An Inconvenient Truth

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Such changes would endanger some plants and animals while providing new opportunities for others, said John W. Williams, an assistant professor of geography at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
This is the key observation. Climate change involves both winners and losers.

It's not at all obvious that human beings will overall be worse off. Consider that our species evolved in a hot African climate. We naturally prefer warmer climates. People flock to vacation in places like Hawaii, California, Florida, Hawaii, Aruba, Brazil, etc. The two geographically largest countries in the world, Russia and Canada are sparsely populated because they are cold.


The reality is that we don't have to understand the precise reasons for the current warming trend. We are currently experiencing some of the effects and if we don't do what we can to mitigate the problem, we will suffer predictable severe adverse effects.
Are you saying that a priori, warmer climates must be more challenging for humanity? Is Winter so much more forgiving than Spring and Summer? Are deep Northern climates so much milder and preferable to tropical and subtropical ones? The bitter Russian winter is an enemy worse than any European army.

Bangladesh has 133 million people, in a country a quarter the size of Alberta. Warmer climates on the whole support significantly larger populations. In general, it is far more difficult for people to survive in cold climates than warm ones. It takes more industry, more infrastructure, greater technology.
 

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This is the key observation. Climate change involves both winners and losers.
I hope someone reads that this time rollerboy - because I said it before / above.
 

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How about we make a wager - I say that next year will be colder than this year and you say not so?
It's really like dealing w/ children who offer such bullshit.

This guy actually thinks that has anything to do w/ the Global Warming issues that real scientists have ID'd. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
 

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How about we make a wager - I say that next year will be colder than this year and you say not so?
and there we have it! Possibly nothing else could be more defining... more damning - this Randy is your crowning glory!

cause like ya see Randy, one of them there accepted/understood principles is somethin bout relatively recent longer-term averages over the entire planet... uhhh, not just some single year (hotter or colder) phenomenon in one region of the globe. Basics Randy... just the basics... trendzzzzzzzzzzz

 

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This is why Quantum Mechanics is the most powerful scientific theory ever devised. The greatest minds of the the last century wracked their brains exploring every challenge, every alternative, every possibility they could conceive.
And of course, the best climate scientists in the world working in the same peer reviewed process are all a bunch of shmucks. The assumption, again, is "All climatologists are stupid, they haven't considered all possibilities, etc.." even though the IPCC report clearly indicates that they have given due consideration to all possibilities. Again, the double standard is "Scientists are smart people; but not if they are climatologists". You can't have it both ways.

The body of evidence directly supporting QM is staggering, and yet physicists continue to probe its basic postulates. By comparison, AGW is based on statistical inference applied to uncertain temperature proxies, evidence of correlations between observed phenomena (not direct proof of causality), and computer models which cannot hope to capture all the dynamical variables which influence climate. The evidence supporting the Theory of AGW is incomparably weaker than the evidence girding QM, and yet physicists are far more curious and engaged exploring the limits of the latter.
You have no idea if this is true or not, you're just making an assumption that the evidence in support of Climate Change is uncertain and that the scientists are still not studying it. Undoubtedly, it's based on the same arguments that Randy depends on, which have consistently shown to be bullshit.

No physicist becomes angry if you do not believe Quantum Mechanics. It's quite natural to be agasp. They can show you a breathtaking panorama of experiments which will turn intuition upside down. And still they will invite you to question its fundamental notions.
And the same would be true with climatologists as well if you were to question Climate Change in an honest manner. Any scientist, regardless of discipline, would be open to questions. But if someone tries to tear down your work by presenting lies and half truths (which Dr. Ball has demonstrated to do) then don't try to tell me that you wouldn't be more than a little offended, even physicists would be so. Additionally, Ann Coulter is making an argument on an inference that the people sending hate mail to Dr. Ball (assuming that this is even true, because she's a fountain of unbiased facts, right?) and that the people in the government ministry (more likely, civil servants) are climatologists, when, in fact, there is no evidence to suggest this. It's just an assumption that needed in order for her point to be made.
 

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Umm - You might not have noticed I prefaced it with 'satire' . You should pay more attention boy!
Umm - maybe you haven't noticed that it still doesn't change the fact that she's using her ridicule as a method of formulating her "Gore/hypocrite" argument. You were still posting it in order, as is your custom, to rehash old arguments. You should work on your reading skills 'boy'.

My argument remains that it's still not proven. There are all kinds of arguments both for and against global warming actually happening. Both sides are replete with qualified scientists claims & counterclaims.
No. Your argument is based on evidence that's consistently been shown to be comprised of little more than lies, half truths or irrational thought. Or bullshit, in other words. You, in fact, have practically no credible evidence supporting your point.

How about we make a wager - I say that next year will be colder than this year and you say not so?
That' sad, man. And I never said that, anyways. Additionally, you're wager would be based on an incorrect understanding of the Climate Change model as it's predictions are based on trends over a period of time, not on a year to year basis, as already mentioned. But, if you truly want to go that route, then make it 20 years from now, and I will take that bet.

The analogy is like seeing your family doctor who tells you that you need to cut down on sodium in your diet, quit smoking and exercise regularly, otherwise, you are more likely to have high blood pressure 20 years down the road. If you asked him to make the same bet that you just asked me, s/he would say no as there would likely be year to year variations that s/he cannot predict. But even if there were fluctuations, if one steps back, the overall trend would be that toward an increase over the first year of measurement.
 

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This is the key observation. Climate change involves both winners and losers.

It's not at all obvious that human beings will overall be worse off. Consider that our species evolved in a hot African climate. We naturally prefer warmer climates. People flock to vacation in places like Hawaii, California, Florida, Hawaii, Aruba, Brazil, etc. The two geographically largest countries in the world, Russia and Canada are sparsely populated because they are cold.
Russia is sparsely populated in Siberia because of it's government, the fact that Siberia is mostly muskeg like Alaska and the lack of transportation. Canada is underpopulated because of our government and the choice of most Canadians to not maintain replacement levels of children.

Are you saying that a priori, warmer climates must be more challenging for humanity? Is Winter so much more forgiving than Spring and Summer? Are deep Northern climates so much milder and preferable to tropical and subtropical ones? The bitter Russian winter is an enemy worse than any European army.
Take a look at the per capita wealth of people on this planet. Where are the rich people? Show me the Tropical country in the top 30.
http://www.finfacts.com/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm

COUNTRY_NAME 2004 2005 RANK
2005

Luxembourg 56380 65630 1
Norway 51810 59590 2
Switzerland 49600 54930 3
Denmark 40750 47390 4
Iceland 37920 46320 5
United States 41440 43740 6
Sweden 35840 41060 7
Ireland 34310 40150 8
Japan 37050 38980 9
United Kingdom 33630 37600 10
Finland 32880 37460 11
Austria 32280 36980 12
High income: OECD 33547 36715 13
Netherlands 32130 36620 14
Belgium 31280 35700 15
High income 32132 35131 16
France 30370 34810 17
Germany 30690 34580 18
Canada 28310 32600 19
Australia 27070 32220 20
European Monetary Union 27921 31914 21
Italy 26280 30010 22
Hong Kong, China 27130 27670 23
Singapore 24740 27490 24
New Zealand 19550 25960 25
Spain 21530 25360 26
Greece 16730 19670 27
Israel 17360 18620 28
High income: nonOECD 16341 17656 29
Slovenia 14820 17350 30

Bangladesh has 133 million people, in a country a quarter the size of Alberta. Warmer climates on the whole support significantly larger populations. In general, it is far more difficult for people to survive in cold climates than warm ones. It takes more industry, more infrastructure, greater technology.
Bangladesh is a great example of the adverse effects of Global Warming.

The country is 7% water, that is, 7% of the country is river, lake or tidal flat. A minor rise in mean sea level would put an additional 10% of the country under water.

The country is almost entirely in the rain shadow of the mountains to the north and is subject to annual monsoons and cyclones.

While the Ganges river delta is incredibly fertile, Bangladesh cannot feed itself and is subject to the political influence and desires of the nations that send it food.

You say that it's easier to live in hot/warm climates. Bangladesh is the object example of the falsity of that statement. A farmer in Bangladesh cannot feed their self and their family. Contrast that to an American/Canadian farmer who not only grows enough for them selves, but also feeds hundreds of others. A farmer in Bangladesh is fortunate if the weather doesn't destroy their crop. An American/Canadian farmer cries if 10% of their crop is destroyed by weather.

An increase in the mean Global Temperature of 2 degrees is going to make the average American/Canadian farmer even more productive. In Bangladesh, that increase will result in even less food being grown because the resulting rain will wash away even the crops in the highlands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh

"Economy

Main article: Economy of Bangladesh

Despite sustained domestic and international efforts to improve economic and demographic prospects, Bangladesh remains an underdeveloped and overpopulated nation. The per capita income in 2004 was a low US$440, and many other economic indicators were less than impressive.[22] Yet, as the World Bank notes in its July 2005 Country Brief, the country has made impressive progress in human development by focusing on increasing literacy, achieving gender parity in schooling, and reducing population growth."
 

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she's using her ridicule as a method of formulating her "Gore/hypocrite" argument. You were still posting it in order, as is your custom, to rehash old arguments.
Maybe its got something to do wth the fact Gore is a hypocrite, and also an idiot?

And you're not rehashing old arguments? :rolleyes:
 

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You, in fact, have practically no credible evidence supporting your point.
For every bit of evidence you have been able to put forward there has been a counter point somewhere in this thread. Just because you think you're smart does not mean everyone else is stupid.

That' sad, man. And I never said that, anyways. Additionally, you're wager would be based on an incorrect understanding of the Climate Change model as it's predictions are based on trends over a period of time, not on a year to year basis, as already mentioned.
Sad indeed. If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months? As little as 25 years ago there was "scientific" evidence we're heading for another ice age. So you are quite right, the period of time being used by current 'science' is woefully inadequate. Sort of proves how silly your argument is doesn't it? 20 years from now 'science' will no doubt be going back in the opposite direction.
 
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Russia is sparsely populated in Siberia because of it's government, the fact that Siberia is mostly muskeg like Alaska and the lack of transportation. Canada is underpopulated because of our government and the choice of most Canadians to not maintain replacement levels of children.
If the carrying capacity of Canada and Russia were higher, they would have greater populations.


Take a look at the per capita wealth of people on this planet. Where are the rich people? Show me the Tropical country in the top 30.
Here you have entirely missed the point. You're comparing the material comfort of a single individual surrounded by technological comforts (ie protected from the natural environment), to the actual carrying capacity of the environment. You need greater technology and industry to survive in colder climates. Otherwise you will freeze to death or starve to death when frost strikes. You have to have clothing, you must be able to build habitable dwellings.

Travelling in Samoa, I realized that the people did not need clothing or walls. It simply never got cold, there was abundant food, it's no wonder they were technologically primitive.

As a biological species, we thrive in warm climates. As masters of industrial technology and builders of large scale institutions, we are better off facing challenges.

While the Ganges river delta is incredibly fertile, Bangladesh cannot feed itself and is subject to the political influence and desires of the nations that send it food.
According to the CIA World Factbook, Bangladesh has 147M people, over four times the population of all of Canada. The country is 144K square km, giving Bangladesh a population density of 1K persons per square km.

It is one of the most overpopulated countries on Earth. It is also technologically backwards and impoverished. So, yes, it is obviously easier for humans to survive and breed in Bangladesh than, say, Alaska. Extreme overpopulation is not the result of a climate which is hostile to a species, rather it is entirely the opposite. The climate is so hospitable to human life, that the population has exploded beyond it's considerable carrying capacity.

Canada has 33M people, occupying a country of almost 10M sq km, giving it a population density of 3 persons per sq km. In other words, Bangladesh has 300 times the population density of Canada.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html#People

You say that it's easier to live in hot/warm climates. Bangladesh is the object example of the falsity of that statement. A farmer in Bangladesh cannot feed their self and their family. Contrast that to an American/Canadian farmer who not only grows enough for them selves, but also feeds hundreds of others.
This argument is completely specious. Canada and America are among the most technologically advanced nations in the world. Bangladesh is an extremely impoverished Third World nation with poor infrastructure. The higher yields of American farmers has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with technology, wealth, machinery, and infrastructure.

4.57% of Canada is arable land, compared to 55% for Bangladesh. If the climate and geography of Bangladesh were to suddenly morph into Nordic conditions, no amount of food aid would prevent the famine which would ensue. If Canada had 10 billion people, and the same level of economic and technological development as Bangladesh, you would not be a happy camper.

Compare apples to apples. What's the population density in the Himalayas? What parts of India are most overpopulated, the coldest parts or the warmer, wetter parts?

An increase in the mean Global Temperature of 2 degrees is going to make the average American/Canadian farmer even more productive. In Bangladesh, that increase will result in even less food being grown because the resulting rain will wash away even the crops in the highlands.
Again, this is a question of inadequate infrastructure, such as flood control and waterways.

Colder climates are more challenging for human beings by nature, as well as for most other animal species. The density of life drops off with the temperature and solar flux density, until it reaches almost complete desolation such as the Antarctic. During interglacial warm periods, habitability and carrying capacity of the Earth rises as it warms out of Ice Age.

Europe is now much warmer than it was during the Dark Ages, warmer than it was during the "Little Ice Age" which brought plagues and famine. Having survived more challenging conditions, our Northern civilizations have the happy coincidence of much more advanced technology, strong economic institutions, and low population densities. This provides us with an extraordinary quality of life, but to take this to mean that colder climates are more habitable for human beings is wrong.
 
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Yet another interesting viewpoint:

Global warming on trial

"Humans don’t cause global warming, a jury of sixth graders at Trail Ridge Middle School concluded Thursday after hearing opposing arguments from their peers."

http://www.longmontfyi.com/Local-Story.asp?ID=15357

I am surprised Al Gore didn't fly his private jet out there and beat the crap outta those kids.
 

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O0O1I00&show_article=1

"The planet has a fever," Gore said. "If your baby has a fever, you go to the doctor. If the doctor says you need to intervene here, you don't say, `Well, I read a science fiction novel that told me it's not a problem.' If the crib's on fire, you don't speculate that the baby is flame retardant. You take action."

This man is a blithering idiot. I do not know how all those Congressmen could sit there and listen to that nonsense without laughing in his face. You just can't make this stuff up.


The planet has a fever :eek:
The cribs on fire. :rolleyes:
 

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Former Vice President Al Gore refused to take a “Personal Energy Ethics Pledge” today to consume no more energy than the average American household. The pledge was presented to Gore by Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) Ranking Member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, during today’s global warming hearing.

Senator Inhofe showed Gore a film frame from “An Inconvenient Truth” where it asks viewers: “Are you ready to change the way you live?”

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=7616011f-802a-23ad-435e-887baa7069ca

WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!
 

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cause like ya see Randy, one of them there accepted/understood principles is somethin bout relatively recent longer-term averages over the entire planet... uhhh, not just some single year (hotter or colder) phenomenon in one region of the globe. Basics Randy... just the basics... trendzzzzzzzzzzz

Exactly - see my post above about this. You can't establish trendzzzzz over the short span of 20 years - its ludicrous! If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months?



BTW, reading a science fiction novel is just as valid as watching a science fiction movie (An Inconvenient Truth).
 

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Here you have entirely missed the point. You're comparing the material comfort of a single individual surrounded by technological comforts (ie protected from the natural environment), to the actual carrying capacity of the environment. You need greater technology and industry to survive in colder climates. Otherwise you will freeze to death or starve to death when frost strikes. You have to have clothing, you must be able to build habitable dwellings.

Travelling in Samoa, I realized that the people did not need clothing or walls. It simply never got cold, there was abundant food, it's no wonder they were technologically primitive.

As a biological species, we thrive in warm climates. As masters of industrial technology and builders of large scale institutions, we are better off challenged.


According to the CIA World Factbook, Bangladesh has 147M people, over four times the population of all of Canada. The country is 144K square km, giving Bangladesh a population density of 1K persons per square km.

It is one of the most overpopulated countries on Earth. It is also technologically backwards and impoverished. So, yes, it is obviously easier for humans to survive and breed in Bangladesh than, say, Alaska. Extreme overpopulation is not the result of a climate which is hostile to a species, rather it is entirely the opposite. The climate is so hospitable to human life, that the population has exploded beyond it's considerable carrying capacity.

Canada has 33M people, occupying a country of almost 10M sq km, giving it a population density of 3 persons per sq km. In other words, Bangladesh has 300 times the population density of Canada.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html#People
Rollerboy, Wealth is all about food production. Those areas that can't have one farmer produce food for 100 people are poor. Those areas that have one farmer producing food for 100 people are rich. It really is that simple.

It is the people that don't have to farm because a farmer can produce food for them that create the technology, create the art, teach the children and make the music.

When a farmer can't produce enough to feed themselves and their family, they produce more children because more labour is needed to ensure the survival of the family.

When a farmer can produce enough to feed themselves and their family, they don't produce more children than is necessary to continue their line.

It really is that simple.
 

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It's really like dealing w/ children who offer such bullshit.


my point : If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months? So why not take up the bet?

I do hope you can git my meaning C-Licker.

I do believe global climates are changing, but whether humans are the primary cause is up for debate. Don't let any liberal leftie tell you otherwise!!
 
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Rollerboy, Wealth is all about food production.
That was true prior to the Industrial Revolution. Now wealth is all about mass production and technology. Even before that, port cities and merchant hubs could generate fabulous wealth.

Singapore and Hong Kong aren't exactly giant breadbaskets.

The South developed an agricultural economy because it was more fertile than the North, which went in the Industrial direction. This later allowed the North to thump the South in the American Civil War.

Those areas that can't have one farmer produce food for 100 people are poor. Those areas that have one farmer producing food for 100 people are rich. It really is that simple.


It is the people that don't have to farm because a farmer can produce food for them that create the technology, create the art, teach the children and make the music.

When a farmer can't produce enough to feed themselves and their family, they produce more children because more labour is needed to ensure the survival of the family.

When a farmer can produce enough to feed themselves and their family, they don't produce more children than is necessary to continue their line.

It really is that simple.
You believe that the agricultural productivity of Canadian and American farmers versus their Third World counterparts is one of superior (and in the case of Canada, colder) climate?

Only 16% of the world's cropland is even irrigated. Excluding China, 52% of the cultivated land in the developing world is farmed using oxen, horses, and other draft animals. Most of the farmers in the Third World are subsistence farmers. They don't have rototillers, tractors, combines and giant processing machines. It takes all day to husk a small bag of rice. With machinery, rice is so cheap we can buy large sacks for a few bucks. Without the use of chemical fertilizers and modern machinery, crop yields in America would plummet. We use nitrogen fertilizers, pesticides, water pumps/sprinklers, crop rotation, homormones, hybridization/cross-breeding, selective breeding, GM, etc. precisely because they increase yields of agricultural products. We have far more advanced agricultural science, and the resources to exploit it.

Where is most of Canada's population located? Near the life sustaining Arctic? The populations of Newfoundland and Labrador, the Yukon and the Northwest Territories each dropped by 5% or more between 1996 and 2001, despite strong overall growth in Canada's population. California is the world's largest agricultural exporter because it's warm and sunny, particularly in the Central Valley. Three of the four most populous states are hot (California, Texas, and Florida), the five least populous are cold (Alaska, Wyoming, Vermont, North & South Dakota).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population
http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/Highlights/Page6/Page6_e.cfm

The Vikings were forced to quit Greenland because it became too cold. It will never support human settlements again unless it warms. The Vikings named it "Greenland" because it was green. Now, it's permafrost. Cold climates by and large possess a lower carrying capacity than warmer ones.

Why is the Greenhouse Effect called "The Greenhouse Effect"? Because Greenhouses trap heat and moisture. They are warm. Why? Because it's easier to grow food! If passive heating is insufficient, Greenhouses are heated to create hothouses. Plants also love carbon dioxide. Almost all of the non-water mass of a plant is synthesized from CO2 extracted from the air.

You've become such a Believer that you cling to an untenable position.
 
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Maybe its got something to do wth the fact Gore is a hypocrite, and also an idiot?

And you're not rehashing old arguments? :rolleyes:
I'm only responding to your continued and repeated use of a retarded form of argumentation despite that the fact that every argument has been refuted, such as this “Gore is a hypocrite; therefore, Global Warming isn't happening”. You clearly fail to grasp the fact that once an argument is shown to be wrong, stating the argument again doesn't make suddenly make it right. Your lack of intellectual capacity to understand even the most basic rules of logic is astounding.

Such as in your responses to myself, OTBn and citylover...

Sad indeed. If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months? As little as 25 years ago there was "scientific" evidence we're heading for another ice age.
Exactly - see my post above about this. You can't establish trendzzzzz over the short span of 20 years - its ludicrous! If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months?
my point : If man made global warming is fact, shouldn't it be easy to say that next year WILL be warmer than this past 12 months?

I do hope you can git my meaning C-Licker.
We've already established that you're wrong on “if Global Warming is true then we should be able to predict temperatures over 12 months” and wrong on using “they were predicting an ice age so they must be wrong now”; but you still throw it out there hoping that no one will notice that you've been soundly and repeatedly rebutted.

Can you 'git' that?

For every bit of evidence you have been able to put forward there has been a counter point somewhere in this thread. Just because you think you're smart does not mean everyone else is stupid.
Practically every point and counterpoint that you've put forth has been shown to be full of shit. If a point or counterpoint is crap, then it's utility as evidence is lost. Again, you fail to understand that basic concept.

And let's be clear, I don't think that I'll all that smart and I never said that everybody else is stupid. I'm just saying that YOU are, of which, we have ample evidence.
 

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Well, beer drinkers around the world can thank Al Gore and the rest of the Global Warming Fearmongers for the upcoming Beer Shortage.

One is happy to be a wine drinker - but for the Beer Fans, Condolences.

The rapid expansion of biofuel production may be welcome news for environmentalists but for the world’s beer drinkers it could be a different story.

Strong demand for biofuel feedstocks such as corn, soyabeans and rapeseed is encouraging farmers to plant these crops instead of grains like barley, driving up prices.

Jean-François van Boxmeer, chief executive of Heineken the Dutch brewer, warned last week that the expansion of the biofuel sector was beginning to cause a “structural shift” in European and US agricultural markets.

One consequence, he said, could be a long-term shift upwards in the price of beer. Barley and hops account for about 7-8 per cent of brewing costs.

Barley, which is used for making beer, whisky and animal feed, has seen prices prices soar over the last 12 months.

Futures prices for European malting barley, which is used for brewing and distilling, have risen 85 per cent to more than €230 ($320) a tonne since last May.

Barley feed futures have risen by a third to C$180 ($155) a tonne on the Winnipeg Commodity Exchange over the same period.

Meanwhile, barley production in America fell to 180.05m bushels in 2006, the lowest level since 1936. The value of the crop was the lowest since 1970 – at $498m.

This decline is partly due to the fall in the land area used for growing barley, which dropped to about 2.95m acres – the lowest since records began in 1866....


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7f533724-c507-11db-b110-000b5df10621.html

First they came for the Beer
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Beer Drinker.
Then they came for the Whiskey
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Whiskey Drinker.
Then they came for the Vodka Martinis
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Vodka Martini Drinker.
Then they came for the Wine
and there was no one left
to speak out for me, the Wine Drinker.

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I'm only responding to your continued and repeated use of a retarded form of argumentation despite that the fact that every argument has been refuted, such as this “Gore is a hypocrite; therefore, Global Warming isn't happening”. You clearly fail to grasp the fact that once an argument is shown to be wrong, stating the argument again doesn't make suddenly make it right. Your lack of intellectual capacity to understand even the most basic rules of logic is astounding.

Such as in your responses to myself, OTBn and citylover...



We've already established that you're wrong on “if Global Warming is true then we should be able to predict temperatures over 12 months” and wrong on using “they were predicting an ice age so they must be wrong now”; but you still throw it out there hoping that no one will notice that you've been soundly and repeatedly rebutted.

Can you 'git' that?

Practically every point and counterpoint that you've put forth has been shown to be full of shit. If a point or counterpoint is crap, then it's utility as evidence is lost. Again, you fail to understand that basic concept.

And let's be clear, I don't think that I'll all that smart and I never said that everybody else is stupid. I'm just saying that YOU are, of which, we have ample evidence.
I call bullshit.

You have established nothing - except for the fact that you and your left leaning comrades are very gullible by accepting the crap spewed by the likes of that hypocrite Gore whose "facts" aren't supported by any science at all. Face it. you can't accept an opposing view. Even the UN has reported disagreement with some of Gore's 'facts'. (Check some of my posts above for details).

Give me a break about any thing OTBn (self masterbat ... er.... self moderator) and C-Licker, have to say. I doubt if they have half a brain between them. You're certainly in good company with those two lefties.

Yes, I believe the Earth is slowly getting warmer (for now). It is constantly changing, and always will change. I believed that before watching Gore's piece of propaganda crap. This "documentary," however, is a load, and deserves a spot in the trash bin right next to that "Bowling for Columbine" bull (which I also sat through, and was even less impressed with).

He created the movie to amp up eco-hysteria and get people to buy up carbon credits from his company. It's a money making tax shelter for Gore, nothing more.


Here's how it works:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/281949,CST-EDT-STEYN04.article
 
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