USA Political Discussion Thread 2025

GentlemanJack69

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I have a Trump flag and hat, I contributed $5k to his campaign and I flipped his crypto for an $11k profit.I don’t give a hoot if he sells pillows, I just want him to keep his promises. Obviously people are buying those products! You don’t understand, I am sick of my tax dollars getting spent elsewhere when they can be used to address America’s problems. Look at the comments written on this forum. Granted most are written by people that probably live check to check and do not understand fundamentals of currency, but they do not acknowledge how American tax dollars help support their way of life. Look at Panama, the idiot President must have forgotten about Manuel Noriega. My favorite is Mexico, the Mexican government allows aliens and drugs to flow into the US and then the President of the cartel nation shot off her mouth about the Gulf of America. Google Maps just announced they will change the name. Regardless what is Mexico going to do when MARSOC starts killing drug traffickers, something the Mexican government should have been doing. Look at WHO, the UN and ICC. 2 of the 3 have but cut off and will disappear. Hopefully the UN will as well. Now take NATO, until Trumps last term, only six countries put in 2% of their GDP, now only six do not, Canada is one that does not. American tax dollars almost fully fund those organizations and countries took advantage of it. Why doesn’t Canada support NATO? Because your government takes advantage of its geographical location and it will require billions of dollars. I don’t know where you travel, but I have never once noticed Canadian clothing in other countries. I just returned from Japan, Australia, Thailand, Vietnam and China……not once did I observe a maple leaf.
I agree, tariffs will cause prices to temporarily rise in America, until eggs and lumber are purchased elsewhere, which I hope Trump has already planned. The economy in Europe and Canada are close to a recession, China also isn’t doing very well, its real estate market is in the toilet. Japan floats in and out of a recession and recently recovered from 12 years of stagflation. Japan can’t even support its old people. Mexico will turn to dust without the billions generated from drug trafficking. South America is another mess and just trying to keep its head above water. Every one of those I mentioned will get hammered in a trade war. I’m talking jobs, not inflation and when jobs are lost, it will take years to recover. Justin is not stupid, which is the reason he flew to Florida. Yes, the government in countries that Trump identified as taking advantage of America are fearful, which to me is a great place for Trump to be. Remember business, it’s all about business. People all over the world speak the same language……money. It’s a much better tactic than war!
You make some valid points. When you stop sensationalizing your comments it is much easier to take you seriously.

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico is just a publicity stunt, nobody cares what Americans call it.
I think that you are greatly over simplifying things when you state that American dollars support their / our way of life. It is incredibly complex how international economies interact and the USA has in many cases economically raped and pillaged other countries. Economically, politically and militarily manipulating or outright taking what it wants. It's not a one sided thing at all, but the USA has certainly benefited as much as it's paid.

You are correct in that Canada has not met it's 2% commitment (keep in mind it is a target not a requirement of membership in NATO), simply because putting a lot of money into military spending isn't a priority for us. Correctly you note that the USA has a vested interest in our safety as we share the longest natural border in the world. Practically speaking that's a security risk for the USA. I can understand why Americans would want us to be more militaristic. Lets be real though, Trump isn't interested in us "pulling our fair share",.. as you so astutely point out, it's all about the money. Investment in depreciating military assets that will have to be continuously maintained and prove a drain on the economy in perpetuity. The USA is the single largest weapons manufacturer in the world and stands to profit tremendously with the billions these military spending commitments entail. I personally think that Canada should meet the target by putting the funds into Canadian arms manufacturing and ensure that Trump doesn't benefit but that wouldn't make him happy and he'd likely seek other ways to negatively affect us all.

You see advantage for the USA through Trump. I see advantage to Canada in reaction to Trump. Canada has largely kept our trade and international relationships curtailed to within a scope that the USA finds agreeable. The USA is after all our largest trading partner and our economies are inextricably intertwined. Much of the raw resources that the USA sources from Canada are provided at well below market value. Trump is enough of a bully that I expect we will end up placating him in the short term. What I hope is that it will embolden our citizens and politicians to push for greater efforts at diversifying our trade to other international destinations, over time lessening our reliance on American trade as it will have proven to be disadvantageous to us to have put most of our eggs in one basket.
To your point the USA could source the resources they get from Canada elsewhere, it will simply cost them much more for the resources and transportation of those resources.
You stay the course with a trading partner you respect. You look for other options with a trading partner you fear.

Trump will put many countries through short term pain with his policies... Individually they will all likely suffer more than the USA, but cumulatively the USA more so than any of the others. I am certain that the wealthy will profit and that will be success for Trump but the average American is in for very hard times. The long term effects of Trump won't be felt for many years. I don't have your confidence that it will be positive, but I expect that won't matter since the politicians will simply bald-faced lie about it anyway.

Whether you believe it or not Trump has negatively impacted the reputation of the USA. Many of the people that I personally know have stopped crossing the border to shop. It might be a short term reaction which is resolved when the politicians sort things out.. but I don't think so. I certainly have no intention of going down to the USA anymore. The exchange rate with the American dollar only matters domestically if you want to buy something in USD.

Not a very uplifting conversation.
 

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You make some valid points. When you stop sensationalizing your comments it is much easier to take you seriously.

Renaming the Gulf of Mexico is just a publicity stunt, nobody cares what Americans call it.
I think that you are greatly over simplifying things when you state that American dollars support their / our way of life. It is incredibly complex how international economies interact and the USA has in many cases economically raped and pillaged other countries. Economically, politically and militarily manipulating or outright taking what it wants. It's not a one sided thing at all, but the USA has certainly benefited as much as it's paid.

You are correct in that Canada has not met it's 2% commitment (keep in mind it is a target not a requirement of membership in NATO), simply because putting a lot of money into military spending isn't a priority for us. Correctly you note that the USA has a vested interest in our safety as we share the longest natural border in the world. Practically speaking that's a security risk for the USA. I can understand why Americans would want us to be more militaristic. Lets be real though, Trump isn't interested in us "pulling our fair share",.. as you so astutely point out, it's all about the money. Investment in depreciating military assets that will have to be continuously maintained and prove a drain on the economy in perpetuity. The USA is the single largest weapons manufacturer in the world and stands to profit tremendously with the billions these military spending commitments entail. I personally think that Canada should meet the target by putting the funds into Canadian arms manufacturing and ensure that Trump doesn't benefit but that wouldn't make him happy and he'd likely seek other ways to negatively affect us all.

You see advantage for the USA through Trump. I see advantage to Canada in reaction to Trump. Canada has largely kept our trade and international relationships curtailed to within a scope that the USA finds agreeable. The USA is after all our largest trading partner and our economies are inextricably intertwined. Much of the raw resources that the USA sources from Canada are provided at well below market value. Trump is enough of a bully that I expect we will end up placating him in the short term. What I hope is that it will embolden our citizens and politicians to push for greater efforts at diversifying our trade to other international destinations, over time lessening our reliance on American trade as it will have proven to be disadvantageous to us to have put most of our eggs in one basket.
To your point the USA could source the resources they get from Canada elsewhere, it will simply cost them much more for the resources and transportation of those resources.
You stay the course with a trading partner you respect. You look for other options with a trading partner you fear.

Trump will put many countries through short term pain with his policies... Individually they will all likely suffer more than the USA, but cumulatively the USA more so than any of the others. I am certain that the wealthy will profit and that will be success for Trump but the average American is in for very hard times. The long term effects of Trump won't be felt for many years. I don't have your confidence that it will be positive, but I expect that won't matter since the politicians will simply bald-faced lie about it anyway.

Whether you believe it or not Trump has negatively impacted the reputation of the USA. Many of the people that I personally know have stopped crossing the border to shop. It might be a short term reaction which is resolved when the politicians sort things out.. but I don't think so. I certainly have no intention of going down to the USA anymore. The exchange rate with the American dollar only matters domestically if you want to buy something in USD.

Not a very uplifting conversation.
I agree with a lot of that. But there is no point in waving a red flag at a bull and encouraging him to charge at you like Freeland and Trudeau are doing. The sensible solution is just to work out a feasible border plan both sides agree with at a much lower cost that is good for both sides.
After all if they increase the enforcement at the southern border, the cartels and human smugglers will just turn to plan B....the Northern border. Last year already showed a significant increase in both drug smuggling and illegal immigration....from approximately 6000 to 19000 and that is before Trump actually took power.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s...l-with-dramatic-increase-in-illegal-crossings

Americans see that trend and are intent on taking action on it before it gets worse. It just makes sense to fix this....not only for the United States but for Canada as well rather than ignore the problem and put up a front of false bravado and insulting rhetoric. I would rather see that than a lot of people put in economic difficulty and lose their jobs in a trade war for basically no reason when a solution was at hand.

Hopefully behind the scenes this is being worked out and the insulting rhetoric is just for show with a pending election as everyone vies to become Captain Canada but I am just not willing to give the Liberals that much credit for political savvy. They have hurt us enough over the last 9 years. I will be happy to be wrong.

And I think the lower cross border traffic has more to do with the low value of the Canadian dollar rather than political revenge.
 

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So for all those that saud there would be no federal abortion ban, states rights, blah blah blah, ..hr. 722 has just been put forward.
 

carvesg

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So for all those that saud there would be no federal abortion ban, states rights, blah blah blah, ..hr. 722 has just been put forward.
Those idiots after denying along the campaign that they would never introduce that national abortion ban amendment .

But unless my math skills are failing they are far from the 2/3 majority on both chambers and 3/4 of the states to get the constitution amended.

Did i hear that another moron submitted a change from 2 terms maximum to 3 terms maximum for a seating president ? I gotta look it up and see who would be that stupid.

I heard a change from Dulle airport to Donald trump and a push to extend Mount Rushmore with a carving of the scammer in Chief. Mind boggling.
 
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carvesg

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The Gulf of America is covered in snow and ice ....since the trump worshipper believe fo much in faith ...it must be a " bad omen ".

Time to change it back to it's rightful name the Gulf of Mexico so that the snow and ice doesn't become an annual thing .

Not that the 194 out 195 would ever proceed with a name change to satisfy the kid's tantrum.
 

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GentlemanJack69

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I agree with a lot of that. But there is no point in waving a red flag at a bull and encouraging him to charge at you like Freeland and Trudeau are doing. The sensible solution is just to work out a feasible border plan both sides agree with at a much lower cost that is good for both sides.
After all if they increase the enforcement at the southern border, the cartels and human smugglers will just turn to plan B....the Northern border. Last year already showed a significant increase in both drug smuggling and illegal immigration....from approximately 6000 to 19000 and that is before Trump actually took power.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s...l-with-dramatic-increase-in-illegal-crossings

Americans see that trend and are intent on taking action on it before it gets worse. It just makes sense to fix this....not only for the United States but for Canada as well rather than ignore the problem and put up a front of false bravado and insulting rhetoric. I would rather see that than a lot of people put in economic difficulty and lose their jobs in a trade war for basically no reason when a solution was at hand.

Hopefully behind the scenes this is being worked out and the insulting rhetoric is just for show with a pending election as everyone vies to become Captain Canada but I am just not willing to give the Liberals that much credit for political savvy. They have hurt us enough over the last 9 years. I will be happy to be wrong.

And I think the lower cross border traffic has more to do with the low value of the Canadian dollar rather than political revenge.
Agree with the tone of your argument, if not all the particulars. I don't disagree with stronger borders,.. and i hope that things get worked out politically. If we could build stronger economic ties, benefiting both our countries, we could afford to address any concerns as part of the overall agreement. I just don't think that Trump's goal is as altruistic as has been posited by his supporters. I'm pretty sure that whatever he is doing it is for selfish reasons. I'm honest enough to admit that could just be because I intensely dislike the man, and intellectually am prejudiced by the ample evidence that he is a self-interested con man who lacks moral fiber. Still. I don't think I'm wrong, and I'm worried that whatever agreements we make will simply benefit Trump and maybe the USA with very little benefit to Canada. Glad I'm not a politician.
 
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80watts

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It's not luck. It's a good work ethic, the ability to budget, and the the fortitude to recognize that you aren't entitled to anything -- you have to work for it, and budget for it, and make compromises to get ahead.
The problem with applying average data in such broad strokes is that the average is not reality. If you want to buy a freehold home in the lower mainland as your first home you better have the number that you're quoting from RBC. Otherwise you buckle down and purchase the home you can afford not the home you want. Start with a condo or townhouse.. move further out from the city. Homes are less expensive depending on the area you purchase in, and buying the one bedroom condo to start, instead of the freehold home is certainly more affordable. Work for what you want. Make compromises. Purchase with a friend, rent out a room, kudos if you have a basement suite. Take a good hard look at the numbers and understand that you can't have everything you want... and decide what's important to you. Put your money where it matters.

I am not "fortunate" or "lucky". Neither are my kids. I didn't inherit any money, I didn't win the lottery. I didn't give my kids money, and they didn't win the lottery. If something isn't in my budget I don't buy it. I taught my kids to be fiscally responsible.

I don't know your personal situation, but I've worked in the financial services industry giving people financial advice for about 30 years now... I have a pretty good idea how many people think and it's unfortunate that many feel entitled to more than they can afford. If you're carrying a balance on your credit card, or are carrying debt that didn't purchase an asset or move you forward in your personal goals, you're being foolish, and there are many many foolish people out there. Buckle down, cut back on the things that you don't need and eliminate any debt you carry.

Is your cell phone plane necessary? Do you really need the number of cars you own?. Do you really need to go to Starbucks or any other ridiculously overpriced beverage outlet? Take a good hard look at how people make their financial decisions and try to tell me that "for whatever reason the are struggling to get by". There are definitely people out there in need. I volunteer at the food bank, I'm quite aware of need.
Most people aren't "in need" they're "in want".

So yes,... I Still disagree with you. Yes, we have problems.. but we're still doing pretty good.
Oh my gosh.... This is the reason the housing market is so expensive these days. The flipping of houses, an up ward climb of inflation... Its not the average middle class person who is making this spiral by upgrading, its the greedy bastards who flip and flip and flip houses and real estate to make their money. Unfortuneately this problem started in the 1980s.

Seriously though, most people are like that (hard working), but it takes 2 people working in a family to afford a house, even in the 1990s. Speculation of house prices, market materials and labour an endless spiral for families.

You might be doing well, but about 50%-60% of all Canadian are not. The people doing well as a family in the range of 120,000.00 and up. Every body else is struggling, especially if they have kids, school, secondary school or medical issues.

If you are playing by the rules. The more money you make, the more taxes you pay and that can make a big divot on what you can afford. So people are working under the table, or criminal lines of work.

People having mortgages pay 2-3 times the price of the original mortgage before they pay off their mortgage. So banks are part of the problem.

Most people have investments. Mutual funds. Most mutual funds have a 2% management fee every year. Over 5 years that is 10% of your money gone.....Most people won't realize this as they are putting it away by the month, so the money they put in pushes the fund up. Those mutual funds will start to crash as people pull the money out. In the next 5 -15 years those funds will be in serious trouble because the retirees are withdrawing....

In society you need the workers to keep it all together. Fireman, police, hospitals, maintenance workers. Not everybody can go chase after those big paying jobs. While the people who gouge the rest of the population of money (through scams or legitimate means), are only increasing the chaos of that system....
 

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Last I heard we had 3 oil refineries in Canada: New Brunswick (Irving), one in Ontario, one in Alberta. The small Chevron one in Burnaby was closed down years ago.

All together, not nearly enough capacity to call ourselves self-sufficient.
There are far more than just 3.

The Parkland refinery in Burnaby is still operating, but it is not a very big one by global standards. There was once another in the Port Moody / Ioco area but that closed.
It's a fallacy that the TMX pipeline was designed to make Canadian (BC) fuel supplies cheaper. The expansion of the pipeline was entirely for export out of Canada to foreign producers.
One brinch of it does go into Washington State and feed the refineries at Cherry point, and they do send some refined fuel up here to the Lower Mainland. But the previous Trans Mountain pipeline already did all that, so keep in mind the expanded pipeline and the new oil (bitumen) terminal at the end of it is really just for exports.

Now if they were to rip down that other old refinery site in Ioco and build a new modern refinery there, then you might see it change Lower Mainland fuel supplies, but that was never the oil companies' intention with their projects, nor any of their pet politicians like Harper, Pollievre, Rustad, etc. They only cared about exports, mainly to the USA for the USA's needs.
 

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Chickens are thoughtful. They obviously have concerns about bringing children into such a chaotic world.

"Harvesting eggs is just chicken abortions! No more chicken abortions ! Enact new laws where all hens' eggs must be fertilized and they must hatch a full brood of chicks."

Now the fun part is where you try to guess whether this ideology is coming from PETA or Project 2025. o_O
 
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