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You certainly have a high opinion of Vance. Not sure why you think it's warranted. Never going to click on a link in the Forum.. especially not one from X which is notorious for allowing utter fabrications and idiocy to be told as truth. For sure Harris wouldn't have as much ammunition against him as Trump whose blatant moronic lies are like hitting the broad side of a large orange barn, but really Vance hasn't done anything significant other than agree to say whatever the Trump wants him to. Harris schooled Trump, and Vance is a small bit player who is nothing without Trump. Kind of looks like one of Trump's kids, maybe that's why he got picked. Certainly wasn't any real qualifications.
Vance is only there so that his powerful supporters can have in place to go Article 25 on Trump. Once Vance and the billionaires take over, it is over for the common man, courtesy of the American electoral college.
 
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During Covid, it was Harris and Biden and Dems who shut down small businesses. The Republicans wanted them to have a chance and open and survive. So the next time you see Harris claims she loves small business and its the backbone of America just say F off bitch.
The democrat Governor of WA Jay Inslee fired State workers who refused the jab. You think they really have your democracy and freedom in mind?
This thread is full of so much shit, I am constantly amazed at how low that common denominator is. But this post, besides being troll bait is so full of that shit I have to wonder why it didn't show up in a brown font.
 

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Annual flu shot yesterday. Donating blood today. Covid booster in a couple of weeks. Will mask up around vulnerable types. Got nothing to do with "democracy" or lack thete of.

Works for me

and that's fine, you chose that

but your comment is lacking

democracy doesn't include forcing someone to have to get those shots, mask up or even give blood

I have no interest in wearing a mask just to placate to the irrational emotional cripples in our society

in a hospital in an area where extremely vulnerable people are, sure

plus it didn't work for covid, did it crush it? 1 mask, 2, 3?

it didn't make any difference whatsoever

there was a reason why masks weren't a thing pre 2020, cause the science was never there to recommend them

just like after the covid shot was not preventing people from getting it or passing it on

the bullshit of forcing others to take it should have been dropped, it wasn't

you think that's democracy? more like a lack there of


so you chose, allow others to choose for themselves too



THAT'S DEMOCRACY
 
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and that's fine, you chose that

but your comment is lacking

democracy doesn't include forcing someone to have to get those shots, mask up or even give blood

I have no interest in wearing a mask just to placate to the irrational emotional cripples in our society

in a hospital in an area where extremely vulnerable people are, sure

plus it didn't work for covid, did it crush it? 1 mask, 2, 3?

it didn't make any difference whatsoever

there was a reason why masks weren't a thing pre 2020, cause the science was never there to recommend them

just like after the covid shot was not preventing people from getting it or passing it on

the bullshit of forcing others to take it should have been dropped, it wasn't

you think that's democracy? more like a lack there of


so you chose, allow others to choose for themselves too



THAT'S DEMOCRACY
Nobody was forced to. You just sound silly. Also, democracy just means that you are able to vote. It doesn't really mean much of anything else.
 

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Things to Watch In The Upcoming Supreme Court Term

Court-packing, or adding more justices to the court, polled relatively low with just 3 in 10 Americans supporting such a proposal.
Besides court-packing and term limits, a binding ethics code has been floated...
Whatever passes could come before the Supreme Court itself. The court already implemented its own code of ethics in 2023 but faced criticism for not including an effective enforcement mechanism.
Imposing term limits would likely require an amendment to the Constitution.

So far, the court has said it will take at least one major firearm-related case called Garland v. VanDerStok, which surrounds the government’s attempt to regulate so-called “ghost guns.”
The solicitor general’s brief expressed particular concern about how guns constructed from these parts were able to evade law enforcement protection because they didn’t follow the Act’s requirements, including providing serial numbers.
It could also take up a challenge to Maryland’s “assault weapons ban,” which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit upheld as not violating the Second Amendment.
Supreme Court also agreed to take up the Mexican government’s claims that U.S. gun companies have engaged in business practices, such as failing to impose sales restrictions, that benefitted cartels in Mexico.

Youth public health is coming up in two other major cases—one involving the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) refusal to approve flavored e-cigarette products and another challenging Texas’ law requiring age verification on pornographic sites.
Nearly 20 states have passed laws requiring age verification for pornographic platforms. The Supreme Court’s decision could change how lower courts evaluate First Amendment, [free speech] challenges...

...stronger and stronger desire by the Supreme Court to instruct every other part of government to stay in its lane,”
Chevron doctrine, is an administrative law principle that compelled federal courts to defer to a federal agency's interpretation of an ambiguous or unclear statute that Congress delegated to the agency to administer.

...administration is challenging Tennessee’s ban on gender transition procedures for minors. . The administration contends that Tennessee’s ban is a form of discrimination that violates the equal protection clause.
Title IX protects people from discrimination based on sex in education programs or activities that receive federal financial assistance.
...women to compete with men in athletics and share spaces like locker rooms with them.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/6-things-to-watch-in-the-upcoming-supreme-court-term-5734802
 

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This thread is full of so much shit, I am constantly amazed at how low that common denominator is. But this post, besides being troll bait is so full of that shit I have to wonder why it didn't show up in a brown font.
I fixed it for you.

During Covid, it was Harris and Biden and Dems who shut down small businesses. The Republicans wanted them to have a chance and open and survive. So the next time you see Harris claims she loves small business and its the backbone of America just say F off bitch.
The democrat Governor of WA Jay Inslee fired State workers who refused the jab. You think they really have your democracy and freedom in mind?
 

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I fixed it for you.

During Covid, it was Harris and Biden and Dems who shut down small businesses. The Republicans wanted them to have a chance and open and survive. So the next time you see Harris claims she loves small business and its the backbone of America just say F off bitch.
The democrat Governor of WA Jay Inslee fired State workers who refused the jab. You think they really have your democracy and freedom in mind?
Except that you still can't list anything they ever did to close any small businesses, and you ignore that the bulk of the pandemic and small business closures came under Trump's presidency term.

It doesn't get any less stupid, just by repeating it more.
 

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Except that you still can't list anything they ever did to close any small businesses, and you ignore that the bulk of the pandemic and small business closures came under Trump's presidency term.

It doesn't get any less stupid, just by repeating it more.
I think it didn’t show up that well but he changed the font to brown
 

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...lymarket-as-musk-touts-election-betting-site/

Start weeping Dems, you installed Harris too soon. Should have waited till the very last minute to install Harris. Her mojo, honeymoon is well over. Now she is trying to bail herself out by talking with numerous gossip and experts like you know, going on the View. Yeah, I feel some tough questions coming.

The Lounger is going to blow up in month. And my cigars are ready.
 

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...lymarket-as-musk-touts-election-betting-site/

Start weeping Dems, you installed Harris too soon. Should have waited till the very last minute to install Harris. Her mojo, honeymoon is well over. Now she is trying to bail herself out by talking with numerous gossip and experts like you know, going on the View. Yeah, I feel some tough questions coming.

The Lounger is going to blow up in month. And my cigars are ready.

Thoughts and prayers.
 

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and that's fine, you chose that

but your comment is lacking

democracy doesn't include forcing someone to have to get those shots, mask up or even give blood

I have no interest in wearing a mask just to placate to the irrational emotional cripples in our society

in a hospital in an area where extremely vulnerable people are, sure

plus it didn't work for covid, did it crush it? 1 mask, 2, 3?

it didn't make any difference whatsoever

there was a reason why masks weren't a thing pre 2020, cause the science was never there to recommend them

just like after the covid shot was not preventing people from getting it or passing it on

the bullshit of forcing others to take it should have been dropped, it wasn't

you think that's democracy? more like a lack there of


so you chose, allow others to choose for themselves too

THAT'S DEMOCRACY
you're delusional... in your world there is some conspiracy going on. it involves thousands of universities and private and public medical research institutions. it involves, hundreds of thousands of doctors, nurses, health care professionals and researchers. it involves thousands of health administrative offices. it involves hundreds of government health ministries and global health organizations. millions of people pushing the scandal. and they all know about it. and they do it by special looks of the eyes or winks because there have been no whistle blowers with documented evidence of the massive necessary communications to manage such a humongous scandal.

but you've figured it out. with your degree in medicine? your degree in... some kind of science? or is it all of science that is in on the scandal? like the global warming scandal? no... you have no higher learning in any of the sciences. and yet you believe you are "logical". you heard it from somebody on the internet. or some talking head on Fox News who implied something but was purposely vague about the details. it fits your hard on for anti authoritisim... thats all your belief system needs!

we do have democracy. we can choose. and those who run businesses decided that they didn't want their enterprise to be the source of the next super spreader event that made customers and their own employees sick. so they mandated something. like they mandate that you can read and write before you can work there. or that you don't steal stuff while working there. stuff like that. and assholes cried that it was their god given right to work at your establishment! that their freedoms were being taken away. well, anyone can see whose freedoms are being taken away. its the freedom of the business owner to chose who they employ. and they chose to not employ people who are a danger to their business. same story for government, hospitals etc...

there has been a resurgence in disease that humans thought we irradicated because people spread such bullshit. our children never have to imagine chick pox, measles, rubella, diptheria, tetanus, polio, hepatitus, mumps to name a few... because of vaccines! what dumb fucks don't get their children immunized? these vaccines have been working for over a generation. but the covid vaccine? somehow thats different?

masks were a thing pre 2020. they've been a thing for a hundred years.

your propositions are moronic. you just make shit up.
 

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and that's fine, you chose that

but your comment is lacking

democracy doesn't include forcing someone to have to get those shots, mask up or even give blood

I have no interest in wearing a mask just to placate to the irrational emotional cripples in our society

in a hospital in an area where extremely vulnerable people are, sure

plus it didn't work for covid, did it crush it? 1 mask, 2, 3?

it didn't make any difference whatsoever

there was a reason why masks weren't a thing pre 2020, cause the science was never there to recommend them

just like after the covid shot was not preventing people from getting it or passing it on

the bullshit of forcing others to take it should have been dropped, it wasn't

you think that's democracy? more like a lack there of


so you chose, allow others to choose for themselves too



THAT'S DEMOCRACY
You're right democracy doesn't force someone to mask up, give blood or even give blood.. Societal mores dictate that. The same mores that say that murder, theft and other things detrimental to society have consequences. If you don't want to mask up, then we don't need to employ you, serve you or otherwise put up with your stupidity.

It worked for plenty of countries.. just not the Americans who didn't implement it efficiently enough because some of them see conspiracy theories behind every tree and bush.

Masks were a thing pre 2020... just not in the USA... because again with the conspiracy nuts and anti-vaxxers and other idiots.

The point of the covid shot is not to prevent people from getting it or passing it on, the point is to ameliorate the effects so that the symptoms are reduced and people don't die from it.

That's absolutely democracy. You follow the dictates of your democratically elected leaders.... except you don't.. you think you know better than the experts and posit that it's not "democracy" if you can't have things your way. That's not democracy that's anarchy.

You can choose for yourself... but you also have to face the consequences of your choices. If you don't wear a mask, we can choose our safety and not employ you or serve you. If you don't get vaccinated and carry the virus to others who are vulnerable, you may have chosen to infect them and potentially kill them as hundreds of thousands of Americans died from Covid. Ever wonder who passed it to them? Or if they believed the BS and didn't vaccinate?

THAT''S MORALITY
 

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You're right democracy doesn't force someone to mask up, give blood or even give blood.. Societal mores dictate that. The same mores that say that murder, theft and other things detrimental to society have consequences. If you don't want to mask up, then we don't need to employ you, serve you or otherwise put up with your stupidity.

It worked for plenty of countries.. just not the Americans who didn't implement it efficiently enough because some of them see conspiracy theories behind every tree and bush.

Masks were a thing pre 2020... just not in the USA... because again with the conspiracy nuts and anti-vaxxers and other idiots.

The point of the covid shot is not to prevent people from getting it or passing it on, the point is to ameliorate the effects so that the symptoms are reduced and people don't die from it.

That's absolutely democracy. You follow the dictates of your democratically elected leaders.... except you don't.. you think you know better than the experts and posit that it's not "democracy" if you can't have things your way. That's not democracy that's anarchy.

You can choose for yourself... but you also have to face the consequences of your choices. If you don't wear a mask, we can choose our safety and not employ you or serve you. If you don't get vaccinated and carry the virus to others who are vulnerable, you may have chosen to infect them and potentially kill them as hundreds of thousands of Americans died from Covid. Ever wonder who passed it to them? Or if they believed the BS and didn't vaccinate?

THAT''S MORALITY
masks weren't a thing in the western world

they were in places like Japan, not because of health reasons

they were because of social reasons

so that people who had a cold could still go out in public and not sneeze on people

cause they have different cultural standards

CAUSE ANYONE WITH 2 BRAIN CELLS TO RUB TOGETHER WHO THINKS

THEY ARE INFECTIOUS WOULD STAY HOME AND NOT EVEN GO OUT INTO PUBLIC WITH A MASK ON

JUST LIKE PRE 2020 IN THE WEST NO ONE DID

THEY WERE OUT THERE COUGHING/SNEEZING, SPITTING, SPEWING GERMS

just like they are doing again

just like they did every flu season, when virtually no one

no one got the shot, go back and look at the levels of it, it was never high enough to speak of



YOU ARE TALKING LIKE AN IRRATIONAL EMOTIONAL CRIPPLE

PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY, FROM LOTS OF THINGS YOU AND OTHERS POTENTIALLY COULD PREVENT

YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO STOP THAT (GO LOOK AT THE TOP THINGS THAT KILL AROUND THE WORLD, YEARLY, DECADE AFTER DECADE, NOT FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS, FUCKEM!!)

WHY?

CAUSE YOU DON'T CARE ENOUGH, PEOPLE DON'T CARE, UNTIL THEY THINK THEY GOT A CHANCE OF GETTING IT, EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY

LIKE IN 2020, TELL YOU, FALSELY, THAT YOU HAD A CHANCE OF DYING

FEAR, THAT'S WHY, NOT RATIONAL THINKING

SARS, DID YOU START WEARING A MASK DURING SARS? NO, NO ONE DID, WHY, IT WAS FAR MORE DEADLY THAN COVID 19

YOU WEREN'T SCARED INTO IT, FORCED INTO IT



THE NUT JOBS CONSPIRATORY THEORISTS ARE STILL FEW

SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT COVID ANY LONGER?

CAUSE THEY FINALLY CAUGHT ON TO THE BULLSHIT


JASON KENNEY STOOD IN THE AB LEG IN 2020, SAID WHAT WAS AND IS STILL THE TRUTH

ONLY OLD SICK PEOPLE, SICK PEOPLE HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, JUST LIKE THE FLU, SAME THING

LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SEND THEIR SICK KIDS TO DAYCARE/SCHOOL/ACTIVITIES DAILY

IT'S IRRATIONAL TO THINK YOU CAN SAVE EVERYONE

MORE IMPORTANT

IT'S COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL

TO THINK YOU CAN MAKE EVERYONE ELSE PUT THEIR LIVES ON HOLD, LIKE THEY DID FOR YEARS

SPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE IT DIDN'T WORK

OR IF IT DID

WHY ISN'T THE 3RD WORLD, WHERE THEY NEVER GOT ENOUGH VACCINE TO SPEAK OF

LOSE HALF THEIR POPULATIONS?

HAVE DEATHS LIKE THE U.S?

REALITY, THE LAST 2 YRS SHOW YOU'RE OUT OF TOUCH WITH WHAT'S GONE ON, GOING ON

THE END IS NIGH

YEAH, AND THE JEWS ARE COLONIZERS TOO!!!
 

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masks weren't a thing in the western world

they were in places like Japan, not because of health reasons

they were because of social reasons

so that people who had a cold could still go out in public and not sneeze on people

cause they have different cultural standards

CAUSE ANYONE WITH 2 BRAIN CELLS TO RUB TOGETHER WHO THINKS

THEY ARE INFECTIOUS WOULD STAY HOME AND NOT EVEN GO OUT INTO PUBLIC WITH A MASK ON

JUST LIKE PRE 2020 IN THE WEST NO ONE DID

THEY WERE OUT THERE COUGHING/SNEEZING, SPITTING, SPEWING GERMS

just like they are doing again

just like they did every flu season, when virtually no one

no one got the shot, go back and look at the levels of it, it was never high enough to speak of



YOU ARE TALKING LIKE AN IRRATIONAL EMOTIONAL CRIPPLE

PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY, FROM LOTS OF THINGS YOU AND OTHERS POTENTIALLY COULD PREVENT

YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO STOP THAT (GO LOOK AT THE TOP THINGS THAT KILL AROUND THE WORLD, YEARLY, DECADE AFTER DECADE, NOT FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS, FUCKEM!!)

WHY?

CAUSE YOU DON'T CARE ENOUGH, PEOPLE DON'T CARE, UNTIL THEY THINK THEY GOT A CHANCE OF GETTING IT, EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY

LIKE IN 2020, TELL YOU, FALSELY, THAT YOU HAD A CHANCE OF DYING

FEAR, THAT'S WHY, NOT RATIONAL THINKING

SARS, DID YOU START WEARING A MASK DURING SARS? NO, NO ONE DID, WHY, IT WAS FAR MORE DEADLY THAN COVID 19

YOU WEREN'T SCARED INTO IT, FORCED INTO IT



THE NUT JOBS CONSPIRATORY THEORISTS ARE STILL FEW

SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO COULDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT COVID ANY LONGER?

CAUSE THEY FINALLY CAUGHT ON TO THE BULLSHIT


JASON KENNEY STOOD IN THE AB LEG IN 2020, SAID WHAT WAS AND IS STILL THE TRUTH

ONLY OLD SICK PEOPLE, SICK PEOPLE HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, JUST LIKE THE FLU, SAME THING

LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SEND THEIR SICK KIDS TO DAYCARE/SCHOOL/ACTIVITIES DAILY

IT'S IRRATIONAL TO THINK YOU CAN SAVE EVERYONE

MORE IMPORTANT

IT'S COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL

TO THINK YOU CAN MAKE EVERYONE ELSE PUT THEIR LIVES ON HOLD, LIKE THEY DID FOR YEARS

SPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE IT DIDN'T WORK

OR IF IT DID

WHY ISN'T THE 3RD WORLD, WHERE THEY NEVER GOT ENOUGH VACCINE TO SPEAK OF

LOSE HALF THEIR POPULATIONS?

HAVE DEATHS LIKE THE U.S?

REALITY, THE LAST 2 YRS SHOW YOU'RE OUT OF TOUCH WITH WHAT'S GONE ON, GOING ON

THE END IS NIGH

YEAH, AND THE JEWS ARE COLONIZERS TOO!!!
Wow. You sound really sane and rational.
 

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THAT''S MORALITY

just go back, remember

certain aisles of stores taped off, yet the rest of the store fully accessible

go to a restaurant, enter with a mask, sit down, take it off, get up to piss/shit, put it back on, then take it off again when seated

only walk one way down an aisle

6 ft away, yeah, Fauci said he pulled it out of his ass, with masking

remember Tam, the incompetent, her too, said masking wasn't necessary, then all those studies came in within a few months to support it, sure

morality, sure

that's how you build a society that does the right thing


take your blood donation, it's a sad 4% of the population, why?

partly cause of the morons in charge, partly due to people, just like drinking and driving

don't give a shit till it happens to them/someone they know, care about


just look at the Van guy who ran over the pedestrian, while driving 130/running red lights/video taping/laughing

he's going to get maybe 5yrs, serve 3 maybe

morality?

outrage?

something could be done, but won't

morality, sure
 

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Wow. You sound really sane and rational.
what I sound like is pissed, mad, disappointed

that people in this day and age, with all the money we waste on edumacation

can't think rationally, without emotion when making major decisions that affect the whole of society, will for decades to come

or do you really think the damage done to children during covid won't? affect them? for years to come?

not to mention all the people who lost businesses, livelyhoods?

the emotional/physical toll it took

due to others

irrational emotional decisions that were based in facts/science/reality

even when evidence came forward showing they were wrong

HAVE YOU SEEN ANY, JUST ONE, OF THE "EXPERTS" POLITICIANS

APOLOGIZE? FOR THEIR DECISIONS THAT WERE COMPLETELY WRONG?

OR FOR NOT CHANGING WHEN SHOWN THEY WERE WRONG?

LIKE PASSPORTS? SHOTS STOPPING THE SPREAD?

ONE? JUST ONE?

RATIONAL, WOULDN'T THAT BE RATIONAL?

TO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG?


SO dispute it?

go pre covid, show me someone wearing a mask in public in Canada, consistently

I'm have dead age wise, it never happened

hospital settings, sure in ICUs

someone extremely infectious in the hospital, sure

the flu of 1919, that was an actual killer, pics of people wearing cloth masks

covid was never a big killer, even before the shots

facts, math, stats, you know, rational

prove me wrong

tell me what I said didn't happen
 
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This was actually the catalyst for me deciding to make this bet. FEMA is almost out of money because..according to Majorkas, much of it was given to illegal migrants and now they have nothing left for their fellow Americans in trouble. That is going to have a big impact on North Carolina, quite possibly throw it into the Republican camp and cost Harris/Walz the election. People who live there are really pissed off at the rescue effort and the measly $750 they get compared to the thousands of dollars on loaded VISA cards given to the illegals and the billions of dollars spent to pay the salaries of the entire civil service of Ukraine.

But anything can happen during the next 30 odd days.

Also fyi the polling data I have been following is coming mostly from CNN and that Harry Enten(?) guy and John King. Not Fox News.

"This was actually the catalyst for me deciding to make this bet. FEMA is almost out of money"

More trump lies

https://www.wric.com/weather/severe-weather/fema-funding-myth-debunk/

The right are saying Kamala and the left are using the hurricane for "political gains"

How cute
 
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what I sound like is pissed, mad, disappointed

that people in this day and age, with all the money we waste on edumacation

can't think rationally, without emotion when making major decisions that affect the whole of society, will for decades to come

or do you really think the damage done to children during covid won't? affect them? for years to come?

not to mention all the people who lost businesses, livelyhoods?

the emotional/physical toll it took

due to others

irrational emotional decisions that were based in facts/science/reality

even when evidence came forward showing they were wrong

HAVE YOU SEEN ANY, JUST ONE, OF THE "EXPERTS" POLITICIANS

APOLOGIZE? FOR THEIR DECISIONS THAT WERE COMPLETELY WRONG?

OR FOR NOT CHANGING WHEN SHOWN THEY WERE WRONG?

LIKE PASSPORTS? SHOTS STOPPING THE SPREAD?

ONE? JUST ONE?

RATIONAL, WOULDN'T THAT BE RATIONAL?

TO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG?


SO dispute it?

go pre covid, show me someone wearing a mask in public in Canada, consistently

I'm have dead age wise, it never happened

hospital settings, sure in ICUs

someone extremely infectious in the hospital, sure

the flu of 1919, that was an actual killer, pics of people wearing cloth masks

covid was never a big killer, even before the shots

facts, math, stats, you know, rational

prove me wrong

tell me what I said didn't happen
Oh hunny, I haven't wasted time responding to anti-vaxxer nutcases scared by science in several years. It's not a very productive use of time.
 
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