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I call bullshit.

You have established nothing - except for the fact that you and your left leaning comrades are very gullible by accepting the crap spewed by the likes of that hypocrite Gore whose "facts" aren't supported by any science at all. Face it. you can't accept an opposing view.

Give me a break about any thing OTBn (self masterbat ... er.... self moderator) and C-Licker, have to say. I doubt if they have half a brain between them.
I agree. Nothing has been established. This is somewhere between politics and a religion, and in either case repeating one's beliefs is de rigueur.

I concluded in the mid-80's that industrial activity would warm the Earth, in the short run; but the false Global Warming Religion which later arose has spread intolerance and hysteria, distorted the scientific facts, and broken the scientific tradition of skepticism and open debate. All proof is by intimidation and appeal to authority. Who are these new Gods, that we should cease all heresy and renounce all Science which contradicts the Faith? Perhaps Nature should now only publish polls instead of papers describing careful experiments and accurate data.

Consuming quicksilver is the key to longevity. Alchemists and physicians throughout the world agree on this.
 
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We've already established that you're wrong on “if Global Warming is true then we should be able to predict temperatures over 12 months” and wrong on using “they were predicting an ice age so they must be wrong now”; but you still throw it out there hoping that no one will notice that you've been soundly and repeatedly rebutted.

Can you 'git' that?

Practically every point and counterpoint that you've put forth has been shown to be full of shit. If a point or counterpoint is crap, then it's utility as evidence is lost. Again, you fail to understand that basic concept.

And let's be clear, I don't think that I'll all that smart and I never said that everybody else is stupid. I'm just saying that YOU are, of which, we have ample evidence.
And you don't think you've been soundly and repeatedly rebutted when you speak out? You think only yours and CL and OTBN's or any other alarmist oh my god we're going to die rebuttals are of significance. You are as smug as the so called scientists that are raking in your cash so that they can chase this fictional man caused global warming event. If global warming is happening, it's natural and there isn't a damn thing you or CL or OTBn or anyone else can do to stop it. So yes it may be happening I think everyone could say that it's a possibility but not because of man.

One point none of you ever bother to address is the fact that your so called expert scientists are the same ones that predicted the doom and gloom of an ice age back in the 70's. Were they correct then? A resounding NO is the answer. So could it be possible that these money hungry scientists are WRONG again?? Well, is it possible??? Is it?? The answer is YES they could be and most likely ARE WRONG. Can you at least admit that they COULD be WRONG? Cmon say it with me. "The scientists could be wrong". There that wasn't so hard was it??

It doesn't even take loads of evidence to put holes in this man causing global warming issue. Why is it if CO2 causes the earth to warm up were the temperatures wayyyyy lower back at the beginning of the industrial revolution through about 25 plus years when CO2 levels were at their highest?? Why?? Please explain because none of you self proclaimed smart assess have explained that yet. Also please explain how when a greenhouse gas such as CO2 that makes up less than .05% of the atmosphere could it have this made up devastating effect on temperature increase. Less than .05% were talking here and of that man made CO2 is even less than that. Give me a break. You self proclaimed no it alls think that only the scientists running with this scam have credibility but there are numerous scientists and climatologists that refute the evidence. Oh yeah how could I forget, they are all oil company scientists. Yeah, whatever. Once again, give me a break. There is tons of evidence against man made global warming including the fact the the earth has spent numerous years naturally extremely warmer than it is right now and that's long before man made CO2 was existent. Would you like to refute that too?? The evidence against man cause global warming in fact is overwhelming and is mounting.

With regards to the bet with RW, the alarmist will be paying and it will likely take less than 20 years to establish it. But hey don't worry your expert scientists will come up with something new for you to worry about and then you can go on about how smart you are and back them on whatever their flavour of the day will be then.

As I have said before I agree with cleaning up the air and water and being environmentally smart but spending my money on reducing man made CO2 emissions in a futile attempt to cool down the earth is a total waste of my taxes. And these scientists that insist on taking my money to continue this scam are the real idiots.

Or maybe they aren't the real idiots if people are willing to give it to them.
 

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I call bullshit.

You have established nothing
Actually, we've established that you don't know what you're talking about.

- except for the fact that you and your left leaning comrades are very gullible by accepting the crap spewed by the likes of that hypocrite Gore whose "facts" aren't supported by any science at all. Face it. you can't accept an opposing view. Even the UN has reported disagreement with some of Gore's 'facts'. (Check some of my posts above for details).
I'm accepting the assertions of the scientists themselves which has nothing to do with my political stripe. The fact that Gore happens to be the one who made the movie is entirely coincidental; I would be making the exact same arguments whether it was him, George Bush or whomever. And you're the last person who should be accusing anybody of being gullible given your blind acceptance of all “facts against Climate Change”.

You should face it. You don't debate the science of global warming, because you can't.
 

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One point none of you ever bother to address is the fact that your so called expert scientists are the same ones that predicted the doom and gloom of an ice age back in the 70's. Were they correct then? A resounding NO is the answer. So could it be possible that these money hungry scientists are WRONG again?? Well, is it possible??? Is it?? The answer is YES they could be and most likely ARE WRONG. Can you at least admit that they COULD be WRONG? Cmon say it with me. "The scientists could be wrong". There that wasn't so hard was it??
Actually, I did address this over at the other board. The ice age prediction was a Newsweek article that was based on two studies that showed how smog particulates could lead to a cooling affect on temperatures, another factor that must be taken into consideration. It was not the scientists that were predicting an ice age; it was the media. And I have already said that scientists can be wrong; but "could" does not equal "is". And to even think that they're doing it for the money is retarded.

It doesn't even take loads of evidence to put holes in this man causing global warming issue. yada yada yada
I believe that these are the arguments put forth by that “Global Warming Swindle” movie, right? Well, there was rebuttal video put out by a climate scientist in Scotland where he goes over the major points of the movie (which include the ones you posted here). It's not as slick as the movie, as he's just one scientist and doesn't have the production money of the movie. But he shows how each and every one of them is based on half truths, twisted logic or just outright false information.
 

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More Bangladesh vs Canada

I googled around to see just how superior Canadian farm yields were to a Third World country like Bangladesh.

As of 1997, Canada had 711335 tractors vs. 5400 for Bangladesh. Should be pretty lopsided.

Interestingly enough, Bangladesh has higher crop yields and geographically a much higher proportion of arable land. Only 4.6% of Canada's land area is arable, compared to 57.9% for Bangladesh. The average crop yield for cereals (1999-2001) grown by Canadian farmers was 2772 kg per hectare versus 3322 kg/ha for Bangladeshis.

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/agriculture-food/country-profile-33.html

The difference is that Bangladesh has nearly 5 times as many people as Canada crowded into a region smaller than Iowa. The population density is 300 times greater! Geographically, Canada is 70 times larger than Bangladesh, hence even though far less of Canada is suitable for growing crops, it still has over 5 times as much cropland as Bangladesh. This poverty stricken country has only 63 hectares of cropland per thousand persons. By contrast, there are 1499 hectares of cropland per thousand Canadians.

"Net Cereal Imports and Food Aid as a Percent of Total Consumption" to Bangladesh was 7.5%. Considering the lack of capital and underdeveloped infrastructure, that's not at all bad. Bangladesh is growing 92.5% of the food internally to feed 147M people on 8.44M hectares of cropland. Canada could not come anywhere close to supporting that kind of population density (ie 10 billion people).
 

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"Humans don’t cause global warming, a jury of sixth graders at Trail Ridge Middle School concluded."
see? RH & his nimrod crew FINALLY got the final say.I can just see RH tugging at his teacher`s skirt incessantly for 12 days straight until she conceded & let him stage his "trial". Ya think RH is under the impression that Gore is gonna run for class prez & take over as prom king?

True, tho, that RH`s concept of Global Warming isn`t even suitable for the 6th grade mind, they are laughable. Take for example:

If man made global warming is fact, shouldn`t it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months?
Showing, once again, he has no understanding of the theory, no understanding of scientific processes, or even what the meaning of the term "secular trend" means. But why should he, "secular" is a 3 syllable word & RH is still in the 6th grad.

Ya gotta admire his perseverance, tho. Every single "argument" has been refuted, all of his ludicrous assertions have been popped, and his personal biases & partisan ideology are revealed every time he posts, and yet he still makes the same mistakes over & over & over again.

I guess he gets points on consistency. Someone who`s wrong each & every time does have a perfect record, of a sorts. But not as good as a broken clock, at least it`s right twice every day.

You have established nothing - except for the fact that you and your left leaning comrades are very gullible by accepting the crap spewed by the likes of that hypocrite Gore whose "facts" aren`t supported by any science at all.
yeah, no support, except from every major scientific body around, including real scientists born AFTER 1970, like in the the American Association for the Advancement of Science & the National Academy of Sciences.

(ya gotta repeat things very slowly for the feeble minded)

You should face it. You don`t debate the science of global warming, because you can`t.
Hell, he can`t even PRONOUNCE it.

(The futile post, because some people are just like the Bizarro Joe Friday, "Don`t bother me w/ the facts, ma`m")
 

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I googled around to see just how superior Canadian farm yields were to a Third World country like Bangladesh.

As of 1997, Canada had 711335 tractors vs. 5400 for Bangladesh. Should be pretty lopsided.

Interestingly enough, Bangladesh has higher crop yields and geographically a much higher proportion of arable land. Only 4.6% of Canada's land area is arable, compared to 57.9% for Bangladesh. The average crop yield for cereals (1999-2001) grown by Canadian farmers was 2772 kg per hectare versus 3322 kg/ha for Bangladeshis.

http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/agriculture-food/country-profile-33.html

The difference is that Bangladesh has nearly 5 times as many people as Canada crowded into a region smaller than Iowa. The population density is 300 times greater! Geographically, Canada is 70 times larger than Bangladesh, hence even though far less of Canada is suitable for growing crops, it still has over 5 times as much cropland as Bangladesh. This poverty stricken country has only 63 hectares of cropland per thousand persons. By contrast, there are 1499 hectares of cropland per thousand Canadians.

"Net Cereal Imports and Food Aid as a Percent of Total Consumption" to Bangladesh was 7.5%. Considering the lack of capital and underdeveloped infrastructure, that's not at all bad. Bangladesh is growing 92.5% of the food internally to feed 147M people on 8.44M hectares of cropland. Canada could not come anywhere close to supporting that kind of population density (ie 10 billion people).
It’s good to have to test a person’s knowledge and notions of a country. However, I don’t believe that you have been there. I have. And not as one of the thousands of “sex tourists”.

Bangladesh has undeveloped Natural Gas resources that will end up being exported rather than used for the benefit of it’s population.

Evidently, your Google search didn’t give you any hits on the reality of Bangladesh. Bangladesh (East Pakistan or East Bangle) is heavily contaminated with Arsenic as is West Bangle (a province of India), this is a geologic problem caused by the location of the aquifer and not a human created problem.
http://bicn.com/acic/

While the “service industry” produces 59.5% of the GNP, the agricultural sector is where 66% of people are employed. Most of the people are poor, 45% below the poverty line. The wealthy are very wealthy, 10% of the population controls 28% of the GNP, the very poor are unimaginably poor, 10% controls 3.9% of the GNP. Contrast that to the distribution of wealth in North America or Europe.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html#Econ

Did you know that the UN and the World Health Organization have a contraception program for girls 10 – 14 in Bangladesh? It’s needed. While I was there, a 7 year old bore a child. The link below has the chart.

Did you know that 60 years is an improvement in the age of death?

Did you know that Bangladesh still has Polio?

Did you know that 75% of Bangladesh’s children are malnourished?
http://www.whoban.org/country_health_profile.html

This is why I have a great deal of difficulty accepting the agricultural numbers you have given. There are other reasons:

I have witnessed what happens today when a cyclone hits the rice paddies. The land is incredibly fertile when the crops are allowed to mature. Often the crops don’t mature.

The entire country is a river delta. If Global Warming results in a 1 foot increase in Mean Sea Level, that will be a disaster for Bangladesh. Look at what happens along the Mississippi, imagine an entire country that is like that every time a wet storm hits the mountains to the north.

The country suffered “land reform” when it liberated itself from Pakistan. You don’t use tractors on 100 foot by 300 foot plots of land. The tractors you refer to belong to the 10% that are very rich.
 

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It’s good to have to test a person’s knowledge and notions of a country. However, I don’t believe that you have been there. I have. And not as one of the thousands of “sex tourists”.
One of my best friends is Bangladeshi, and we have talked about conditions in his homeland often over the years. Certainly, that in no way makes me well informed about the country, but most of my impressions of it come from him.

Evidently, your Google search didn’t give you any hits on the reality of Bangladesh. Bangladesh (East Pakistan or East Bangle) is heavily contaminated with Arsenic as is West Bangle (a province of India), this is a geologic problem caused by the location of the aquifer and not a human created problem.
Please, no insults. We've been pretty good about not descending to name calling. I never claimed that Bangladesh was a paradise, or free from environmental issues. The primary source I cited was the World Resources Institute, an environmental think tank. I also used the UN FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization) data, as well as the USDA and other US and Canadian government websites.

The contamination issue you mention was mentioned in the CIA World Factbook, which I previously cited:

"Environment - current issues:
many people are landless and forced to live on and cultivate flood-prone land; water-borne diseases prevalent in surface water; water pollution, especially of fishing areas, results from the use of commercial pesticides; ground water contaminated by naturally occurring arsenic; intermittent water shortages because of falling water tables in the northern and central parts of the country; soil degradation and erosion; deforestation; severe overpopulation"

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html#Geo

While the “service industry” produces 59.5% of the GNP, the agricultural sector is where 66% of people are employed. Most of the people are poor, 45% below the poverty line. The wealthy are very wealthy, 10% of the population controls 28% of the GNP, the very poor are unimaginably poor, 10% controls 3.9% of the GNP. Contrast that to the distribution of wealth in North America or Europe.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html#Econ

Did you know that the UN and the World Health Organization have a contraception program for girls 10 – 14 in Bangladesh? It’s needed. While I was there, a 7 year old bore a child. The link below has the chart.

Did you know that 60 years is an improvement in the age of death?

Did you know that Bangladesh still has Polio?

Did you know that 75% of Bangladesh’s children are malnourished?
http://www.whoban.org/country_health_profile.html

This is why I have a great deal of difficulty accepting the agricultural numbers you have given. There are other reasons:

I have witnessed what happens today when a cyclone hits the rice paddies. The land is incredibly fertile when the crops are allowed to mature. Often the crops don’t mature.

The entire country is a river delta. If Global Warming results in a 1 foot increase in Mean Sea Level, that will be a disaster for Bangladesh. Look at what happens along the Mississippi, imagine an entire country that is like that every time a wet storm hits the mountains to the north.

The country suffered “land reform” when it liberated itself from Pakistan. You don’t use tractors on 100 foot by 300 foot plots of land. The tractors you refer to belong to the 10% that are very rich.
I never said that Bangladesh was a great country to live in, I emphasized strongly that it is desperately overpopulated. Europe, Canada, and the US enjoy fantastic per capita resource advantages. That wasn't my point.

The starting point for the scientific analysis of population growth is the Logistic Equation. This simple equation says that population will rise until it reaches the carrying capacity of the environment, and after a transition period, it will stabilize to this level. Of course, this is only the most basic model (beyond simple geometric population growth, such as a bacterial colony), but this essential behavior is widely present in more realistic population models.

The climate in Bangladesh is sufficiently hospitable to human life, that they have multiplied to astonishing levels. In doing so, they may be creating environmental hazards which will ultimately damage the long term carrying capacity of the region. But such incredible overpopulation cannot occur in a sparsely populated, desolate place such as Greenland. The Arctic will never face the crushing overpopulation of countries such as Indonesia or much of India and China. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, India and China possessed vastly greater wealth than the European states. Recall that European explorers searched relentlessly for centuries for trade routes to access the riches of Asia. Some even went so far as to attempt to sail around the world.

I invite you to compare the proportion of arable land and crop yields in Mediterranean countries such as France, Spain, Italy, and Greece to their far Northern European counterparts in Sweden, Norway, and Finland. Even in Canada, large expanses of permafrost are a major impediment to development. The US has more than 4 times as much arable land as Canada, and over twice the crop yield per acreage, hence about 10 times the food production capacity, and unsurprisingly 10 times the population.

Long term, you need food supplies for a population to grow. Lack of food will either lead to migrations or declining population. Short term, catastrophic overshoots and collapse can occur. Agriculture is the reason that there are over 6 billion people alive today, a thousand times their pre-Agricultural numbers. Agriculture requires fertile land, and it's why people fight and die by the millions to control it.
 
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One of my best friends is Bangladeshi, and we have talked about conditions in his homeland often over the years. Certainly, that in no way makes me well informed about the country, but most of my impressions of it come from him.


Please, no insults. We've been pretty good about not descending to name calling. I never claimed that Bangladesh was a paradise, or free from environmental issues. The primary source I cited was the World Resources Institute, an environmental think tank. I also used the UN FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization) data, as well as the USDA and other US and Canadian government websites.

The contamination issue you mention was mentioned in the CIA World Factbook, which I cited:

"Environment - current issues:
many people are landless and forced to live on and cultivate flood-prone land; water-borne diseases prevalent in surface water; water pollution, especially of fishing areas, results from the use of commercial pesticides; ground water contaminated by naturally occurring arsenic; intermittent water shortages because of falling water tables in the northern and central parts of the country; soil degradation and erosion; deforestation; severe overpopulation"




I never said that Bangladesh was a great country to live in, I emphasized strongly that it is incredibly overpopulated. Europe, Canada, and the US enjoy incredible resource advantages. That wasn't my point.

The starting point for the scientific analysis of population growth is the Logistic Equation. This simple equation says that population will rise until it reaches the carrying capacity of the environment, and after a transition period, it will stabilize to this level. Of course, this is only the most basic model (beyond simple geometric population growth, such as a bacterial colony), but this essential behavior is widely present in more realistic population models.

The climate in Bangladesh is sufficiently hospitable to human life, that they have multiplied to astonishing levels. In doing so, they may be creating environmental hazards which will ultimately damage the long term carrying capacity of the region. But such incredible overpopulation cannot occur in a sparsely populated, desolate place such as Greenland. The Arctic will never face the crushing overpopulation of countries such as Indonesia or much of India and China.

Long term, you need food supplies for a population to grow. Lack of food will either lead to migrations or declining population. Short term, catastrophic overshoots and collapse can occur. Agriculture is responsible for the fact that there are over 6 billion people on the Earth today, a thousand times their pre-Agricultural numbers. Fertile land is what drives agriculture, and it's why people fight to the death and die by the millions to control it.
I'm sorry you took it as an insult. That wasn't my intention.

I believe that the current estimate of the world's population is 9 Billion.

During the Medieval Warm Period which was also a period of Global Warming the planet had only 500 million or so people. Food was so abundant that it created the leisure for people to create.

The problem is that 18 times the number of people eat a lot more food.

The reason that Bangladesh is Muslim is that it was desirable territory when it was invaded and made Muslim. That invasion took place some time ago and what can feed 50 - 60 million people doesn't feed 147 million.
 

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I'm sorry you took it as an insult. That wasn't my intention.
Np. Just wanted to make clear that I didn't cherry pick my sources regarding Bangladesh.

I believe that the current estimate of the world's population is 9 Billion.
According to the US Census Bureau, the global population is 6.6 billion. 9 billion is the projection for 2050.

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html


During the Medieval Warm Period which was also a period of Global Warming the planet had only 500 million or so people. Food was so abundant that it created the leisure for people to create.
Exactly my point. Europe has warmed significantly versus its ancient past, and this has translated into much greater population, wealth, and commensurate power. During the Medieval Warm Period, the population of Europe doubled, and rising prosperity propelled it forward technologically and militarily.

The problem is that 18 times the number of people eat a lot more food.

The reason that Bangladesh is Muslim is that it was desirable territory when it was invaded and made Muslim. That invasion took place some time ago and what can feed 50 - 60 million people doesn't feed 147 million.
True. The bigger the party, the bigger the bust. In much of the world, humanity has essentially multiplied to the point where we are an infestation.

AgentSmith said:
I’d like to share with you a revelation I’ve had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we... are the cure.
 

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I love the way the "skeptics" (read: "morons") have started to dump on the use of carbon credits.

The fact that the biggest nuts denying science are also dumping on them shows there can't be a free market approach to fixing the problem. And that they know as little about the program as they know about Global Warming, if their stupid posts can possibly be taken at face value. Which is kinda hard to do, accepting that people can be this stupid.

Same nuts torpedoed Kyoto Protocols, & any other even weak attempt to work on a solution.

Same kinda nuts were the ones against the Clean Air & Clean Water Acts.
 

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I followed your first link and came up with this nugget:

"Fertility is largely controlled by economics and by human aspirations. The high fertility of the developing world can be partially explained by the large number of hands needed to perform low-technology agricultural tasks. In these areas, families with large numbers of children realize an enhanced economic status. As technology improves, parents realize that having more children decreases rather than increases their standard of living. A dramatic example of this effect occurred in Thailand, where, as soon as parents realized that future economic status was linked to the secondary schooling (which is expensive in Thailand), the fertility rate dropped from about 6 to 2 in a decade!"

A way of expressing what we've been talking about. When you are farming on small plots with no machinery, no fertilizer and no pesticides every extra hand is needed. When your child is a consumer of ipods, pumper jumper sneakers and their own TV, you only have the one.

I don't actually think that any of the models in the second link is what is going to happen.

I think we are going to be dealing with climate change, but that change is mostly beneficial for us. The people who it isn't beneficial for are already poor. This, in my view, is the real problem. I think we will be looking at war. In fact, I think it's already started. This isn't the civilized, gentleman's war of the Europeans. Nor is it the overwhelming force type of war that America is partial to. You can't deal knockout blows to shadows. This is war of jealousy, hatred, old grievances and survival. The more that climate change benefits us, the more we will be attacked because we are seen as a cause of it.

The British taught the world that terrorism works. With India, with Palestine when the Jewish Terrorists created Israel, with south Ireland when they were able to govern independent of the Brits and now with north Ireland; the British have demonstrated that terrorism is the way for the weaker to gain what they desire.

Nobody should be surprised at is happening or will happen.

Therefore, I think we will continue for a few more years to increase in population. Then we will see the wealthy nations begin to further reduce their populations by birth reduction and refusal to accept immigration, die off in the poor nations and war with the weapons that can be used without exposing a person's homeland to easy retaliation.
 

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One point none of you ever bother to address is the fact that your so called expert scientists are the same ones that predicted the doom and gloom of an ice age back in the 70's. Were they correct then? A resounding NO is the answer. So could it be possible that these money hungry scientists are WRONG again?? Well, is it possible??? Is it??
c'mon, ya gots to step it up a notch if you want to post with the big boys... yeesh - right out of the deniers talking points playbook. Of course, that talking point has been so badly beat up and trashed it's truly remarkable you'd trot it out again - you must be new :D

let me help you - no credible scientists were behind your media led "global cooling" talking point... but since you boldly state the "same expert scientists" are now behind climate change, care to line up (as in actually name) those same expert scientists. Can't hey? Oh my...
 

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Former Vice President Al Gore refused to take a “Personal Energy Ethics Pledge” today to consume no more energy than the average American household. The pledge was presented to Gore by Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) Ranking Member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, during today’s global warming hearing.

WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!
red bolded, no less

it's called statesmanship Randy - if you were able to actually catch any of the hearings you would have seen how well Gore (and Boxer) handled that ass-clown Inhofe - who wanted Gore to pledge to reduce his personal energy use... not his CO2 or greenhouse gas output, but his energy use.

Randy, has Gore claimed climate change problems are caused by, ohhhhh, any ole type energy consumption? Or might it be only specific types of energy that produce greenhouse gases? Now why would Inhofe want to broadly associate energy use with greenhouse gases? Why would Inhofe want to falsely equate battling the problems of climate change with the need to reduce energy... regardless of the source of that energy? Why would Inhofe attempt to mislead the general public?

Gore champions greenhouse gas reductions, not energy reductions. As Gore stated, he buys 100% renewable power and is planning to build a solar power system..... Gore's personal family home electricity consumption doesn't contribute anything to global warming.

it's the Inhofe type deniers, the skeptics, who mistakenly argue that the only way to meet emission reduction targets is by sharply reducing energy use. On the other hand, Gore's climate change position touts smart energy use and renewables.
 

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Gore's climate change position touts smart energy use and renewables.
Smart energy use? So now he's using smart energy, combined with indulgences to heat his home? On top of that, his business is selling indulgences!? lmfao!
 

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How about we make a wager - I say that next year will be colder than this year and you say not so?
and there we have it! Possibly nothing else could be more defining... more damning - this Randy is your crowning glory!

cause like ya see Randy, one of them there accepted/understood principles is somethin bout relatively recent longer-term averages over the entire planet... uhhh, not just some single year (hotter or colder) phenomenon in one region of the globe. Basics Randy... just the basics...
You can't establish trendzzzzz over the short span of 20 years - its ludicrous! If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months?
basics Randy… just the basics. Know anything about trends… trend analysis? You know, that there stuff with the squiggly lines and all – where sumthin like a monthly chart might appear to be trending down while a daily chart appears to be trending up. Go figure.

Here’s a google for ya Randy…. just cow farts, right?

 

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basics Randy… just the basics. Know anything about trends… trend analysis? You know, that there stuff with the squiggly lines and all – where sumthin like a monthly chart might appear to be trending down while a daily chart appears to be trending up. Go figure.

Here’s a google for ya Randy…. just cow farts, right?

And your point is? This graph shows the earth warming since 1980, cooling for the previous 30 years, etc. Nobody is questioning that. The real question is what is causing it? There is no conclusive evidence man is the cause. He may be a minor contriboutor and we all need to reduce our carbon footprint. But these trends are always going to changes on happen in the universe.
BTW - If man is causing it, how are Al's indulgences going to cure it?

nb - you do not need to tell me abot trend analysis, I been doing it for 35 years.
 

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A way of expressing what we've been talking about. When you are farming on small plots with no machinery, no fertilizer and no pesticides every extra hand is needed. When your child is a consumer of ipods, pumper jumper sneakers and their own TV, you only have the one.
I like the fact that you're a link junkie, and enjoy surfing the web for information and different points of view.

No doubt, technology radically alters the course of population growth. Technology is both the cause and cure of overpopulation. I found the animated population maps on these two sites, particularly the one from Nova, informative:

"A.D. 0: 2,000 years ago...at the dawn of the first millenium A.D., the world's population was around 300 million.

"A.D. 1000: 1,000 years later...the population had risen by as little as 10 million. And well into the second millenium, it grew less than 0.1 percent each year. The numbers in Europe even fell in the 1300s - struck down by the Black Plague. But beginning in the late 18th century, the Industrial Revolution would raise living standards and spur growth.

"A.D 1800 One Billion: 800 years later...the population had climbed to the landmark of one billion people. Almost 65 percent of all people lived in Asia, 21 percent in a prospering Europe, and less than 1 percent in North America.

"1927 Two Billion: 127 years later...the two-billionth baby was born. From 1920 to 1950, the population growth rate hovered around 1 percent a year. But beginning in the middle of the century, the advent of antibiotics and other public health advances profoundly altered life expectancy, increasing the number of children who would live to bear their own children.

"1960 Three Billion: 33 years later...advances in medicine, agriculture, and sanitation had spread to many places in the developing world. By 1960, the global population reached three billion, and in the late 1960's the growth rate hit an all-time peak of 2.04 percent a year.

"1974 Four Billion: 14 years later...new reproductive technologies had helped curb the growth rate."

http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/human_pop/human_pop.html
http://desip.igc.org/populationmaps.html

I think we are going to be dealing with climate change, but that change is mostly beneficial for us. The people who it isn't beneficial for are already poor. This, in my view, is the real problem.
I agree fully. We have the capital and technology to anticipate and adapt to change, maximizing beneficial effects while minimizing the burden of harmful ones.

Besides that, the advanced countries possess vast amounts of land which could be more productively exploited under warmer conditions. Much of the developing world is already too hot, and vulnerable to desertification.

I think we will be looking at war. In fact, I think it's already started. This isn't the civilized, gentleman's war of the Europeans. Nor is it the overwhelming force type of war that America is partial to. You can't deal knockout blows to shadows. This is war of jealousy, hatred, old grievances and survival. The more that climate change benefits us, the more we will be attacked because we are seen as a cause of it.
Well, what else is new? All of life is continually engaged in a war for survival. The winners are always those who can adapt and exploit the environment to their advantage.
 
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This just in

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/climatologists_secure

Climatologists Secure Funding To Breed Glaciers In Captivity

March 30, 2007 | Issue 43•13

FAIRBANKS, AK—Researchers from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration received a $42 million federal grant for a captive-glacier breeding project that will attempt to spawn three to five of the massive, slow-moving bodies of land-carving ice by 2020.

"As the number of glaciers worldwide is less than half what it was 40 years ago, it is evident that we must do something to improve glacial fertility or they will face imminent extinction," said NOAA chief glacier behaviorist Ingrid Boorstein at a press conference at the future site of the National Indoor Glacier Preserve in central Alaska. "We've already sent teams of specially trained climbers to collect the Aletsch Glacier in Switzerland, Vatnajökull in Iceland, and the Siachen in the Himalayas to establish mating pairs."

The NOAA has received heavy criticism for its past failed attempts to reintroduce wild glaciers into their former Ice Age habitats in Central Europe and on the plains of the American Midwest.
 
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