2019 Election thread

[Cock Throppled]

There are three HUGE issues for me that would prevent me from voting for Trudeau:

1 - The blatant lie that the last election would be the last under first past the post. He literally built his entire campaign arund that, and just shrugged and said, "Fuddle duddle" to us.

2 - The lack of personal ethics. He's been officially sanctioned twice, but has been caught out stumbling for explanations on other questionable things even before he became PM.

3. - Maybe the worst of all - the cynicism of buying votes with promises of over $7 BILLION in just the last month, or so. That's OUR money, not funds he's dipping out of his trust fund.

We have to stop just exchanging Liberals and Conservatives. Both have shown wanton disregard for the electorate, and a manic thirst for power at all costs.

 

[Cock Throppled]

^^^
Where the HELL is the Like Button !! ??

I worked in Xian / China , it rained one night , my white shirt was grey next day . I had my Asian 15 speed bike that i used to escape from the Military compound .
Used a handheld gps on the bars to know the way to go , Marine , not road. I can't read !@#$%^&*.

Yup it's frigging dirty !!
Wash hands every chance and eat at known spots. Your useless to them sick .

Took me 2 weeks to get out & back to hong kong .

VT

Xian's air is not dirty from pollution as much as from winds bringing sand and dirt from the Gobi. At certain times of the year, when winds change to westerlies, the air there is quite clean. Also, the new coal plants China constructs are putting far less pollution than any similar plants in North America.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Xian's air is not dirty from pollution

Yea Right.
I was there in 1990 , you can't see blue sky , my eyes cleaned up after 2 months back on the wet coast of VI .


VT

1990? Ancient history.

What major city anywhere in the world didn't have a major air pollution problem 30 years ago?

30 years ago China was still in the stone age, relatively speaking. Shanghai was a fishing village.

Shenzen didn't exist. Hong Kong still belonged to the British. Macau to the Portuguese.

 

[80watts]

Posted by SR
"I see that nobody has any contention/arguement with regards to the cost of my gas bill!Which is a stark reality and if the Trudeau Lieberal government is re-elected that EVERY Canadian gets fucked for.During the month of January for consuming $34 worth of natural gas(which does not produce CO2) at $100 a tonne for a Carbon Tax I and every Canadian will be paying 3 TIMES as much of the cost of natural gas for a Carbon Tax that does nothing to reduce emissions."

Sorry SR you have your facts wrong.

Natural gas when it burns produces CO2, just like any other hydrocarbon. Therefore it is taxable under the carbon tax. Please check my third reference for information on Natural gas. The charts show that natural gas produces less CO2 than other hydrocarbons.

For cold Canadian winters Canadians have been burning wood, oil, natural gas (all hydrocarbons) for a long time. The amount someone can spend on fuel to heat depends on insulation in house, thickness of walls, air leakage from house etc. So the less efficient your house is the more you have to make up in heat loss in winter. Also the big factor is how high is the temperature set in the house....

The problem most people don't see is that the carbon tax is here to stay, and the revenue will go to general revenue, instead of incentives for renewable power like solar and wind etc. Just like the GST, the tax is here to stay.

According to some new reports the cost will go over 50/tonne CO2 after 2022, because Canada is not meeting global standards of CO2 reduction... Any responsible government will still keep the carbon tax. Cause its revenue....


When the GST was brought in by Conservatives, the Liberals used the 7% GST to pay down gov debt (called the decade of darkness (93 to 2005)where the fed gov steadily cut government budgets ). With a minority gov in 2008-2011 there was compromise made as to what went into the budget (this happened because the Canadian population would not have another election if the conservatives called another election). In 2011 with a majority the conservatives under Harper banked apon oil revenue (oil went from over 100/barrel to under 45/barrel). Harper cut the GST to 5% further cutting into the government revenue stream, making it impossible for the next government (which was Liberal) to balance a budget. These two factors of the oil and GST only made sure that something like the carbon tax would be implemented.

Now lets look at the conservative increase of 5000 to 10000 dollars in the tax saving account, which the Liberals cut back. I think the average Cdn can put away 1000-2000 away a year, and that is pushing it for Canadians; but 10,000 a year that is for the rich.

 

[overdone]

When the GST was brought in by Conservatives, the Liberals used the 7% GST to pay down gov debt (called the decade of darkness (93 to 2005)where the fed gov steadily cut government budgets ). With a minority gov in 2008-2011 there was compromise made as to what went into the budget (this happened because the Canadian population would not have another election if the conservatives called another election). In 2011 with a majority the conservatives under Harper banked apon oil revenue (oil went from over 100/barrel to under 45/barrel). Harper cut the GST to 5% further cutting into the government revenue stream, making it impossible for the next government (which was Liberal) to balance a budget. These two factors of the oil and GST only made sure that something like the carbon tax would be implemented.

Now lets look at the conservative increase of 5000 to 10000 dollars in the tax saving account, which the Liberals cut back. I think the average Cdn can put away 1000-2000 away a year, and that is pushing it for Canadians; but 10,000 a year that is for the rich.

lol, maybe you should look at your own "facts"

The Liberals didn't do much more than ride the wave, partly due in thanks to Mulroney, put in the GST, Free Trade, the greed in the US which spilled over into Canada, we go as the US goes, explains todays so called good times

Martin, downloaded to the provinces, to make his books look better

if you look at how much they actually spent, they didn't cut that much, they just had way better revenues

they did gutted our military though



Harper cutting the GST to 5% didn't hamper anyone from balancing the budget

the last yr he was there, it was basically balanced, Trudeau came in and started spending almost immediately

Trudeau didn't balance and won't balance the budget because he is using his only real talent

Bribery

he's trying to bribe people with debt

he's on track to promise/announce, probably more than anyone has, in the last 3 weeks alone, before an election

your assumption is ridiculous

the NDP in Alberta, even with what the Tories before them did, could have, if not come close to balanced budgets with simply keeping spending within inflation/pop increases

so could any gov't in the Fed system

revenue in any/every gov't at all levels in Canada has never been the problem in the last 50 years, even in recessions

the economy isn't stimulated with gov't money, that's political bullshit

if anything, it hampers the actual recovery by displacing what should/needs to happen to get things back into balance/normal state of things

you just delay the inevitable, if it really worked the world wouldn't be in the situation it is now

going into debt isn't the solution, living within your means is

in other words acting like an adult

 

[Crookedmember]

Harper's senseless GST cut created a structural deficit that costs the treasury $20 billion each year.

Canada is running comparatively small deficits, and to balance the budget and take that money out of the economy at a time US 'fiscal conservatives' are running trillion dollar deficits would be insane.

Debt only seems to matter to conservatives when they are out of power. Mulroney and Harper are are responsible for $510 billion of our accumulated debt, which is 75% of it. Nobody comes close to those two.

 

[BobbyMcgee]

For anybody interested in historical atmospheric carbon content:

meanwhile JTjr puddle jumps everyday in his big fat carbon tube.
let’s not be the 30M population trying to balance the worlds 7B climate issue

 

[thodisipagal]

Why do you find it strange?Canada has had 4 years of bad governance and a national debt that has grown by 20+ billion and a Prime Minister with 2 eithics violations.The same Prime Minister has saddled Canadians with a Carbon Tax out of the blue that he did not champion on the last hustings.He mentioned it once at a meeting at the Calgary Petroleum Club and then promptly shut his cake hole.Newsworthy today Kathrine McKenna (AKA Climate Barbie) back tracked on the cap of $50 a ton on said Carbon Tax after the Parliamentary Budget Officer stated that in order for Canada to meet it's Paris Climate Accord pledge the Carbon Tax would have to be raised to $102 a tonne.At that level the Carbon tax would cost every Canadian a shitload of money to heat their homes.

Back in January my gas/electric bill was $239 and the "carbon levy" portion was $21.42 with the GST tacked on top of that and that was at $20 a tonne for the Carbon Tax.At $50 a tonne the Carbon Tax would be about $50 ish+ a month based on the same bill and at $100 a tonne it would be over $100 for all of the $34 of natural gas I consumed to frivilously heat my home and not freeze to death and with the GST tacked on top of that for an extra $10 or more.That makes my electricity/gas bill go from $239 to $350 a month
and it does nothing to lower CO2 emissions as burning natural gas produces Carbon Monoxide( a colorless odorless gas that causes DEATH) and the Lieberals say they are going to give 90% of that revenue back to Canadians in the form of rebates....utter fucking BULLSHIT.

What produces CO2?Any creature with a pair of lungs does.They consume Oxygen and exude Carbon Dioxide.Plains/trains/automobiles do not produce CO2.
At the same time it does nothing to lower CO2 emissions which really dont need to be lowered as CO2 is the fundamental building block for all plant life on this blue green ball floating in space.

During the warming period of the Middle Ages CO2 levels were at 8000 parts per million and today we are at 420 PPM.

SR

Carbon tax is not out of the blue. Liberals promised it in their 2015 platform (page 39).
https://www.liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/New-plan-for-a-strong-middle-class.pdf

 

[JimDandy]

Scheer, the good Catholic that he is, should watch the video below. Maybe then he will accept gay marriage lol.

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialLaughTherapy/videos/2427731787508775/

JD

 

[overdone]

Harper's senseless GST cut created a structural deficit that costs the treasury $20 billion each year.

Canada is running comparatively small deficits, and to balance the budget and take that money out of the economy at a time US 'fiscal conservatives' are running trillion dollar deficits would be insane.

Debt only seems to matter to conservatives when they are out of power. Mulroney and Harper are are responsible for $510 billion of our accumulated debt, which is 75% of it. Nobody comes close to those two.

Mulroney, while not a great PM, was financially hamstrung by 15 yrs of debt by the first Trudeau, as well as the state of the economy at the time
he's also responsible for the GST and Free Trade near the end of his time

which was partially responsible for our good times when Martin was able to have surpluses

and Harper barely added the same amount as the first Trudeau, in actual numbers almost the same 130-150 Billion

so you're factually wrong that nobody came close, about Harper

not to mention Jr is almost half way there in only 4 yrs, so statistically he's winning, since we aren't even in a recession

which both his old man and Harper both had during their time

Zoolander is spending more per capita than ANYBODY ELSE EVER HAS OUTSIDE OF WARTIME
using debt to do it

go here for another look, including the adjusted dollars in 2015, not to mention the % of GDP

https://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/canada-s-deficits-and-surpluses-1963-to-2015-1.3042571

also look at Chretien's first 4 yrs after Mulroney, not much smaller than Harper and Turdeau the first in total

the economy while Mulroney was there wasn't good, Trudeau Sr did a lot of damage to our Country, we never really started to get back, we're still paying for some of his idiotic policies, don't believe me, look again at Chretien's first 4 yrs, it didn't end with Mulroney

and that was with a 7% GST and Free Trade

Mulroney, wasn't really a conservative either, he was a red tory

as well as a big time drunk at one point

the next guy after Trudeau is going to be handcuffed by his welfare schemes to bribe people

cause like Dingwall said, you're entitled to your entitlements

people don't like to give up their free cash for existing

 

[storm rider]

Carbon tax is not out of the blue. Liberals promised it in their 2015 platform (page 39).
https://www.liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/New-plan-for-a-strong-middle-class.pdf

That may be what is listed in the Liberal Red Book per their platform.Yup that is the Red Book.The NDP's platform come this election is the LEAP Manifesto.Try give the latter a read.

A carbon tax was in the Red Book but Trudeau did NOT campaign on this.He never mentioned it on the hustings.He NEVER said from the script he was reading that he was going to TAX you to heat your home and drive your car.

As for the Red Book thanks for the LINK.It truly provides EVERYTHING I could possibly point out as utter failures under the second Trudeau Government.The last 4 years have been nothing but SHIT for Canadians and most especially "the middle class and those wishing to join it" which has been the Liberals/Trudeau's line during the last election and for the last four years.In reality he has fucked the "middle class and those wishing to join it" and on average are paying $940 a year more in taxes.

I highly encourage EVERY single person who thinks Trudeau has done a good job for the last 4 years to "take the red pill" and click that link.Then you can read the book of Failure.Open and Transparent Government....as STATED in the Red Book.....yet Canadians get Lavscam instead....2 Cabinet Ministers resign as do the Clerk of the Privvy Council as well as Gerald Butts the PM's right hand man and all so that the Lieberals who passed legislation to give SNC Lavalin a free pass and it all comes tumbling down when Jody Wilson-Reybold does not want to "play ball".

Click on that link.

SR

 

[Crookedmember]

3rd quarter growth numbers are out for the Canadian economy.

3.7%, which is almost double the US rate.

I guess the carbon tax is really killing us.

Can't wait to get back to the Harper/Scheer years of no growth, no jobs and $60 billion deficits.

 

[Cock Throppled]

3rd quarter growth numbers are out for the Canadian economy.

3.7%, which is almost double the US rate.

I guess the carbon tax is really killing us.

Can't wait to get back to the Harper/Scheer years of no growth, no jobs and $60 billion deficits.

What do you think Trudeau's promises of $7.2 billion (so far) will do to the deficit?

 

[Crookedmember]

What do you think Trudeau's promises of $7.2 billion (so far) will do to the deficit?

The economy is growing much faster than the minuscule deficits. The debt/GDP ratio is the lowest it's been in decades.

The debt JT is adding is literally nothing compared to the $510 billion run up by Harper and Mulroney with their goofy "trickle down" economics.

If you want to worry about debt, worry about the $1 trillion annual deficits US "conservatives" are drowning the American economy in year after year. Because that could bite us in the ass sooner or later.

It's funny how right wingers couldn't care less about debt when they're in power.

 

[Crookedmember]

Harper should have popped for the deluxe embalming and mortuary make up package.

 

[storm rider]

The economy is growing much faster than the minuscule deficits. The debt/GDP ratio is the lowest it's been in decades.

The debt JT is adding is literally nothing compared to the $510 billion run up by Harper and Mulroney with their goofy "trickle down" economics.

If you want to worry about debt, worry about the $1 trillion annual deficits US "conservatives" are drowning the American economy in year after year. Because that could bite us in the ass sooner or later.

It's funny how right wingers couldn't care less about debt when they're in power.

I would like to know where you get your facts.It was Pierre Trudeau who was responsible for Canada's massive national debt.Harper guided Canada through the worst recession since the Great Depression.There were no bank failures nor were there any bank bailouts.The housing sector did not collapse like it did in the USA.In 2015 when Trudeau got handed the reigns of power and government transitioned to the Lieberals Trudeau was handed a government that had a 1 BILLION surplus.He has since made that into
a 19 BILLION defecit.Yap all you want about debt to GDP,reckless spending like that is akin to going to the casino with your credit card.

SR

 

[Gardener]

I would like to know where you get your facts.It was Pierre Trudeau who was responsible for Canada's massive national debt.Harper guided Canada through the worst recession since the Great Depression.There were no bank failures nor were there any bank bailouts.The housing sector did not collapse like it did in the USA.In 2015 when Trudeau got handed the reigns of power and government transitioned to the Lieberals Trudeau was handed a government that had a 1 BILLION surplus.He has since made that into
a 19 BILLION defecit.Yap all you want about debt to GDP,reckless spending like that is akin to going to the casino with your credit card.

SR

Harper had nothing to do with the lack of bank bailouts in Canada during the financial crisis. That credit can be given to the rules all banks must follow as part of the bank act and OSFI, the national bank regulator. That said, Harper did a fine job guiding the country during that period.

 

[80watts]

Which party made those rules? just asking....

 

[JimDandy]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5848799/...expid=.kz0UD5JkQOCo6yMqxGqECg.0&utm_referrer=

This has to be good news for the Liberals, as well as obviously the Greens. People unwilling to move their NDP vote to the Greens, will more likely pick the Liberals over the Conservatives.

To me at least, everything seems to be converging to the advantage of the Liberals.

JD

 

[Crookedmember]

Liberals move back into lead nationally, with significant leads in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

Scheer doing well only in the three flyover provinces where none of the seats are.

NDP collapsing.