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masterblaster

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bankrupting? cite your studies.

per capita emissions in Canada make the Chinese and Indian people look "green" in comparison. how can we promote a new way of doing things if we can't do it ourselves?

but again... nothing? do nothing? is that it? specifically... that's what you are suggesting?
Per capita emissions is a meaningless number if you’re pointing fingers. One must look at the figures in absolute terms. Canadian greenhouse gas emissions are less than 2% of world total, yet Trudeau is on a fools errand to save the planet by burdening Canadians with a useless carbon tax. How about he tries to convince China to adopt a carbon tax if he wants to do something worthwhile?
 

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right... so... nothing? is that it?

i've looked at the CPC governing documents on their website....

it appears the CPC climate plan is... no climate plan!

if its China and India then you'd think they would mention international agreements... that was a joke. they've been against every international agreement on climate.
Any climate change initiative for China and India would hurt their economies. They need power, and oil and gas are cheapest....
 
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The local gas station may temporarily cut it but then it will seep back. People have already been paying the price and the oil companies know it. In the Lower Mainland, everybody blames the governments but the cartels are strong here. You can wish for whatever you want but the consumers keep on buying. So honestly I don't think it will matter. Just my opinion and I could be wrong. I work for a large multinational and have for others. They really couldn't care less, they will get their extra profits.
I don't know, but shooting a few oil corporate CEOs would make great publicity... oh maybe not, lets give them a public whipping like they do in Singapore.
 
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No, I didn't quite say that. I do not have a crystal ball. My opinion is that it is unlikely that you will see much relief. The three parties who might get the money are the government, the oil company or the consumer. I just think that the consumer is the least likely to benefit much. I also suspect that poorer Canadians who were getting the rebate were probably better off with the government getting the tax.
That rebate is no more then legal theft. They tax you and a year later give the money back, holding your money for about a year or so (they make interest on it). Its an awesome scam by the government. Same thing goes for your tax rebate....
 

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LOL! The market forcing a consumer into a (potentially) non-voluntary consumption choice due to govt regulation is in fact, the govt forcing it's will onto consumers/the market. Govt need not push markets (i.e. consumers) towards the "better mouse trap" - because the better mouse trap usually wins out anyways! Did the govt need to push consumers to buy iPhones? No. Someone (i.e. Steve Jobs and Apple) built a better mouse trap - and the market agreed it was a better mouse trap. Ergo, why Apple has 60% market share in smartphone sales in Canada, which in turn caused the death of Blackberry smartphones, LG smartphones, Nokia, etc., etc., etc.

Saying nothing for the fact that you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You stated in another post in this thread that " personal transportation is a much smaller footprint" (in regards to emissions contributions). So, apparently, personal cars don't contribute all that much to emissions, but at the same time, you think govt needs to push consumers into EV's for "the best interest of everybody." Sorry mate, that doesn't logic! Moreover, you also stated " electric cars rule" - which implies that EV's are the better mousetrap. So, in your mind, we need to put everyone into EV's to reduce emissions from personal vehicles that (by your own words) "is a much smaller footprint" so that the better mouse trap will win - which, would happen (over time) anyways because better mouse traps usually win! LOL

And further, we have a govt pushing EV's on Canadians (who are not ready, because of the sticker shock) - while at the same time implementing 100% tariffs on potentially cost competitive EV's from China. And again for what? So that (using your words) the govt can force people to do what is in "the best interest of everybody". So, in your mind, it is in "the best interest of everybody" to potentially buy EV's that they can't afford anyways, so that emissions from personal vehicles which are "a much smaller footprint" (from an emissions perspective) can be reduced! LOL

This is why govts shouldn't try to manipulate markets. They (the govt) want people in EV's. They give billions to VW, Stellantis, GM, Honda, etc., etc., etc. to sell us EV's many of our neighbours can't afford. All while taxing the heck (i.e. 100% tariffs) out of the cost competitive EV's made by BYD, et al. For what? According to you, this scheme is all in "the best interest of everybody". LOL This so called "EV strategy" is all about supporting the 150,000 auto factory workers and auto parts workers in this country. Unfortunately, Canadians purchase over 1.5 million new vehicles each year. Apparently, the govt hatched a scheme to give tens of billions to multi-billion dollar companies to support 150,000 direct jobs in Canada - at the expense of the greater than 1.5 million annual Canadian consumers of new vehicles. Support 150,000 people at the expense of 1.5 million - that doesn't math or logic! LOL
Actually the chip in the iphone is better made than the chips in the other phones. It uses lower power consumption, has longer battery life, their iphones get the best and latest chips while competitors get older chips.

Personal transportation is gonna suck because there is not enough electricity produced now to charge all the replacement for ICE cars/trucks. Think about the energy value of fuel used by ICE vehicles vs how much extra electricity we will need. The energy levels of ICE is way above projected electricity use for future electric cars. In simple terms they can't make the electricity to run the cars by 2035. Unless you go tits to the wall to make solar, wind and nuclear plants to make up for the fuel energy burned in todays cars/trucks.
Public transportation is in tatters. It fucken sucks the big one in Victoria, and Vancouver and any other city in BC. And AB and SASK and MB. So how do people get to work??
Sometime I think all these big contracts to multinationals is going to them because some dumb fuck in government has stock with them....Which is ethically wrong and against the rules even the Federal government is supposed to adhere to.... And I am probally not wrong.
 

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We set a mandatory target that all new light-duty cars and passenger trucks sales be zero-emissions by 2035

The above statement from the Liberal party looks like the government trying to force me to buy an electric vehicle, market has nothing to do with it.

I have worked in the oil industry for many years “big oil” is not the scary bogeyman you seem to think it is.
Are there places to put bets on that? 55 minimum, there is too much infrastructure to deal with, and how thefuck are they gonna make that much electricity.
 

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I haven’t noticed any particular benefits from the nanny state. Restricts what guns I can buy, forces me to pay a carbon tax that does nothing but drive up the cost of living.
Restricting guns is to prevent rednecks from shooting the idiots in charge... hmm a purpose to the madness....
 

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Restricting guns is to prevent rednecks from shooting the idiots in charge... hmm a purpose to the madness....
Most rednecks are too cowardly to shoot the idiots in charge. Instead they shoot up their families, their schools,............the soft targets.
 
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Are there places to put bets on that? 55 minimum, there is too much infrastructure to deal with, and how thefuck are they gonna make that much electricity.
That’s the politicians for you. Make grand proclamations with no idea on how to actually achieve what they mandate.
 

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Are there places to put bets on that? 55 minimum, there is too much infrastructure to deal with, and how thefuck are they gonna make that much electricity.
wind, solar, geo thermal, small modular nuclear... god forbid we turn out like, Denmark!

These 8 Countries Are Scaling Up Renewable Energy the Fastest

Canada currently has about half of the world average of renewable electricity generation. so, other countries are doing it. China is almost 2% higher than the global average. Canada is almost 2% below India!
 

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wind, solar, geo thermal, small modular nuclear... god forbid we turn out like, Denmark!

These 8 Countries Are Scaling Up Renewable Energy the Fastest

Canada currently has about half of the world average of renewable electricity generation. so, other countries are doing it. China is almost 2% higher than the global average. Canada is almost 2% below India!



wind, solar, geo thermal, small modular nuclear... god forbid we turn out like, Denmark!

These 8 Countries Are Scaling Up Renewable Energy the Fastest

Canada currently has about half of the world average of renewable electricity generation. so, other countries are doing it. China is almost 2% higher than the global average. Canada is almost 2% below India!
Wind power is not exactly reliable nor is solar and of course only works in the daytime. No geothermal power currently generated in Canada, don’t think there are small modular nuclear reactors operating in Canada either.

Your electrical generating scenarios are as pie in the sky as the politicians fantasy of all electric new car sales in their unrealistic future date.
 

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Per capita emissions is a meaningless number if you’re pointing fingers. One must look at the figures in absolute terms. Canadian greenhouse gas emissions are less than 2% of world total, yet Trudeau is on a fools errand to save the planet by burdening Canadians with a useless carbon tax. How about he tries to convince China to adopt a carbon tax if he wants to do something worthwhile?

that's my point, unless you get China/India to reduce, which they can't, which they've stated they won't, over and over, cause they haven't even come close to giving half their populations

the same luxuries, heat/electricity/cars/air travel/economics to have good paying jobs, like the west

if they ever do, it would become pointless for Canada to bother doing anything

it would be like spitting on the Jasper fire and expecting it to go out

China isn't going to listen to anyone, unless you force them to, by making it in their interest

stopping dealing with them, Europe/U.S. then they might start to listen, cause the 3rd world doesn't have enough money to sustain their needs
 

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wind, solar, geo thermal, small modular nuclear... god forbid we turn out like, Denmark!

These 8 Countries Are Scaling Up Renewable Energy the Fastest

Canada currently has about half of the world average of renewable electricity generation. so, other countries are doing it. China is almost 2% higher than the global average. Canada is almost 2% below India!
first off you can't have wind/solar/geo thermal everywhere

or don't you believe in "science"?

the wind doesn't blow well enough everywhere, places don't get enough sun, geo thermal isn't good enough just cause you dig a hole in the ground, specially for electricity generation, let alone heating, which you still need electricity for

and until the tech is here for storing electricity in scale, it's just fantasy

facts, who the fuck needs em!!!

nuclear, yeah, uranium for all!!!! sure, no issues there, mining, disposal, water, ect.....

Denmark is the size of a small province/state

using them as an example is asinine

there are cities in the U.S with more people

they are a rounding error like Canada in the amount of emissions they produce, even being a cold weather country

none of the countries your link mentions are worth talking about

they again are rounding errors

China/India/U.S./Russia/Japan, top 5

the first 2 are the problem, just cause of sheer size, along with Russia, they don't care either, Putin doesn't give a shit at all

China and India are 40% alone of total emissions in the world

add the states, you're up to at least 5-55%

top 3 populated countries, the above, China/India/U.S., coincidence? hardly


go look at the others with large populations after them, mostly all 3rd world, developing, without economies of any size


Japan, population is dropping, idiots telling them they need to do the same fucking moronic thing the west is doing

importing more emission spewing Humans, which is moronic if you think you're a "environmentalist"

Climate warrior, the first thing you should be against is Immigration policies


oil demand isn't dropping, it's just not growing as fast as it use to

everyone on this board will be dead before it's dead

the tech isn't there for a country like Canada to produce enough green energy for even 30 million let alone 100

that the simpletons on the left want to bring in, cause we couldn't fuck like rabbits fast enough to get there in a 100 yrs
 

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first off you can't have wind/solar/geo thermal everywhere

or don't you believe in "science"?

the wind doesn't blow well enough everywhere, places don't get enough sun, geo thermal isn't good enough just cause you dig a hole in the ground, specially for electricity generation, let alone heating, which you still need electricity for

and until the tech is here for storing electricity in scale, it's just fantasy

facts, who the fuck needs em!!!

nuclear, yeah, uranium for all!!!! sure, no issues there, mining, disposal, water, ect.....

Denmark is the size of a small province/state

using them as an example is asinine

there are cities in the U.S with more people

they are a rounding error like Canada in the amount of emissions they produce, even being a cold weather country

none of the countries your link mentions are worth talking about

they again are rounding errors

China/India/U.S./Russia/Japan, top 5

the first 2 are the problem, just cause of sheer size, along with Russia, they don't care either, Putin doesn't give a shit at all

China and India are 40% alone of total emissions in the world

add the states, you're up to at least 5-55%

top 3 populated countries, the above, China/India/U.S., coincidence? hardly


go look at the others with large populations after them, mostly all 3rd world, developing, without economies of any size


Japan, population is dropping, idiots telling them they need to do the same fucking moronic thing the west is doing

importing more emission spewing Humans, which is moronic if you think you're a "environmentalist"

Climate warrior, the first thing you should be against is Immigration policies


oil demand isn't dropping, it's just not growing as fast as it use to

everyone on this board will be dead before it's dead

the tech isn't there for a country like Canada to produce enough green energy for even 30 million let alone 100

that the simpletons on the left want to bring in, cause we couldn't fuck like rabbits fast enough to get there in a 100 yrs
you clearly didn't look at the cited material... there are graphs of the G20. its already happening. you can yell that its not possible all you like while India/China/USA are actually doing it. and our renewable power generation is behind.

and since we're behind, we will be behind in developing new tech and infrastructure for ourselves. and when oil prices tank even more then they already are... our economy will go into the tank with it.

feel free to present alternative solutions. you don't have any. or at least, not any that the CPC are proposing... because they don't have any either. its the no solution party.
 
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you clearly didn't look at the cited material... there are graphs of the G20. its already happening. you can yell that its not possible all you like while India/China/USA are actually doing it. and our renewable power generation is behind.

and since we're behind, we will be behind in developing new tech and infrastructure for ourselves. and when oil prices tank even more then they already are... our economy will go into the tank with it.

feel free to present alternative solutions. you don't have any. or at least, not any that the CPC are proposing... because they don't have any either. its the no solution party.

the USA's emission drops are the same as what is happening in the rest of the 1st world

the stoppage of coal for electricity

switching to NG

go look at the recent "graphs" that were put out for Canada, virtually all the "drops" in emissions, came from not using coal anymore

everything else is a rounding error or has increased

the other argument is a tax, that has been in place for what 10-15 yrs in BC, 2 LNG plants, it's blown out of the water, not that it was working in the first place

only a complete simpleton thinks someone is going to change their behaviour when you give them back the same amount or even more money

specially when that amount wouldn't buy you anything to speak of, $1000 how many solar panels? electric cars? heat pumps? it's called math, cost benefit, there is no math to switch

you don't go out and spend thousands, hundreds of thousands to save a few hundred a year

unless you are an idiot or already got the means

take away the subsidies, sales drop, like in cars, solar panels, heat pumps, insulation, renos do everytime it happens

you can't increase the population by over a MILLION people and expect your emissions to go down

if Canada didn't have the Turd and his moronic policies, emissions would have been down slightly, import 6 million people, no chance

these idiots want to increase it by another 120%

that's your solution party


go look at the amount of electricity you would need to get everyone a heat pump, not that they work everywhere in every part of the country, an electric car, again, don't work everywhere

then the delusions that you can do it with planes, trains, boats, big trucks, farm machinery, machinery in general, ect.....


Site C dam, 15yrs to build, how many more, 5-10? how many more river do you think they can dam?

like there's no damage from them?


unless you're going to bankrupt everyone, keep the 3rd world in energy poverty forever

the delusions of unicorn farts powering the world is the only other "solution"

go look at the current companies dumping their plans for electric cars, battery plants, wind, solar

without huge subsidies, which people like you say is bad for oil, hypocrites, cause if it's bad for that, it should be bad for green

go look at the slush fund shit with the Liberals now, you might as well have burned the money, it would have done more

it's math, basic math

you can't mine enough minerals, put up enough windmills, solar panels, to supply the amount of energy to supply what delusions you have

it's called physics

FOR 8, SOON TO BE 10 BILLION PEOPLE ALL TO LIVE LIKE FAT AMERICANS


YOUR DELUSIONS ARE ALL ABOUT THE WEST, 1ST WORLD, WHERE THEY CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT WORK, WITH WELL OVER 50% OF THE WORLD'S WEALTH

MATH, MATH IS HARD, OLD JIM GOT IT RIGHT BEFORE HIS PLANE CRASHED
 
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