stephanie), read the entire article before shooting your mouth off.

The article I read in a medical journal where it read the the associations and the development of cancers from HSV and HPV. I read it too quickly and not thoroughly. Big mistake. I suppose I also got wrapped up in the "herpes" prefix to these viruses. Different kinds, same root word. Anyways, I do want to apologize, my intentions were not to come off as a professional in the matter, at least not until I attend and finish medical school. A lesson to learn here regarding HPV from what I've read all the way through, HPV is highly contagious and can spread without visible outbreaks or symptoms, condoms are not 100% foolproof but it's better than nothing.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Shak, I don't like your tone. Back the F(*^ up!

Simply stating that its low risk without giving any specific doesnt really answer my question of why it is a low risk activity. Where is your source on this one? Do you have any medical qualification under your belt?


I actually used the archive function and looked through all my post. I did make 1 post seeking for info on asian SP who provide BBBJ, to which no one ever answered. Thats why I never get around to it. However; please dont hijack my thread and turn it into another BBBJ teaching post like you normally do. Not every health question is related to BBBJ, you know?

I am still waiting patiently for a registered nurse or someone who IS professionally trained to answer question like this.

Actually, you hijacked your own thread I just went along for the ride. All you needed to do was to not respond to my jab.

Now, I've never said I was a professional in the matter of sexual safety but that has never stopped anyone from taking such advice. At the very least I've done something to hopefully answer some questions, I provided a link that has been verified by local health care officials in sexual health and working alongside to impliment a similar system to give the general public in this area (pooning). What have you done besides ask the questions, which there is no harm in it you're just another person looking for answers, and wait for the medical professional in this forum? If it is so important for you to get the results from a professional, why did you post/start a thread open for every member to put in their opinions or knowledge of the subject? Might I suggest sending the Health Nurse a PM. Here's an even better idea, instead of waiting for the medical professionals to answer all the while the non-medical members post you answers until you are satisfied, do a Google search on city government sponsored sexual health clinics, compare the information consistency is key. If that's too difficult for you, then march yourself down to a sex cliinc and ask. Either way, all the information is right at your fingertips.

So in a nutshell, kindly STEP OFF.

 

[shak]

Now, I've never said I was a professional in the matter of sexual safety but that has never stopped anyone from taking such advice. At the very least I've done something to hopefully answer some questions, I provided a link that has been verified by local health care officials in sexual health and working alongside to impliment a similar system to give the general public in this area (pooning).

well, CLM, you dont have to feel offended by my eariler post. I was simply asking you to state your source so I can do some follow up reading or if you you have gone through any medical training and I can take your words as advise from an expert. Because you never said you are a professional in the matter of sexual safety, thats why I wanted to ask.

The link you provided is totally unrelated to the original question that I have started? I dont see how it ties into the question? Am I missing something here? Is there a link that I am suppose to click after I got to the page?

What have you done besides ask the questions, which there is no harm in it you're just another person looking for answers, and wait for the medical professional in this forum? If it is so important for you to get the results from a professional,why did you post/start a thread open for every member to put in their opinions or knowledge of the subject?Might I suggest sending the Health Nurse a PM.

Knowing that very fortunately, we have a group of registered nurse here to answer some of the health related questions. I am simply taking advantage of that. I could send Health Nurse a PM, but I feel that by posting the question out to public, I can raise some awareness to the public. In addition, there could be more people wondering about the same question. Since the question is not personal, why not?

Here's an even better idea, instead of waiting for the medical professionals to answer all the while the non-medical members post you answers until you are satisfied, do a Google search on city government sponsored sexual health clinics, compare the information consistency is key.

Yes, there are tons of information on sexual safety. For example, the link you have provided is a very good one. However; most of them are too general and as you can see, my question is very specific. If you happened to find some related link/info, can you please post them ? Like I mentioned earlier, I couldnt find anything on this link you provided.

If that's too difficult for you, then march yourself down to a sex cliinc and ask. Either way, all the information is right at your fingertips.

Well, the original question was hypothetical so I am not really worried myself. I could have gone to any one of the sex clinic and ask, but I am a very lazy person.....

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

According to...

So, it is no news that exchange of body fluid is one way of getting STD. However; I am wondering if one should be concerned in the following case...

Started with protected sex for sometime and the SP tells you time is up or you simply wont cum. The girl offers you a hand job to get you off and you accepted. She removes the condom with her hand and start giving you a hand job. Now, there was obviously her body fluid on the condom before she removes it and it shouldn't be a suprise that she got some of her own vaginal fluid on her hand when she tries to get rid of the condom.

I understand that the risk for the SP is probably minimum or none. What about the guys? I think the above situation described actually happens more often than we think.....

several government sponsored medical sites regarding sexual safety, a sex trade worker giving you a handjob is fairly harmless provided the worker doesn't have all sorts of cuts on their hand and you not having any cuts on your dick. There needs to be a passage for an infection to get a hold of your (receiver) body and do some damage.

Fluids from an infected person doesn't usually penetrate or absorbed through the skin. There needs to be more of a direct contact eg. open wounds, deeper cuts.

But what about the urethra you ask? It doesn't happen often but it has happened an infected person with infected body fluid shimmies down your (receiver) urethra. But because the urethra pushes out and not in itself therefore the cases are very little.

One of the reasons why "lesbian sex" has lower cases of STI contraction and transmission has got to be that vaginal fliuds contain lactobacilli, it has antibacterial properties. Remember the link I've posted, oral sex on a woman giving or receiving poses very little threat of STI transmission and contraction. If that poses very little threat then a handjob is relatively the same or less of a threat. But stranger things have happened. There are never any guarantees. Even condom packages have a similar disclaimer: protects a certain percentage when used correctly. And in this case contraction and transmission via handjob is extremely low risk but none the less a risk. There is always that remote possibility and your number is up.

 

[shak]

several government sponsored medical sites regarding sexual safety, a sex trade worker giving you a handjob is fairly harmless provided the worker doesn't have all sorts of cuts on their hand and you not having any cuts on your dick. There needs to be a passage for an infection to get a hold of your (receiver) body and do some damage.

Fluids from an infected person doesn't usually penetrate or absorbed through the skin. There needs to be more of a direct contact eg. open wounds, deeper cuts.

But what about the urethra you ask? It doesn't happen often but it has happened an infected person with infected body fluid shimmies down your (receiver) urethra. But because the urethra pushes out and not in itself therefore the cases are very little.

One of the reasons why "lesbian sex" has lower cases of STI contraction and transmission has got to be that vaginal fliuds contain lactobacilli, it has antibacterial properties. Remember the link I've posted, oral sex on a woman giving or receiving poses very little threat of STI transmission and contraction. If that poses very little threat then a handjob is relatively the same or less of a threat. But stranger things have happened. There are never any guarantees. Even condom packages have a similar disclaimer: protects a certain percentage when used correctly. And in this case contraction and transmission via handjob is extremely low risk but none the less a risk. There is always that remote possibility and your number is up.

Now thats VERY informative, more or less the answer that I am looking for.
Thx CLM!!

Heath Nurse, if you are reading this can you maybe give us your comment on this issue as well?

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

The same answer would apply if you used digits on a sex trade worker. Vaginal fluids on your fingers but fairly harmless. In any risk the more risk for the receiver as the fingernails can cause cuts and scratch the vaginal or anal walls, portals for disease.

 

[Health Nurse]

Hello all: Sorry we are so late with our reply, just getting organized. We will start with the original question first. In summary the question is:

What infections are you at risk for when exposed to vaginal fluids while getting a hand job?

We would say that getting a hand job is one of the lowest risk ways of having sex. When exposed to vaginal fluids at the same time the risk is still low, you just need to be aware of a few things. The thing to consider is the infections that are transmitted via vaginal fluids. The HIV risk from this type of contact would be very very low. The HIV dies on contact with air. Syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes may be passed but the risk would also be low.

So while the risk is low, many STD’s have no symptoms, so it is a good idea to get tested regularly.
The following link provides info for STD/HIV clinics in BC: www.stdresource.com/clinics/index.php You can also see your own doctor.

Something else to consider is your “risk tolerance”. Sexual activity has physical and possibly mental health implications. It makes sense to gather accurate information on the risks involved in your sexual activity - then decide what risk you can accept.

Mental well being is also important. So if what you do causes worry or anxiety, then you may want to think about what you need to change so that you are more comfortable. It is not uncommon for us to see people in our clinics in regard to this matter and sometimes it helps to talk with someone experienced in sexual health.

HN
www.stdresource.com

 

[vancouverman]

Health Nurse .... welcome ... I see you found your own corner on PERB.

Finally a source of a good information.

Please ... visit us often

 

[Health Nurse]

Thanks for the link.

The San Francisco city clinic certainly have a great web site and provide good information. On another thread titled What can you get how? We have provided a comment on the risk chart.

The risk chart provides a good overview on what types of infectious you could be at risk for when performing a sexual act. The only criticism we have is that when you look at the risk of performing oral sex on a woman it lists very few infections. What we posted on the other thread is the following:

I would certainly be concerned about syphilis and possibly Hepatitis B.

What this means is that if you were performing oral sex on a woman make sure that when you get a blood test they check for syphilis. It would also be important to have your vaccination shots for Hepatitis B, which is 3 shots over 6 months. You can get testing and Hepatitis B vaccination free at anyone of our clinics.

Even though HIV is also seen as a small risk when performing oral sex I would still recommend a regular HIV test as vaginal secretions contain HIV virus.

Feel free to post a reply or send us a PM if you would like us to expand on any topic.

Health Nurse
www.stdresource.com