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Fred Zed

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UP ABOVE SMILING
This warning was sent to me by a Vancouver SP - Fred ZED
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I would like to propose a warning for any and all those involved in the
sex industry by way of a permanent post on the boards. The fellow I'm
speaking off, Douglas Smith, and his company Neoteric Designs is probably
on the run to other cities across Canada, but with your help and influence
hopefully this guy will stop before he gets another person to consider
suicide after fleecing them of about $15,000 (no joke this actually
happened). His approach is to cold call every provider in the city for a
deal of a lifetime. $1000 for a website and it includes a photo shoot with
the city's favourite photographer. I, myself ended up with a website but
the photo shoot was not to happen until September, that's when some
irregularities started to show. I didn't fall for the cold call but saw
that a colleagues website had Neoteric Designs credit as the designer and
host of the site (later found out that that the website was lifted from a
weak server and placed on their own). I spend the money in increments.



Douglas also was starting up an outcall agency call Hush Entertainment
where he tried to solicit me to join the "Hush" team, complete with
website. The girls however were not notified their pics were amongst the
alleged talent available through this agency. All the girls were working
independently at the time and had no reason to work for an agency. Within
a few weeks and almost daily phone calls from Douglas stopped after I paid
my remaining balance from the website deal and needed changes to be made
on my site that had to be done by September 1/05 to reflect my new rates.
Mute. Then his ex-girlfriend called to warn me of this guy. At first I
discounted the call as one from a bitter ex-girlfriend until she told me
that it all started with her credit card being billed for Domain Names. I
new there were at least four charges on my account with the same content.



I called the company and discovered 4 additional charges (I thought they
were related to my site so I never disputed them), that were not
registered to my site or my name. And now he's got my money. Left in his
wake are several notable providers in this city who had a website with him
and his company, removed from circulation online as well as their money.



At one point all you had to do was click on some link and you'd be
directed right to the site. Now nothing. I was the lucky one who managed
to get my site on a different and secure server before he could get his
hands on it. This guy is a salesmen to the point of being annoying. He
doesn't know when to stop. He also drops more names than a correspondent
from Entertainment Tonight. And you Fred Zed were no exception, yup he
claims that you are one of his closest friends, a well as the photographer
who was to shoot exclusively for Neoteric Designs and several other high
standing citizens involved in this industry all the while bad-mouthing
several innocent people (SPs, photographers,etc)


The charges:
-Theft (monies, production tapes, photos, website material, etc)
-Fraud (ask Exxxotics, Gentlemen World they'll tell what happend after
they both terminated him) - Self-plagiarism and copyright infringment
(using a site his company designed and using the exact same one for
another client)-for being a dickhead all together This guy is a relatively
smart man, stealing only small amounts of money as to not generate
interest from the police. And targetting those in the sex industry
obviously not wanting to draw any unwanted and unintential attention from
the public and police on those victimized. That was until he sent someone
over to my place to "scare me off". Too bad I scared the crap out of the
guy he sent. But that's another story. Anyways, he is not running with a
large amount of money.


He will strike again. No one is safe (SPs, MPs,
anybody wanting to boost their business) and he is moving to the casting
couch arena, why I bet he'll get an underage girl to have sex with him on
tape to air online. I wouldn't put it past him. Let's make business very
difficult for him.

Now you can post the above, remove the names and have it available only by
PM, or email from me or which ever is convenient for you. But this has to
be posted permanantely on all the boards you have, or have any influence
with in the continent.
 

Very Veronica

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Aug 2, 2004
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I too was involved with this schmucky psychopath but he was so brazenly all talk/no action that i pulled the plug before he could fleece me. My sincere condolences to you and your friend.
 

ace85

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Jan 30, 2004
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Totally scared and intimidated and respected.

Sounds like she has some "connections".
 

vancouverderek

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I can Vouch for this....

As one of the people that he maligned and knowing many of the others that he attempted to rip off or ripped off, I can vouch for the validity of this claim against him.
 

Creole Lady Marmalade

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Here's the story...

Picture it Aug 30 2005
I was minding my own business when Doug stopped by my incall to pick up the balance of my website deal. He had stopped by before a few weeks prior for some idle chit chat as his office was nearby. I gave him the money and went about my business. he told me that I had a big mouth with all my yacking on PERB and that one day it would get me in trouble. Also posted on PERB about "Buffalo Bill" in Surrey and how he'd always honour his sessions with me.

Aug 31 2005
Took my appointments as usual and then I received the phone call from a woman. At first she wanted to warn me of "Buffalo Bill" but there was no need as he'd never done me any harm or inconvenience. She then warned me of Douglas Smith, my heart dropped and ears perked up, "Huh?", I replied. "Oh no, you are friends with him", she said. "No no", I replied, his company is doing my website but I've always been a little weery of half the things he's said. Tell me what happened."

She went on to tell me that she was ripped off badly by this guy and that several SPs at the moment who had a website with him had their websites wiped out by him. She mentioned that it all started out with credit card charges that were never approved or purchased by her. That got me thinking and I told her that she would hear from me the next day. I had already talked to Doug and he assured me that my website would display all the changes that needed to be done by September 1/05. I went home and spoke to a friend who would later host my website.

September 01, 2005
I tracked down the credit card statement with all those charges, again I thought they were associated with my domain name and website. Called the company and found out that of 5 charges, only one was authorized and entitled to me. Phoned my friend/web host and spoke briefly about getting my website off Dougs/Neoteric Dezynes's server and on to his server.

The beginning of the month means rent is due (for me it's on two places). I called VancouverDerek (he had been run through the Douglas Smith Rumour Mill, if you ever heard anything derogatory about Derek IT'S NOT TRUE!) about the disk of photos Doug had possesion for the use of my website. Thankfully they were not the originals and if they were sold to anyone else it would just be a legal matter for me to bring up to the buyers. I then called Douglas to get the disk from him at his office, it was on my way to the bank so I'd stop by and his web designer would be there to hand it over. Stupid me, I arrived to find the gate locked 20 minutes before anyone in that office normally leaves for the day.

After finally moving my website over to my friends server, I headed back to my incall a few blocks away to sort out some paperwork and charge my phone. I was winding down, about to head home and talking to my new girlfriend (the guardian angel who'd warned me of this fellow) when my door phone rang. I hadn't taken any appointments all day, so it struck me as odd, maybe it was just a wrong number. I picked up and some guy with a Hispanic accent was looking for someone but I couldn't make out the name or what he was saying. "Sorry man, wrong number." Continued to talk to guardian angel until my phone died , "Aw crap, I'll call her when I get home", I muttered to myself.

I opened my apartment door and there he was leaning against the wall right outside my door after I had locked it. The Hispanic fellow on my door phone. "Pamela?",he inquired. "No man, there's no one by that name here.", I replied. "I was told Buzz#---- and apartment#--- for Pamela (Pamela of Sweet Pamela is one of Doug's victims), he stammered. "Dude, I don't know what to tell you but I've been here a year and trust me there is no one by that name in this apartment", pissed off. After he had mentioned my door code and was standing ouside my door I knew Douglas and set this all up for me. I followed the unprepared goon to the elevator and got on to find that the elevator was going up, not down and with a resident inside heading up to the 7th floor. I stood there in the elevator not letting my eyes off this weasel when the elevator stopped to let the resident off. Let's call the weasel Rico. The elevator ceased to move until one of us punched a number, and I'll be damned if I was gonna, following Rico I knew he would lead me right back to Doug. Rico pushed the button for the lobby.

The elevator jumped up instead of down and stopped at the 10th floor picking up another resident. But before the doors had a chance to close, Rico jumped out. "Fuck!" Thank God there was no one getting on the lift on the way down as to disrupt my meeting this guy in the lobby. I jumped out at the lobby and told my land lady of the creepy guy trying to get in and then finding his way outside my apartment door and was probably heading down the fire stairs. I would wait at the elevators and she would listen and wait at the stairs. Ten minutes had past and nothing.

I went home and felt pretty uneasy. I finally went back to my incall at 12am with my brother in tow as I suspected that Rico was abut to break in to my place. We got there and not a speck of dust moved from it's place. That confirmed my worst fears, Rico was sent at a time where I was supposed to be in that apartment. Perfect time to...

Present Day
Now I now all this seems to much for all of you to absorb. But all these things were too much for them to be a coincidence. Rico had my buzz code and apartment number (Doug was there a couple of days ago), he asked for Pamela (Doug's client), and I had been there an entire year, jumping out at all sorts of floors after I knew what Rico was up to and he wussed out. Too weird.


Douglas baby, I now you are reading this.
I don't have any enemies (well, maybe ghostie) and if anything happened to me, I have every member on this board, who had read this, as a witness. If anything happens to me, everyone here will know where it came from and will come looking for you or at least point their fingers in your direction and the rest will take care of itself.
 

Creole Lady Marmalade

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Please note:

Douglas will stay in the Adult Industry because there is a butt-load if money to be made in it. Be especially weery of any new production (kama sutra productions was his company) companies, escorts agencies, webcam, anything involved with the sex industry. If you are not sure about the ad in the paper, post an inquiry here on PERB or ask a trusted provider.

I just got word that one of Doug's former partners has joined forces with him. I will inform the masses once I get confirmation. Together we will put him out of business.
 

Cliffy

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Jun 21, 2004
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Geez, some good movie material there, or at least a TV special.

CRM, be careful! Hope all you good providers + supporters can stick together and keep out the weasels.
 

Creole Lady Marmalade

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ace85 said:
Sounds like she has some "connections".
Oh please, I was the one who wrote the warning to Fred Zed to post so I had Douglas' number from before. All ou need to do is do a reverse phone number check on Canada411 and it will provide the cel. company.
 

Verb

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Oct 20, 2003
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luv-em-n-lv-em said:
ace85,

fear ... is the mind-killer

CLM should be respected, not feared

what is CLM???
 

Savage

Just a randy Savage
Dec 7, 2003
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vancouverderek said:
As one of the people that he maligned and knowing many of the others that he attempted to rip off or ripped off, I can vouch for the validity of this claim against him.

That sucks Derek. :mad:

I just want everybody to know that I've worked with Derek a few times and he has been nothing but professional at all times.
 
A little googling and we come up with some cached pages for Kama Sutra Productions and Neoteric Dezynes (rather than Designs), date, May 2005:

Home

Nude photography is not the kind of art that focuses purely on anatomy; it is consecrated to capture those most passionate and vigorous moments of most appealing and erotically unrestrained situations. Nonetheless, the unique ability to move fast to compose the image that mustn't get away, is a creative drive our photographers share that stands out unrivalled and unquestioned in the adult photography industry.

Our professional artists' unique visual imagination is well suited for capturing our lascivious models in their own beauty, rather than one which is artificial or poses in a superficial or fake setting. The finished photographs are at once realistic, natural and lively, and yet extremely sexy at the same time, reflecting the tender care for female beauties and scrupulous attention to every detail, with avoiding the harm of monotony.

Our values

our business stability has given us the privilege to benefit from a constant growth and enable us to keep our market share in a constantly changing industry. Honesty, respect, reliability and an up front policy way of doing business has been the bedrock of our success. Another major part of our success has been the addition of high end and innovative products during the past years.

Our professional production units, the independent photo shoots appreciated and praised all over the world have always answered to uncompromising standards of quality in modeling and photography. We have earned our industry and worldwide reputation through hard work, tireless attention to detail, and a professionalism that exceeds all industry standards in makeup, lighting, technical execution, and agency relations.

Due to our carefully selected models we received a first-tier reputation in the North American modeling industry and thus, are proud of these exceptionally magnificent girls. They are the most spectacular women from the cream of North American talent, and this passionate beauty gives us a constant supply of portfolios from the top agencies, dozens of castings a week, that results in our first-rated quality productions.

Our achievements

Our latest achievements include the use of cutting edge technology , dedicated employees followed by a five star Customer Support has given us the edge over the competition in the constant development of new products and programs. By constantly listening to the Market's demands and considering the users' advices, Kamasutra Productions has gained that one extra step to be ahead of our partners needs. Our high quality sites and programs are our greatest achievements up to date.

All contents © 2005 Kama Sutra Productions and Neoteric Dezynes


I'm particularly struck by that goofy phrase "with avoiding the harm of monotony" and "listening to the Market's demands and consider the users' advices". Yeah, I always listen to "advices". I also note they have "gained that one extra step to be ahead of our partners needs" (one wonders if that is code for we're on the lam).

If anybody that has been scammed by this cretin has any more of this crap, they should post it. These scammer douche bags always use the same phrases and it might help people recognize him under another name. If nothing else, it will force old Dougie to re-write his crap and we all know how lazy scam artists are.

Maybe someone with a legal background could advise these women who have lost huge sums as to what they can do. Whenever I encounter a scum-bag in my business, I get a lawyer involved before I do anything rash. The escort business is not technically illegal and if there are enough people who have suffered losses, it might be worthwhile pursuing some kind of action, if only to make it harder for him to do further damage if recovery is impossible.

Anybody as obvious as this guy can be found.
 

pooniecruz

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Sep 15, 2003
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Wtf

The girls on the Hush Site weren't even working girls....they were dancers. Just ripped off pics. Its pretty lame that sleazy guys like this extort honest girls in the sex buinsess be it a\dancers or working girls. I hope everybody can bring this sleazy operation down.
 

Creole Lady Marmalade

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Dec 20, 2004
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Here's the jist

All one can do is learn from this incident and warn others, anything to stay a few steps ahead of Douglas and his gang.

Ladies and anyone interested in the business of sex, be on the lookout for any new ads for employment in webcam, movie production, escorts or marketing.

After being exposed, what Doug will likely do is use a different name for conducting this sort of business or he'll have his partners do the business (please pm or email but, it's preferred to call me, for names of partners) for him. Also if things go well for him, he will likely have a female figurehead to represent the business and do interviews for him. Be on the lookout and ask for business licenses, don't sign anything over to him (disks of photos, credit card,etc) or any company until you have the company looked at. If they are licensed it will be public record. Post the inquiry on the board, ask a trusted provider, just don't make the committment until you have the business/company checked out, then make your decision.

A few former clients of Neoteric Dezynes and Douglas Smiths' have launched a lawsuit against him but realistically nothing will come of it. Given the kind of business he's in (marketing online) it's not regulated so it's easy for him to pack up and leave and ask you to prove that any business was conducted. Everything is on a cash basis, it's too easy. If you DID have a contract, just try to enforce it. He'll just play shadow games.

Anyways, good luck everyone. Safe pooning. And ladies? safe marketing.
 

AsianWay

preference is not racist
Sep 7, 2005
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geesh

Amazing details. Also amazing he got so much cash up front for website/photo work.

It's a crazy business, but not that crazy. I disagree with the idea that you can't trust "new" agencies/people, but I agree you have to be more careful.

I always try and work on consignment.... it also requires trust, but not up front money, and either party can bail at any time. It's only not worked out once, and that lady was a nag right from the start (and I had that funny feeling in the Spidey Senses, but she was a friend of a friend). She never got a website, but I never charged her a dime.

Remember the #1 rule of hacking: find a point of trust and exploit it. This guy used trusted names to make his exploit. It's not WHO you trust, it's HOW you trust.
 

B4UIGO

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Oct 26, 2005
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VD can't be all bad

I had the pleasure of meeting VancouverDerek and a few others from the PERB pages a short time ago. Seemed to me to be a genuine gentleman. I'd have to have a lot of proof to convince me otherwise. IMHO.
Just
Mr Nice Guy:cool:
 

candy shop

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Aug 25, 2005
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a great and professional

When I first started in the business. I had my pics done by vancouverderek and He made me feel comfortable and my pics turned out great. He is very a great guy to work with and I consider myself very lucky that I had a chance to work with him and share some laughs.
 
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