He did make the bonehead play in game 4 that tied the game, but one player does not win, or lose a game.I'm going to blame losing to Chicago on Willie Mitchell. His botched clearing attempt in game 4 led to the Martin Havlat tying goal.
After that it was all downhill. Lost the game, Series was tied 2-2 instead of a stranglehold going home at 3-1.
I still think Luongo is worth his salary in the new NHL. Got to lock up your star players before somebody else does.
So is Luongo really worth....
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True. I'll also admit that Luongo had the 1 of his worst, if not the worst, performance of his career in Game 6 vs Chicago.
But if I have to blame someone for the series loss, it'd be Mitchell and not Luongo.
Would you say the same when Cloutier let in the Lidstrom center ice goal?
Almost same situation in terms of momentum swing.
TSN turning point lol
He is a great goalie
I'm not a canuck fan but I do know goaltending.
Luongo can't win a game for his team! What people don't seem to mention is even if he plays perfectly in a game all he can do is ensure a tie.
Canuck management signed him to that contract because he is one of the best in the league in the defensive role. He is there to cover mistakes of the skaters in front of him.
There are 20 teams in the league that would jump all over the chance to sign Luongo at that contract.
I'm not a canuck fan but I do know goaltending.
Luongo can't win a game for his team! What people don't seem to mention is even if he plays perfectly in a game all he can do is ensure a tie.
Canuck management signed him to that contract because he is one of the best in the league in the defensive role. He is there to cover mistakes of the skaters in front of him.
There are 20 teams in the league that would jump all over the chance to sign Luongo at that contract.
Society would go on without Neurosurgeons..there'd just be a lot less people... or a lot more brain tumors
I find it difficult...and so I decline to do so....to pay $70+++ to sit and watch a game...it is a game. I prefer to play the game rather than be charged for the right to watch.
Having said that, I love playing golf. And I will still pay big money to watch the best of the best do what they do best. Work it out Tiger...I want to see you in April...and I know you care!....lol.
kindest,
eddie.
p.s...i hijacked this thread to golf, stupid me. Golfers are paid upon performance...that was the issue I wished to contrast. I enjoy performance paid anything. It just seems...fair.
Having said that, I love playing golf. And I will still pay big money to watch the best of the best do what they do best. Work it out Tiger...I want to see you in April...and I know you care!....lol.
kindest,
eddie.
p.s...i hijacked this thread to golf, stupid me. Golfers are paid upon performance...that was the issue I wished to contrast. I enjoy performance paid anything. It just seems...fair.
Yes, I do; and I agree to certain extent.
However, aren't we debating the fact that Luongo's NHL salary is over-priced rather than the justification of the amount pro atheletes are paid?
Anyways, to beat a dead horse even more, Luongo is worth every penny, because I'd rather have him backstop the Canucks instead of play against him.
I think Luongo can steal a game for the Canucks, he's done so in the past. This year is not a good year for the team so far, but there's still a lot of the season left; and a large amount of road games, so I wouldn't be surprised if he stole a few games during that stretch.civic said:
really? In a salary-cap era, plus looking at the the Stanley cup winners since then, does it make any sense to commit so much to a goalie who has won dick all? Of course if u're a Ch & BW, this wld make sense lol. Then I truly feel sorry. Detroit & Pittsburgh sure wldnt touch Luongo if they were given a choice between their Cups or hving a playoff no-show in Bonny Lu.
As far as I m concerned, the nicks r doomed when the Sisters & Luongo eat almost a third of yr cap: tsk tsk Mr.Gillis
Overpaid ?
Luongo and his peers are likely the TOP thirty goaltenders in the world. In that respect it would seem they're worthy of their salaries.
I can only imagine that the top Neurosurgeons earn their keep too.
Luongo might be one of the best in the regular season but until he elevates his game in the post season or Olympics there will always be doubt.
Luongo and his peers are likely the TOP thirty goaltenders in the world. In that respect it would seem they're worthy of their salaries.
I can only imagine that the top Neurosurgeons earn their keep too.
Luongo might be one of the best in the regular season but until he elevates his game in the post season or Olympics there will always be doubt.
How dare anyone questions our resident hockey expert's opinion on Luongo? Until such time as he wins the Stanley Cup, Conn Smythe, Hart, Vezina and William M. Jennings Trophy all in the same season, he will always be right. Anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing about hockey and are the biggest BW and CH in his shit for brains.
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Isn't that basically what the salary cap does
The Canucks have sold out every seat for the last several years.
So the "take" would be a constant
So basically you are saying Gillis should have dumped Luongo. So which goaltender do you think Gillis should have signed/picked up instead? Please enlighten me.
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you seem to be saying that because the Sedins account for 50% of their team's points it wouldn't be unreasonable to allocate 50% of the salary cap to their salary...
simply absurd...
points are not the only measure of a players value...
Luongo accounts for ~.3% of his team's offensive production, does that mean the team should only allocate ~.3% of their salary cap to his salary...
if Lidstrom played on the Canucks and he finished the season with 60 points and won the Norris trophy would you argue the he deserves to be paid only 75% of the Sedins because he only had 75% as many points...
a fairer comparison would be to compare their salary to only the forwards on the team...
even than, that would be subject to further qualification, but that is beyond the scope of this board...
just as an aside, I once had a member of this board try to convince me that both Sidney Crosby and Eric Godard have the same probability of winning the Conn Smythe trophy because they both account for 1/20th of the roster...
with regards to Luongo's salary...
I feel it is reasonable based on his value to the team, as he is probably a top three in the world goaltender...
as a man he is a whinning, snivelling, man-child who runs and hides when things don't go his way, (see Tiger Woods), but that shouldn't detract from the fact that he is a first class puck-stopper...
I hasten to add he has it pretty good in Vancouver, as I would say he has about 99.9% of Vancouverite's heads stuck up his ass...
that argument is specious...(Btw, the Sedins eat up 25% of the team's Salary cap, yet contribute to half the team's offensive output. Even if you eliminated the points overlap, they would still contribute to 30% of the offensive. In that case a 25% cap hit is not a big deal; in fact, the argument can be made that it's quite a bargain.
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you seem to be saying that because the Sedins account for 50% of their team's points it wouldn't be unreasonable to allocate 50% of the salary cap to their salary...
simply absurd...
points are not the only measure of a players value...
Luongo accounts for ~.3% of his team's offensive production, does that mean the team should only allocate ~.3% of their salary cap to his salary...
if Lidstrom played on the Canucks and he finished the season with 60 points and won the Norris trophy would you argue the he deserves to be paid only 75% of the Sedins because he only had 75% as many points...
a fairer comparison would be to compare their salary to only the forwards on the team...
even than, that would be subject to further qualification, but that is beyond the scope of this board...
just as an aside, I once had a member of this board try to convince me that both Sidney Crosby and Eric Godard have the same probability of winning the Conn Smythe trophy because they both account for 1/20th of the roster...
with regards to Luongo's salary...
I feel it is reasonable based on his value to the team, as he is probably a top three in the world goaltender...
as a man he is a whinning, snivelling, man-child who runs and hides when things don't go his way, (see Tiger Woods), but that shouldn't detract from the fact that he is a first class puck-stopper...
I hasten to add he has it pretty good in Vancouver, as I would say he has about 99.9% of Vancouverite's heads stuck up his ass...
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I agree, that old saying" you don't know what you've got til it's gone", would certainly apply if the Sedins were traded.These guys are a threat to score every time they are on the ice.What more could you want?,Fair enough, Mr. Hunsperger. It's quite obvious that the intangibles must be considered when assessing a player's true value towards his team. So since you brought it up, consider this. How do you replace two guys who combine for 160 points per season and are a combined +195 since they started their NHL careers 9 years ago? Vancouver is not a competitive team without them. I think most teams would gladly take on more than their combined $12.2M cap hit because they're going to significantly increase your odds of winning the big game.
The same applies to Luongo. His $6.75M cap hit is in anticipation of what he will provide your team one day. His value to the organization is beyond measure.
Conversely, one can argue that until these guys win the big game, they've got a lot to prove. The Olympics in Vancouver is a great start! Holy f*** am I getting excited!
Having said that, most teams out there wouldn't hesitate to pay more for those three guys because any one of them will truly increase your odds of winning that big game. You guys have all 3 of them. Stop complaining.
Holy cow.....imagine if I WAS a Canucklhead fan!
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As for Luongo. I would rather have a goaltender that is hungry to win the Cup, rather then someone who has won a few Cups. I have seen too many, so called."saviours" come to Vancouver with Stanley Cup experience late in their career and do absolutely nothing,
Really?
So hving luongo has made us better? Gee, I cldnt tell fr his no-show performances in the playoffs. It's a good think CH & BW r easy to please. Just lower standards i guess. Prob just getting past the 1st round is what makes ppl think this is a 'competitive' team lol.
No goalie has won a cup in recent yrs, like the roys, brodeurs & haseks. Alas the fans here will say louie hasn't the same defence either haha
So hving luongo has made us better? Gee, I cldnt tell fr his no-show performances in the playoffs. It's a good think CH & BW r easy to please. Just lower standards i guess. Prob just getting past the 1st round is what makes ppl think this is a 'competitive' team lol.
No goalie has won a cup in recent yrs, like the roys, brodeurs & haseks. Alas the fans here will say louie hasn't the same defence either haha
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the thing about Luongo is he gets them to the playoffs...
without Luongo, this team wouldn't get a sniff of the playoffs...
I find it interesting that it was Canuck fans who originally called the Sedins "the sisters"...
now they're heroes...
typical of this inferior hockey city and their two-faced fans...
the thing about Luongo is he gets them to the playoffs...
without Luongo, this team wouldn't get a sniff of the playoffs...
I find it interesting that it was Canuck fans who originally called the Sedins "the sisters"...
now they're heroes...
typical of this inferior hockey city and their two-faced fans...
Was BJH that called them sisters, and a couple others that did. Don't blame the real fans for their comments.
We stay fans regardless of the endless taunts that the bunch of you keep initiating. .
Some of you hate Luongo, and/or the Sedins and/or the fans.
Every time you guys launch a taunt or a tirade, numerous posters jump in to defend the fans and players
Well keep on hating. Cause it seems we're not going away. We're real fans and support the team. Without the fans that all of you seem to hate, there would be no team for you all to hate.
Then you would be lost cause the only thing left for you all to hate would be yourselves.
Oh Dr. TopperApparently you need to catch up on the changes that have been implemented in the National Hockey League the past 4 seasons.
If goaltenders played a perfect game, it will, in fact, guarantee a win because a shootout would follow a scoreless game. There are no more ties, dude.
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I don't want to get tied up in symantics or get into a pissing match. I am familar with the rule changes. But again, he plays a defensive position. All he can do is ensure a tie. He can't score goals in a shoot out. One of his team mates has to score. All he can do is prevent goals, not score them. One of the skater has to score for Luongo's team to win, dude.