An Inconvenient Truth

Rod Steel

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They're just always proving us wrong!
http://gmroper.mu.nu/archives/206481.php

Note the scientific graph!

Do you know what I expect as a result of this? First, the alarmists will say that we're lying about their predictions. That's their automatic response. And, later, I honestly expect that those who attend the "Church of Global Warming" will blame man-induced global warming on the decrease in hurricane activity, now that their predictions for an increase failed. They take any and all sides to make their points. To prove our side, we just have to wait two-hundred years to see how false their predictions proved to be and how dishonest they are being now.

The Left likes that. Their solutions to short-term problems get exposed as false very quickly. It can take decades and centuries for their long-term predictions for disasters to be proven wrong. In the meantime, I'm against wasting significant money on this issue, whether paid with taxes or impact on our economy.

Because hurricane destruction was less than predicted in '96, do you think that Al Gore is more glad for mankind or upset for his cause?
 

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you're consistent... at least. You still haven't provided a link, a reference, nee a translation that actually shows a precise 2006 prediction by Gore..... still waiting:

ha! now that's a scientific graph :D
 

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you're consistent... at least. You still haven't provided a link, a reference, nee a translation that actually shows a precise 2006 prediction by Gore..... still waiting:

ha! now that's a scientific graph :D
LMFAO - When more and more people are realizing Gore's slide show is a pile of bullshit you're saying Gore is capable of giving a precise prediction? Give us a break man. Most of the Gore's presentation is bullshit.

Please get it through your skull - Gore didn't have any science!

A top hurricane forecaster from Colorado called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

"He's one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he's doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about," Dr. William Gray said in an interview with The Associated Press at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans, where he delivered the closing speech.

A spokeswoman said Gore was on a flight from Washington, D.C., to Nashville Friday; he did not immediately respond to Gray's comments.

Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University, has long railed against the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

Over the past 24 years, Gray, 77, has become known as America's most reliable hurricane forecaster; recently, his mentee, Philip Klotzbach, has begun doing the bulk of the forecasting work.

Gray's statements came the same day the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved a report that concludes the world will face dire consequences to food and water supplies, along with increased flooding and other dramatic weather events, unless nations adapt to climate change.

Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/weather/11564672/detail.html

ON THE Board Nuisance - I am tired of doing your research for you. Get off your fat ass and look it up yourself next time.
 

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idgit - you're the one saying Gore made the precise 2006 prediction... still waiting..... for that link, reference or translation:
 

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while Rod Steel and the Blow guy dither with false predictions, the real story continues with last Friday’s release of the IPCCs second installment report (of 4 for this year), that collectively will present it’s latest 2007 overall global climate assessment... final installments to follow in May and November.

of course the initial Feb report on the science of climate change, concluded it was at least 90% likely that human activities are principally responsible for the warming observed since 1950.

this latest report, itself a compromise between the IPCC scientists and the intervening politicos, lays out key findings:
• 75-250 million people across Africa could face water shortages by 2020
• Crop yields could increase by 20% in East and Southeast Asia, but decrease by up to 30% in Central and South Asia
• Agriculture fed by rainfall could drop by 50% in some African countries by 2020
• 20-30% of all plant and animal species at increased risk of extinction if temperatures rise between 1.5-2.5C
• Glaciers and snow cover expected to decline, reducing water availability in countries supplied by melt water

The approved (compromise) IPCC WG II Fourth Assessment Report: - http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM6avr07.pdf

The original (unedited, uncompromised) IPCC WG II Fourth Assessment Report: - http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/IPCC4_WG2_SPM_ScientistsFinal.pdf
 

Rod Steel

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Rod, no linkee yet?

is that the same Dr. Gray whose own forecast last year was so far off..... expected 13 to 17 named storms and eight to ten hurricanes in 2006..... but the season produced only ten storms - five of them hurricanes and none above a category three. Why, how precise Gray was, hey? Colorado... which ocean is that near again? :D

Now, to show that you actually didn't read what was previously posted, here's a re-cap for the learning impaired:
(1) Gore did attribute the claim "that global warming is leading to an increased frequency of hurricanes" to "some" scientists... however, he also acknowledged "there is less agreement among scientists about the relationship between the total number of hurricanes each year and global warming." In the update to the Inconvenient Truth, Gore also said: "There is no scientific consensus linking the absolute number of hurricanes to global warming."

(2) Gore did state that it is primarily Hurricane intensities which some scientists largely agree should be expected to increase in association with warming surface temperatures... he specifically noted that there is less agreement among scientists about the relationship between the total number of hurricanes each year and global warming.
 

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BTW - If man is causing Global warming how are fat Al's indulgences going to cure it?
Everyone here is still waiting...waiting....waiting for you to answer Randy's question.

We're still waiting.... :confused:
 

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Exxon a supporter of Carbon Credits?

Oil Companies behind Carbon Credits?

I found this article at another site. I knew Carbon Credits couldn’t be a solution.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17997788/site/newsweek/

“Moreover, actions taken thus far to reduce emissions have already had negative consequences without improving our ability to adapt to climate change. An emphasis on ethanol, for instance, has led to angry protests against corn-price increases in Mexico, and forest clearing and habitat destruction in Southeast Asia. Carbon caps are likely to lead to increased prices, as well as corruption associated with permit trading. (Enron was a leading lobbyist for Kyoto because it had hoped to capitalize on emissions trading.) The alleged solutions have more potential for catastrophe than the putative problem. The conclusion of the late climate scientist Roger Revelle—Al Gore's supposed mentor—is worth pondering: the evidence for global warming thus far doesn't warrant any action unless it is justifiable on grounds that have nothing to do with climate.
Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His research has always been funded exclusively by the U.S. government. He receives no funding from any energy companies.”
I am familiar with Roger Revelle’s work and actually spent some time on the RV Revelle on a naval project.

Revelle is the person who discovered thermo clines which are used by the navy to mask the activities of various vessels.

Revelle is the person who discovered that the oceans won’t take up atmospheric CO2 at the rate that some assume. In 1957, Revelle was already warning that we were conducting an experiment with atmospheric CO2 and that the earth couldn’t take up what we were producing.

http://www.aip.org/history/exhibits/climate/Revelle.htm

“Meanwhile Revelle was studying (as usual with collaborators under an ONR contract) the results of a May 1955 test of a nuclear "depth bomb" that the Navy and AEC had exploded a few thousand feet underwater. His team found that the radioactive residues had spread out in remarkably thin sheets, stretching a hundred square kilometers but only a meter thick. Many years later Revelle recalled his surprise that "the water from one layer doesn't exchange with the water from another layer." It was one more example of how the huge resources of government nuclear programs made novel observational methods and data available for many kinds of research. In a 1955 report using the depth bomb test data, Revelle's group concluded that "radioactive wastes introduced into the upper layer might remain there for many years, and would be diluted by a volume of water only a fiftieth to a hundredth the volume of the ocean."(17) The same would apply to almost anything else introduced into the upper layer — including CO2, a compound for which the Navy and AEC had no interest whatsoever.”

“The draft calculations by the three teams had all addressed mainly the steady-state rates of exchange between atmosphere and ocean. But the crucial question for global warming was a transient effect, the net flux of new CO2 into the water. And as Revelle knew from the carbonate chemistry problems he had been rethinking since the Bikini atoll studies of 1946, sea water is hypersensitive to change. To match an increased level of CO2 in the atmosphere, the number of CO2 molecules in the water would rise only as one factor in a cascading readjustment of the proportions of many types of molecules. In technical terms, sea water is a "buffered" solution, resisting the change in acidity that an increase of carbonates would involve. When some CO2 molecules were absorbed, their presence would alter the balance through a chain of reactions, and in the end some CO2 molecules would be expelled back into the atmosphere. To reach the new equilibrium, Revelle now calculated, the water needed to absorb only about a tenth as much gas as a simple-minded calculation would suppose. While it was true that most of the CO2 molecules added to the atmosphere would wind up in the oceans within a few years, most of these molecules (or others already in the oceans) would promptly be evaporated out.”

“Revelle did not make much of his discovery in this 1957 paper, which described it only in passing and obscurely. His main reason for writing the paper was probably to show that the subject deserved attention. His conclusion pointed to the next step — "An opportunity exists during the International Geophysical Year to obtain much of the necessary information." A historian who looked into the matter judged that "this famous paper was basically a grant proposal." Revelle soon did pull in some of the funds allocated for the International Geophysical Year so that he could pursue CO2 measurements. (See the essay on Money for Keeling.)(30)

Another two years passed before Bert Bolin and Erik Eriksson explained the sea water buffering mechanism in clear terms and emphasized what it meant. Unlike Revelle, they figured industrial production would indeed climb exponentially, and they calculated that atmospheric CO2 would probably rise 25% by the end of the century. Now the small community of geophysicists began to grasp that they could not rely upon the oceans to absorb all the emissions of fossil fuels.(31)”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Bolin

Exxon is calculating that there will be an additional 60% more energy consumed in the near future.

http://exxonmobil.com/corporate/files/corporate/lamp_vol89_no1.pdf

On page 19 there is a piece on injecting CO2 into depleted oil wells, mines and other deep storage. Note that the reason Exxon is interested is that they own many of these potential storage sites.
 

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i hate to admit this...

...but I invented global warming with my incessant rambling. Sorry.

eddie.
 

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some actual solar panel numbers

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38827

15 solar panels generated enough for their own use and a surplus that could be sold to the power utility.

The Latitude and weather at Harrow isn't dissimilar to our own, so a person here should anticipate similar results.
 

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while Rod Steel and the Blow guy dither with false predictions, the real story continues with last Friday’s release of the IPCCs second installment report (of 4 for this year),
You don't really expect them to actually know about the issue, do you? That would require a brain, and the ability to actually use it.

They gotta be Amerikkkans, they so ugly. They living in the 51st Amerikkkan state, Denial, & are as happy as pigs in shit about it.

If Kurt Vonnegut had ever had the displeasure to meet'em, I know he'd a slapped them upside the head

"We're terrible animals, and the planet's immune system is trying to get rid of us."
--- Kurt Vonnegut

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And please while youre at it given the track record on dire predictions in the past why we should believe that this one is going to be any different than say...overpopulation/famine or the impending ice age? At the time they were considered as serious and got similar media attention.
I do believe the challenge (for some... for yourself (?)) is to attempt to separate out the media attention from the message...

some within this thread can't distance themselves from Gore's 'traditional' politics - they make Gore, the focus, the target, the subject... to the detriment of actually looking at the merits of the real subject, the real message... about the problems of climate change.


... in deference to the Billy Pilgrim thread: We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap - Kurt Vonnegut
 

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:D


Yeah, Rod Steelhead & Blowhard/thinksoft must be amerikkans, cause they sure do put the "ugly" in the "ugly amirkkkans" part. I think they're from the 51st state, Denial. It was entered into the union in 2000.


But only the most hidebound ideologues (those concerned about the Greenpeace Black Helicopters taking over the world for a socialist dictatorship) or politicians directly from Big Oil still believe any of this drivel.


Conservative politicians (at least, those like Harper or Newt Gingrich, who don't want to continue to look like complete fools), even business interests (who realize that their bottom line is affected if there are floods, hurricanes, etc.) don't subscribe to the Exxon Disinformation Campaign like these stooges.


But as a public service, I've found a purty picture that sums up their arguments... now they don't have to post anymore, and we can move on to better things. And even if they won't read it, they can at least look at the pics.






(Note this cartoon was published in 2004 & we're still hearing the same drivel from the stooges).
:D
 

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Global warming to increase terrorist activity.

Here's a "convenient" twist to global warming.
Another Halliburton bit of spin to prop up global warming and
keep the paranoia going full tilt?
Oh, and to to get the message out now for support for future
wars?............Maybe? :D

Man what will these bozos think of next? :rolleyes:

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w041508A.xml


............QM'r
 

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r u talking about the blowhards who think Global Warming is this? They don't even read the sites they cite themselves to know what's on them, much less anyone else's!

From http://www.savaspublishing.com/02-25-07.html
"the movement’s socialist underpinnings of redistributing the world’s wealth, ...that atheists and the irreligious proselytize global warming..."

Yeah, those questions have a lot to do with the science that is accepted around the world.

u crackers need to find some actual questions & actual science rather than pinning all your hopes on ideologues who keep dithering about he socialist dictatorship that environmentalists want to foster on the world. This blogger they revere even complains about his city instituting a recycling program http://www.savaspublishing.com/07-16-03.html

I guess those black helicopters all got painted green!

All his silly questions have already been answered on this thread, not to mention the actual science these bozos reject.

Bring on more, Exxon Boy.


Maybe they can try to actually read this

 
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