2019 Election thread

[overdone]

https://business.financialpost.com/...lberta-for-granted-thats-dangerous-for-us-all

sure, why don't you give us half of what we've net contributed over the last 60 years?

cause if we were a "sovereign" country we would have kept it all

instead of punching above our weight, supporting all our useless welfare rat family members, lol

which we're still doing despite them stepping on our throats for the last 4+yrs

the TMX doesn't go ahead, shovels in the ground, pipe being laid, this 3rd world banana republic we're becoming due to the Liberals

we won't be even that for much longer, anyone who listened to Trudeau's speech last night, should be embarrassed for Canada

Toronto, especially, for enabling him, he literally picked up where he left off

wedging one part of the country against the other

how many times he has to state he's more of a Quebecois first, than a Canadian :sad:

it's a sad day for Canada, we should be embarrassed

we re-elected our Donald Trump


at least Regina pulled finally pulled it's head out of it's ass and punted Ralph, 20yrs past his best before date, but still

 

[overdone]

reality really doesn't seem to register with some of you

you take Alberta's oil and gas industry out of the picture

Canada doesn't have anywhere near the wealth you think it does

you can't replace the GDP with Unicorn farts

delusions, yeah, lets just take 10% of our GDP out of the equation, see how that works out

 

[nightswhisper]

Well that's a better answer than most give, but might I suggest an elected Senate would be a better place for that sort of representation?

Too much to ask in a minority parliament, I know, but one can dream.

Still, I hope the conservatives change their mind and stop supporting an FPTP system that just screwed them.





I don't think Justin sounded very contrite at all. Probably telling himself he got away with it, you're right. But I doubt it will turn out as sunny as he probably expects. Especially if he hasn't learned a thing and fails to smarten up.

I still support the FPTP even if we lost. Population centers absolutely should have equal power as rural areas. The Liberals won because there's wider geographic support. otherwise Alberta would get disproportionately greater voting power.

 

[licks2nite]

Conservatives needed a climate plan that could appeal to all Canadian voters that could have put Conservatives over the top. Quit buying from Asian and African nations that create 90% of the world's pollution. Bring back Canada's export manufacturing sector to environmental standards of North America and Europe.

 

[Lo-ki]

Quit buying from Asian and African nations that create 90% of the world's pollution. Bring back Canada's export manufacturing sector to environmental standards of North America and Europe.

That is not going to happen unless you want to pay way below minimum wages to the workers. It's all about money.

 

[licks2nite]

That is not going to happen unless you want to pay way below minimum wages to the workers. It's all about money.

U.S. financial blogs stress that the jobs lost overseas will not come back. Talking about artificial intelligence, robots and automation. Shouldn't exactly expect the jobs to come back, just the manufacturing.

 

[testicles]

On the election wrapup on the CBC tonight, the pundints mentioned that the NDP are totally broke. Reportedly they had to mortgage some key property just to finance this last election. Therefore it is safe to say the longer the delay before the next election, the better it will suit the NDP. And despite how well Singh was perceived to have done during the debates and reporter scrums, at the end of the day the NDP lost almost half of their seats. So don't be surprised if the NDP causcus vote Singh out and select a new leader. That also takes time, both to select a new leader and to get him/her settled in for the 6 weeks battle like which we just witnessed.

If what I have written in the previous paragraph is in fact the case, then Liberals may have to concede very little to the NDP in order to stay in power.

So yes 80watts, I agree that it will be 2-3 years at least before the next election.

JD

Tom Mulcair must be feeling absolutely sick right now.

 

[testicles]

If it weren't for the social collateral damage, I kinda wish it was the Conservatives that had lost the popular vote but won more seats. Would've been justice for the hypocrite. As it is he probably thinks he dodged a bullet by reneging on PR.

The Tories only won the popular vote because they won by Enver Hoxha margins in many Prairie ridings.

 

[clu]

As unhappy as I am with Trudeau, it does give me life to see the conniptions Conservatives supporters (particularly in Alberta) are throwing. Guys, we had two minority and one majority Harper governments in a row. So far that's still been one more Harper government than Trudeau government. And as much as you might find this impossible to fathom, there are people who hated Harper as much as you hate Trudeau. So take a seat; you had your turn and I'm sure you will again one day. This #wexit thing is immature.

 

[licks2nite]

In addition to the fact that manufacturing jobs will not come back, due to much more "favourable" conditions overseas there is also the niggling fact that the US will never allow it.

Consider NAFTA, it was essentially designed to destroy manufacturing and ensure that nations like Canada are "allowed" to produce raw materials ONLY which can then be exported to a nation like the US or Mexico where it the raw materials can be manufactured into a finished product and then sold at a massive profit back to the nation that produced the raw goods. Soft wood lumber is harvested in BC, shipped to the US where it is fashioned into lumber and used - or exported back to Canada. Metals mined in Canada, refined in Canada/smelted and then sent to the US and eventually back to Canada... Etc...

Did a hell of a job, destroyed the mills, broke tons of unions - made sure the US became completely dominant over the North American market. Manifest Destiny baby!

As an "olive branch" as it were, to the impatient Albertans who feel they must have "Sovereignty" over their own affairs (probably should consider why Quebec backed out at the eleventh hour - it's a shitty idea, logistics are a fucking nightmare) consider the lifespan of a minority government. Never in Canadian history has a minority government (Federally anyhow) survived a full four year term. The shortest serving was 3 days. The longest serving was a bit over two years (Harper's, can't remember offhand if it was his first or second minority). The average life span is shy of a year and a half. So, the odds are pretty good we'll be back to the polls by about mid-2021, if not sooner.

Laws are meant to be changed. That's why have legislatures.

 

[storm rider]

Best part of this election was my 14 year old wanting to sit and watch the results. I know people like to complain about teachers and the educational system but I give kudos for engaging my kid. I didn't somewhat but his high school really made an effort too.

I will pick this little nugget to ask about.....given that the discussion has just gone off the rails.

What were your 14 year old son's political leanings?Given his age and most likely having just started grade 10.With him going through the socialist meat grinder which is the education system..I am curious if he was enterprising as I was at 14 and when learning about how it sucks to be an adult early.

Please enlighten me.

SR

 

[CanineCowboy]

https://business.financialpost.com/...lberta-for-granted-thats-dangerous-for-us-all

sure, why don't you give us half of what we've net contributed over the last 60 years?

cause if we were a "sovereign" country we would have kept it all

instead of punching above our weight, supporting all our useless welfare rat family members, lol

which we're still doing despite them stepping on our throats for the last 4+yrs

the TMX doesn't go ahead, shovels in the ground, pipe being laid, this 3rd world banana republic we're becoming due to the Liberals

we won't be even that for much longer, anyone who listened to Trudeau's speech last night, should be embarrassed for Canada

Toronto, especially, for enabling him, he literally picked up where he left off

wedging one part of the country against the other

how many times he has to state he's more of a Quebecois first, than a Canadian :sad:

it's a sad day for Canada, we should be embarrassed

we re-elected our Donald Trump


at least Regina pulled finally pulled it's head out of it's ass and punted Ralph, 20yrs past his best before date, but still

Wawawa! The electorate voted yesterday and two thirds of Canadians voted for a carbon tax. Quebec doesn't want a pipeline. Canadian's aren't interested in Conservative austerity. Alberta and Saskatchewan voted themselves into isolation. The Conservatives promoted division and lies and Canada didn't buy it.

Scheer couldn't even resist lying in defeat claiming a million more people voted for the Conservative Party than ever before (the real number is 300,000). More people voted Conservative in Alberta and Saskatchewan than in Quebec, Atlantic Canada and the North combined.

Overdone, stop being a sore loser. The Conservatives lost and without a leadership change and a change in direction your party won't be able to expand beyond their regional base and will lose again.

Another thread cynically asked 'How could Trudeau win the election?" - he just did. Get use to our Prime Minister because there won't be another election anytime soon.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

For the life of me I can't understand why Canada refuses to be Energy Independent, the energy east pipeline is a nobrainer. Why are they tankering in Saudi oil, the pollution those massive ships create is not good for climate change let alone the profits that are leaving the country. Paul Martin owns a tanker fleet, does he have that much clout to keep them shipping in oil, they should be exporting Canadian Petroleum products. This is a cold climate country and we wont be getting off oil anytime soon, just seems like such an assbackward way to run a Country. Quebec of all people should be doing everything they can to support Alberta its where their bread gets buttered!

 

[clu]

The Conservatives lost and without a leadership change and a change in direction your party won't be able to expand beyond their regional base and will lose again.

Yeah. That "Progressive" in the old Progressive Conservative name meant something. They might want to take another look at that.

I can't tell you how many people I speak to who call themselves "socially progressive, fiscally conservative." That's no fringe group. Maybe somebody should start thinking about gathering their support again.

 

[testicles]

At least Lenore Zann won. Maybe she’ll get her tits out again.

 

[80watts]

I really don't understand how people can "hate" certain leaders in politics, (unless they have harmed other people); their policies maybe...

I am from the west, and understand that Ottawa ignores stuff from the west.

If you look at the tanker ban and the pipeline going south and pipeline going to BC. The tar sands holds approximately 300 years of oil for Canada. Check out the following links to world oil reserves.

http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/data_graphs/330.htm
oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Has-Worlds-Largest-Oil-Reserves.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Canada
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-largest-oil-reserves-by-country.html

As you can see, people are confusing the issue with numbers, but the fact is Canada's oil is very heavy and needs refinement. Crude from the middle east is easier to manipulate to make gasoline and other products easier and cheaper. Its cheaper to use the lighter crudes first.
Canada oil reserves are based on oil sands, Hyburnia, (not sure if the Queen Charlottes are included and far north of Canada).

Why a tanker ban and ban on queen charlottes oil exploration, prevents exploration there, force people to go renewable.

Tying Canada to the oil price and revenue from it was an conservative platform from Harper. Price of oil fell, and Alberta jobs dried up. Albertans for over 50 years did not put safety policies in place (again Conservatives)

Canada is a wealthy country, in raw resources. We build with wood because its cheaper and easier to work with then stone. The pyramids were built with stone, so were roman roads, and they are still here today after thousands of years. Old Catherdrals are built with stone....

So we need laws to manufacture 50-60 % of our raw resources, and not give them away(on non-renewable resources).

Yes in certain areas we have to turn off the drain of Canada's natural resources, and be environmentally responsible for the resources we do manufacture.

The Party that holds most of the power is the NDP; as long as the bills stay withing the NDP agenda the Liberals are good to go....

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Alberta bituman is a far more valuable product than the light crudes that are imported from the middle east. Many more refined products can be made from it and it also has a much greater yield per barrel than light crude. American refiners have realized this and put the infrastucture in place to profit from Tar sands oil. They want this for themselves and have spent plenty of funds to support the enviro protests to keep this product landlocked. Its getting used and sold to the world from the gulf coast and American west coast refineries the USA is making the profits and Canada is being bypassed with this process especially because the US Pays 30% below world price. That oil is going out with us or without us, its really stupid this country doesnt have the balls to profit from its own resources!

https://achemistinlangley.net/2018/04/17/on-the-bizarre-narrative-about-bitumen-being-an-inferior-form-of-crude-oil-that-cant-be-sold/

 

[carvesg]

Alberta bituman is a far more valuable product than the light crudes that are imported from the middle east. Many more refined products can be made from it and it also has a much greater yield per barrel than light crude. American refiners have realized this and put the infrastucture in place to profit from Tar sands oil. They want this for themselves and have spent plenty of funds to support the enviro protests to keep this product landlocked. Its getting used and sold to the world from the gulf coast and American west coast refineries the USA is making the profits and Canada is being bypassed with this process especially because the US Pays 30% below world price. That oil is going out with us or without us, its really stupid this country doesnt have the balls to profit from its own resources!

https://achemistinlangley.net/2018/04/17/on-the-bizarre-narrative-about-bitumen-being-an-inferior-form-of-crude-oil-that-cant-be-sold/

Why are we not refining that black gold ourselves and keep more job on this side of the border instead of shipping not only the raw product but the jobs that could come with it ??? Rhetorical question ...we all know the answers

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Why are we not refining that black gold ourselves and keep more job on this side of the border instead of shipping not only the raw product but the jobs that could come with it ??? Rhetorical question ...we all know the answers

To top it all off Trudeau has put a westcoast tanker moratorium killing northern gateway, the shortest global route to the asian markets 5 days by tanker. No one could compete with Canada in this market, that same crude takes 3 weeks to ship from the gulf coast, how much extra geenhouse gas is produced by this method. Big oil is calling the shots here!

 

[rlock]

Well, I suppose making her Speaker would be one way to neutralize her. I can't think why she would want that, though.

Not sure about "neutralize". If she's not in a party, she'll have little influence beyond Vancouver-Granville. But the Speaker has a lot of power over how Parliament functions, and what goes on behind the scenes. (The controversies in the BC legislature prove how easy it can be for a Speaker to uncover all kinds of shenanigans, if they feel like it.)