GST On Sex - Buyer Beware

[take8easy]

I will try to keep it short. A few days ago, I was scheduling an hour appointment with this provider whom I wanted to see for the longest time. We agreed on time and everything was good to go. She was busy when we agreed on time and she said that she will get back to me asap. Anyways, I was really looking forward to it and I just could not wait.

So I got the text a few hours later saying something like, 'Send me $100 deposit and you can bring the balance ($***.** including taxes).' I didn't read the whole message the first time and that was my mistake. I ran to a nearby Seven 11 and just as I was about to get out of the car, she texted me about how she prefers to receive the deposit. I took the phone out to read the message and that is when I read her earlier message again and I was taken aback. I am not going to lie that it was an instant turn off. I had put aside $50 for tip on top of her fee but I just think it is a sneaky way of overcharging.

Her ad on Tryst doesn't mention anything about GST. To her defense, she asked me to fill out the form on her website although we had already agreed on time. I found that a bit odd and different. But I went with it. AND NOW I KNOW WHY!

When I asked her if she was joking about GST, she said that yes she charges GST and it on her website. She said she has a GST number as well. I guess that's why she wanted me to go to her website to see. I didn’t see or chose not to read the fine print. My mistake!

Anyways, I told her that I was totally turned off. I thanked her for all the time and apologized. Then the sarcasm and name calling began from her side. I again, decided to not to react.

I am not going to bad mouth her. She has her business and she has every right to run it the way she wants. I am not even going to mention her name because I respect what she does and I find her very attractive. I am not even going to mention her rates just in case someone tries to take wild guess as to who she is.

I know it is buyer beware kind of thing but honestly Tryst is her main advertising site and she doesn't mention GST there. How many of you go through those long essays describing different things on these websites after you have looked at a fairly descriptive ads on Tryst?

Oh well, I am glad that I read her texts the second time and decided not to proceed.

My advice to her (not that she will take it) is, to mention the GST part in her ads. If not, an easier thing to do is to just set a rate and feel free to mention that it includes GST ($525, including gst for example ).

Again, it’s not about another 20-30 bucks as I have seen about 125 ladies for over 190 sessions for about $55,000 . It’s about false advertising and what makes it worse is the fact it was done by someone who is fairly active here.

Moral of the story, be prepared just in case a provider tells you that she charges 5% on top of her fee.

I wonder if this post will be taken down for some reason. Again this is not to bad mouth her, it is more to describe my shock and disappointment.

PS: I wrote this review a day after it happened but decided not to post it but I emailed it to myself. I got a few messages from fellow PERB members that this lady went to one of her social media platform and posted screenshots of our conversation.

I guess posting on social media is her choice but that’s what made me decide to tell my side of the story.

 

[crawdaddy]

bruh

I'm fairly certain I know which service provider you're referring to, and I've seen the Twitter thread about it. There were many local service providers chiming in and labeling clients as "stupid" and "broke" for believing that the taxes on their service are a foolish concept.

First off, the irony of calling us broke when their the ones having sex for money....
Also just terrible business sense.

A savvy provider would simply incorporate the tax into their pricing and round it up, so clients aren’t fumbling with quarters, loonies, and toonies. However, the provider in question seems to be bored and short on clients, so they devised this misguided new strategy, which is likely to backfire, and I doubt they’ll stick with it for more than a week or two.

I'll be honest: I’m certainly not broke, and I can assure you I'm wealthier than any provider in the city. However, I'm not going to engage in this. If I come across a provider charging GST or PST on their rates and making a big deal about it, I won’t be traveling just to get exact change. It's not just a matter of principle or inconvenience, I genuinely see it as a sign of poor judgment and desperation which wont be rewarding.

There’s a strange trend where many providers are making it increasingly inconvenient to see them. The whole point of this hobby is that it offers a more convenient alternative to going out, wining, and dining a girl while investing all that time and effort. However, many of these providers and the unhealthy games they play are making it seem like taking a regular girl out on a date could be a more convenient choice.

Fortunately, the attractive providers who don’t have a dislike for men won’t engage in this behavioru\.

 

[Cock Throppled]

It's always buyer beware, but the biggest complaint from clients seems to be deceptive advertising, so the concept of adding tax to the fee is counter-productive. Many, if not most Sp's probably don't pay full tax on earnings, and even if they do, just setting a rate that would cover tax sould be good business policy, and that applies to many businesses.

I'm sure most clients and SP's would like to enjoy time together without thinking about taxes.

 

[Drjohn]

bruh

I'm fairly certain I know which service provider you're referring to, and I've seen the Twitter thread about it. There were many local service providers chiming in and labeling clients as "stupid" and "broke" for believing that the taxes on their service are a foolish concept.

First off, the irony of calling us broke when their the ones having sex for money....
Also just terrible business sense.

A savvy provider would simply incorporate the tax into their pricing and round it up, so clients aren’t fumbling with quarters, loonies, and toonies. However, the provider in question seems to be bored and short on clients, so they devised this misguided new strategy, which is likely to backfire, and I doubt they’ll stick with it for more than a week or two.

I'll be honest: I’m certainly not broke, and I can assure you I'm wealthier than any provider in the city. However, I'm not going to engage in this. If I come across a provider charging GST or PST on their rates and making a big deal about it, I won’t be traveling just to get exact change. It's not just a matter of principle or inconvenience, I genuinely see it as a sign of poor judgment and desperation which wont be rewarding.

There’s a strange trend where many providers are making it increasingly inconvenient to see them. The whole point of this hobby is that it offers a more convenient alternative to going out, wining, and dining a girl while investing all that time and effort. However, many of these providers and the unhealthy games they play are making it seem like taking a regular girl out on a date could be a more convenient choice.

Fortunately, the attractive providers who don’t have a dislike for men won’t engage in this behavioru\.

Excellent post.

I will go through a few hoops to see someone I feel is worth seeing.

Some of these demands and conditions are ridiculous.

They are within their rights to ask for these things but in a lot of cases they're just turning off potential customers.

As you said, there are plenty of alternatives so good luck to her.

 

[Crookedmember]

There was a post here last week about this encounter interruptus, including, including screenshots of the text messages.
But it was gone the next morning.

I said at the time the client was polite, so there was no reason to call him an asshole.

With all the scams killing this business, you'd think the ladies would avoid creating the opportunity for new ones.

 

[vanperb]

PS: I wrote this review a day after it happened but decided not to post it but I emailed it to myself. I got a few messages from fellow PERB members that this lady went to one of her social media platform and posted screenshots of our conversation.

I guess posting on social media is her choice but that’s what made me decide to tell my side of the story.

Pricing aside I think her willingness to post screenshots of conversations is what most worrying. It's not like she's just blowing off steam. I feel like that crosses the line of discretion. One other provider did that a lot, and has since returned to agency work because she had scared off clients looking for discretion, and left with only people who had no other intentions than to waste her time. It's great for social media engagement though so... win?

 

[Equity Market investor]

I know exactly who you are referencing. I read the post on X and I thought to myself -- " That's a first ". Then, I wasn't surprised since we pay tax on everything else in our lives. This industry seems to be rapidly changing in terms of business operation transactions ( unfortunate in some instances ) . Maybe she incorporates her business taxes differently than other ladies? Reasons of auditing?

I will try to keep it short. A few days ago, I was scheduling an hour appointment with this provider whom I wanted to see for the longest time. We agreed on time and everything was good to go. She was busy when we agreed on time and she said that she will get back to me asap. Anyways, I was really looking forward to it and I just could not wait.

So I got the text a few hours later saying something like, 'Send me $100 deposit and you can bring the balance ($***.** including taxes).' I didn't read the whole message the first time and that was my mistake. I ran to a nearby Seven 11 and just as I was about to get out of the car, she texted me about how she prefers to receive the deposit. I took the phone out to read the message and that is when I read her earlier message again and I was taken aback. I am not going to lie that it was an instant turn off. I had put aside $50 for tip on top of her fee but I just think it is a sneaky way of overcharging.

Her ad on Tryst doesn't mention anything about GST. To her defense, she asked me to fill out the form on her website although we had already agreed on time. I found that a bit odd and different. But I went with it. AND NOW I KNOW WHY!

When I asked her if she was joking about GST, she said that yes she charges GST and it on her website. She said she has a GST number as well. I guess that's why she wanted me to go to her website to see. I didn’t see or chose not to read the fine print. My mistake!

Anyways, I told her that I was totally turned off. I thanked her for all the time and apologized. Then the sarcasm and name calling began from her side. I again, decided to not to react.

I am not going to bad mouth her. She has her business and she has every right to run it the way she wants. I am not even going to mention her name because I respect what she does and I find her very attractive. I am not even going to mention her rates just in case someone tries to take wild guess as to who she is.

I know it is buyer beware kind of thing but honestly Tryst is her main advertising site and she doesn't mention GST there. How many of you go through those long essays describing different things on these websites after you have looked at a fairly descriptive ads on Tryst?

Oh well, I am glad that I read her texts the second time and decided not to proceed.

My advice to her (not that she will take it) is, to mention the GST part in her ads. If not, an easier thing to do is to just set a rate and feel free to mention that it includes GST ($525, including gst for example ).

Again, it’s not about another 20-30 bucks as I have seen about 125 ladies for over 190 sessions for about $55,000 . It’s about false advertising and what makes it worse is the fact it was done by someone who is fairly active here.

Moral of the story, be prepared just in case a provider tells you that she charges 5% on top of her fee.

I wonder if this post will be taken down for some reason. Again this is not to bad mouth her, it is more to describe my shock and disappointment.

PS: I wrote this review a day after it happened but decided not to post it but I emailed it to myself. I got a few messages from fellow PERB members that this lady went to one of her social media platform and posted screenshots of our conversation.

I guess posting on social media is her choice but that’s what made me decide to tell my side of the story.

 

[Equity Market investor]

VP, I agree. You may not agree with me on this ( as well as others ) but, its the reason why I refuse to give a deposit ( unless there are different options for deposit where your personal info isn't shown? ) DM me if I'm unaware of some. There are some ladies I would love to visit if it wasn't for these type of payment requests.

PS...for the record, the lady who the OP is talking about was one of them who would have loved to visit.
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Anyway, If they can do this then what else can they doing behind the scenes? One can never tell. We read here how many are angry about screenshots shown on social media platforms, cameras placed inside incalls etc etc --- And I get installing cameras, believe me, I do and that's good ( safety) ! But......

Pricing aside I think her willingness to post screenshots of conversations is what most worrying. It's not like she's just blowing off steam. I feel like that crosses the line of discretion. One other provider did that a lot, and has since returned to agency work because she had scared off clients looking for discretion, and left with only people who had no other intentions than to waste her time. It's great for social media engagement though so... win?

 

[Equity Market investor]

Are you surprised ? A lot threads have been locked as of late. Except the 2 lounge threads where insults are allowed
I'm sure it'll happen to this one too.

There was a post here last week about this encounter interruptus, including, including screenshots of the text messages.
But it was gone the next morning.

 

[vanperb]

VP, I agree. You may not agree with me on this ( as well as others ) but, its the reason why I refuse to give a deposit ( unless there are different options for deposit where your personal info isn't shown? ) DM me if I'm unaware of some. There are some ladies I would love to visit if it wasn't for these type of payment requests.

I've always used gift cards in the past. Bitcoin leaves a hard trail. Amazon has electronic ones you can tie to a burner account. Or go to a 7-11 and get a prepaid visa/mastercard and send them the info. Or ask the lady if there's a retailer she prefers and you can work it out from there. Most ecards from retailers only show an email address that can be tied to a burner. Not as easy as etransfer but can show commitment from both parties.

Usual note, research first that this is going to a reputable lady

 

[Crookedmember]

Pricing aside I think her willingness to post screenshots of conversations is what most worrying. It's not like she's just blowing off steam. I feel like that crosses the line of discretion. One other provider did that a lot, and has since returned to agency work because she had scared off clients looking for discretion, and left with only people who had no other intentions than to waste her time. It's great for social media engagement though so... win?

SPs: "Your personal, banking and LinkedIn information is safe with us.

Also SPs: "Hey internet, here's screenshots of a conversation I had with this asshole today."

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Disagree..the provider in question has always been open about being in the industry. Why should they suffer the worry about being audited and having to explain all their income away? Why is all the onus on providers for everything all the time like this?

But as you say, you dont like it, dont go . No need for all the 'virtue signalling'

 

[sunnydayz]

I also know who the provider is and saw her post on socials. She has every right to charge GST but I also feel you absolutely handled it respectfully. For her to go to socials and post your messages as some sort of fuck you was uncalled for.

 

[vanperb]

SPs: "Your personal, banking and LinkedIn information is safe with us.
Also SPs: "Hey internet, here's screenshots of a conversation I had with this asshole today."

It's not every SP that does this and it's a small minority at best. But people do latch on to it, and it ruins it for other ladies who are actually discrete.
To be fair a few vocal posters here illicit quotes like "Wow lol slobbyists are so shit like 99% of the time."

The acts of a few disproportionately affect the opinions of many.

 

[carvesg]

She posted on perb as well but the thread was deleted shortly after maybe after having second thoughts.

Freedom to choose for an sp who she sees ( security , spidey sense , feeling from the initial interaction ) should also comes with the freedom for someone to decline to meet an sp if the terms of the transaction are not totally clear from the onset . The justification should not have to be exhaustive and lengthy for either side .

 

[bc.]

It's funny because I rarely use X, but I had a rough guess and it's exactly as I assumed.

But on a further note, I felt it could have been communicated better from what I read on the screenshot. It is their right to handle business as they deem fit and it us our choice to contribute. Unfortunately if it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. Move on and hope to find a phenomenal experience the next time 😎

 

[take8easy]

Again, let me be restate that
1. She has full right to charge GST PST or any other ST there is.
2. My issue is that it is not advertised on her TRYST ad.
3. If I refused to go with it (16+ hours before the schedule) why does suddenly make me an a**h..e?
4. I respect that she claims that she collects and pays taxes and I am sure she understands that this not a norm in this industry and many other professions like hair salons etc. I am sure someone else must have raised an eyebrow about it before. Why not just simply adjust the fee to include any other surcharges. Her fees is $450 and if she posted it as $472.50, (including GST), I would gladly go with it. But a. not to disclose it initially, b. bring it up when the perspective client is about to pay and c. call him names d. AND THEN post it on social media is not a good business practice at all. I am in business myself and it is mainly providing service and I am being honest when I tell you that most of my business comes from repeat customers. A big chunk of my new clients come because of good references from existing clients. Similarly, if I click with an SP, I repeat her, a lot. This lady lost a client who could have repeated her about half a dozen times AND would have gladly pay her $25 more (if it was included in the advertised price). Not to mention good reviews and recommendations that I am sure would have sent some new clients her way.

Oh well, what do I know!

What makes it worse is that I didn’t even want to bring it up at all. I wrote it, but decided not to post it. Suddenly a few days later, I started to get messages from PERBites about her bad mouthing me on social media so I had to tell my side of the story.

The reason why I didn’t want to raise the issue was that I merely disagreed with her so it was not a huge issue. Also I respect what these girls do and hurting their business would have been morally wrong for me. Thirdly I was being a bit selfish because this issue could create a bad impression of me amongst ladies. I am sure some of them would think that I am a cheap bargainer or a haggler.

In fact, not to brag about the way I pay, soon after this, I had a two hour outcall ( my first ever) with a lovely girl at my place to kind of get over it. It turned out to become over a 3 hours $1200 wine, woman, wanton wild wishes and fun filled evening. The review will follow soon.

Thanks.

 

[take8easy]

She posted on perb as well but the thread was deleted shortly after maybe after having second thoughts.

Freedom to choose for an sp who she sees ( security , spidey sense , feeling from the initial interaction ) should also comes with the freedom for someone to decline to meet an sp if the terms of the transaction are not totally clear from the onset . The justification should not have to be exhaustive and lengthy for either side .

I was afraid, kind of suspected that she might do that. But I also know that posting text exchanges is a no-no here and I have had to sit out once because of this infraction when I was newbie here.

 

[Crookedmember]

Providers and clients should keep in mind that in 2014 Stephen Harper passed laws that basically made prostitution a crime. The Supreme Court gutted much of this as unconstitutional, but it is still illegal to pay for sex.

Mr Poilievre has recently promised to use the notwithstanding clause to create laws that trample our rights, but the courts can't touch.

So you really should be concerned about the personal information you give providers or your bank about your illegal activities. The plastering of a private conversation all over the internet should be a wake up call.

If Poilievre wins next year, there is no doubt he will take another swing at the sex trade. He could also go after those who left a paper trail to their crimes by using e-transfers or credit cards to pay for sex.

I hope the OP's post is allowed to stay up as a warning to others to pay cash and use a fucking burner.

 

[Equity Market investor]

If cash was the only obstacle? I'd wager ladies would get more business to some degree imo?? Then, I would visit some who've I wanted to visit lol. And yes, paper trail in the wrong hands may be detrimental in entities. Marriages, high profile / Public jobs, just to name a couple. Of course, this is my opinion. Things were much easier way back, eh?

If Poilievre wins next year, there is no doubt he will take another swing at the sex trade. He could also go after those who left a paper trail to their crimes by using e-transfers or credit cards to pay for sex.

I hope the OP's post is allowed to stay up as a warning to others to pay cash and use a fucking burner.