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I'm curious. Has anyone changed anyone else's mind/thinking here yet?

the byelection shows 8 yrs of the Turd has

there are 4 more to come, one's an NDP others are Liberals

poll after poll shows people are finally waking up and changing their minds

some of them have to be on here

when people can't afford the basics, they change their minds

when you run out of other peoples money

when you bribe everyone and anyone with their own money and debt and it still doesn't work

people change their minds, there's always going to be the delusional who think things are fine, despite all the numbers showing otherwise

math is hard
 

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Take stock on the assets Canada has..... lots of minerals and oil and gas.....
Lots of provincial and national debt. Personal debt is the most and it looks like people will be paying their mortgage for the next 30 years, all into their retirement years. I like to call this the indebted slave market to compound interest. At the very least all mortgages should be simple interest, no more than 15% interest. People would pay off the house alot earlier instead of paying 2.5 to 3 time the cost of their initial price of the house.

We don't have the infrastructure to manufacture any heavy industry... sure we mine stuff and give it away to other countries, we cut down all the unprotected forests and no longer have viable forests to harvest (cutting trees down that are 12-18 inches diameter compared to 4-6 feet in the 1930s). We only started replanting for trees in the 1980s and a tree needs to grow 60--90 years for a good sized one. In the coming years where are you going to get your toilet paper. Knowledge will be lost as books won't be printed but in digital format, which a EMP will wipe out....

The Canadian military is crap on equipment and personnel and training. They are just not tough enough, rather they go through mediation to prevent conflict....They are far, far from a mean lean green fighting machine, they are wimps... So that means Canada is at the top of the list for dictators around the world to take Canadian land, and resources and when the Aborginals complain they will just kill them.

The resources of the Yukon and NWT are wide open for the taking. The NW passage won't be controlled by the new arctic patrol ships, too few and not enough and not heavily enough armed to take on any frigate in the world.

The politics of the US looks like a civil war is brewing, so asking them for help will come to nothing.... So that means Canada is on its own if it need to defend its borders. Any future conflict will be on Canadian soil, not like the far away conflict of WW2. Today there are nuclear bomb, missiles that cross oceans, planes that fly undetected.

Canada has no missile defence system at all, not even from drones. Look at the Ukraine war its all about drones. Canada best infograhic move is to put a 50 cal on a vehicle and say its good enough.... So antiquated and wrong.. We rented tanks for Afghanistan instead of buying our own tanks or even making our own tanks.
The old CPF are 30 years old, and they had electrical problems from the start. The solution was to use man hours to do maintenance (over the life of the ship), and not spend the money on fixing the problem created by cost cutting...The reserve boats were under designed and underpowered, all for saving money. The new arctic patrol ships have their own engineering problems that are class wide. Canada has a lot of costal waters, but does not have any fast attack boats armed to the teeth with adeqate weapons or survellance systems, to counter drug smuggling or help in emergencies with the coast guard.

Why are these projects so fucked up, the Canadian government once every 20 years decides they had enough complaining from the DND and say sure you'll get new equipment..... They look around for the best equipment in the world and decide they will build their own. So at the most they have second rate people designing these new equipment. When you have a 20 year gap in building, you get lost information and lose best practices....All which show up in the design of new equipment or comes at a cost saving measure, which cause problems further on down the life of the piece of equipment....

For the far north, the best equipment is a hovercraft. Loud, noisy, fuel inefficient, but it can get the job done over ice or water and can do it faster (50 knots) than 20 knot vessel that only can go over water (which limits where it can go). I mean who makes up these decisions...... some asswipe beancounter.

The Canadian political situation is shit, both parties are kin to fucking over good policies that were meant to help Canada and her people. Their thinking was that if I take them down, it only helps my party and my situation; unfortunately the long term consequences of those decisions have only fucked over everybody...

The most woke thing I see is that all government signature block (that everyone working for Fed/prov governments has to have in their signature block) that says Something to the effect of politizing the government workers. https://assets.nationbuilder.com/bc...ginal/1693005522/FN-guide-2023.pdf?1693005522 This is so much fucking bullshit..... This is why Canadians are so fucked up, stupid shit coming from elected leaders and the fucken asswipes that run the government, licking the spittle off their fucken stupid politicians actions/words when they should be neutral to all politics. Its like shoving religion down everyones' throat.....
makes me wanto punch them.... just saying... not right to try and put words into other people's mouths....

Oil pipeline in Canada... If you are not paying the people who's land it is (belongs to Canada, not anybody else), your not going to get the pipeline made, even if it make economice sense overall for Canada.

As for our brain drain, information says that is not that bad, but hey the smart ones are still not coming back to Canada, because they make more money elsewhere.... and when they do come back, its in their late 60s to take advantage of the medical system....after not paying for it for most of their lives....

Its gonna take 50 years of sweat and turmoil to put Canada back as a leader in this world. A first step would be to tie all provincial power grids together, to act as one when dealing with exporting electricity to the US....

First thing to go is this conflict resolution crap; scrap it out and the toughest will come to the top. And who is gonna fuck with the toughest.....

Competition is good, as long as every body is following the same rules, and the system is fair. Ok I am a dreamer on this part, but I have to have hope don't I?
 
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Trudy is missing the Calgary Stampede.....first time ever, except for Covid.
 

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It might be because he's universally disliked.

Are lynch mobs still a thing?
How about syrup and feathers....🥞
 

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Your white hood is showing under your disguise
I miss those Klan meetings.

Those were the good old days.

Just ask Joe Biden, he was buddies with Robert Bryd. Bryd was a well known Klansman.

What's that old saying?

"Birds of a feather, flock together"

So true.
 

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I miss those Klan meetings.

Those were the good old days.

Just ask Joe Biden, he was buddies with Robert Bryd. Bryd was a well known Klansman.

What's that old saying?

"Birds of a feather, flock together"

So true.
Maybe some of your BLM buddies should visit PP le stink.
 

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There is a man with political views you dont like. You bring up lynching.

Perhaps someone should threaten violence towards your political favorites, fight fire with fire like lowdown dirty dogs.
 
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There is a man with political views you dont like. You bring up lynching.

Perhaps someone should threaten violence towards your political favorites, fight fire with fire like lowdown dirty dogs.
You sound like a lying dog faced pony soldier.

What's that old saying?

"If the noose fits".

Maybe that's just my imagination.
 

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What I love about these discussions in politics, everyone here likes to complain and take cheap shots at everybody. Very Christian like attitude they have. Canada is a socialist government, hiding in a capitalist economy run by banks (big corporate companies). In Canada there is too much monopolies due to small population and large land mass. Government infrastructure is gigantic in size compared to smaller European countries (Norway, Sweden) where their infrastructure is small, transportation is small (trains, highways etc) cause everything is closer together. So transport is high to support infrastructure.

Any supply chain for materials has a large portion of Imported (from US) material coming ultimately from China/far east countries. The reality supply chains come from the US and it costs Canadians. Even with free trade, the average price of something in Canada for industrial purposes cost 15 to 25 % higher than in the US. Again it all has to do with monopolies (or the term preferred supplier); the reality is it is actually a monopoly on that item or part. Look at plexiglass, it is about 2 times more expensive than in Texas, I mean transportation isn't that much is it?

One reason people don't see this is the practice of quotes when it comes to websites (as the market fluxuation of the price say for steel). You need to ask for a quote in Canada, whereas in the US its on their websites. So why are the prices hidden when steel is very stable in price?

And electricity, every province is connected to the state south of them, but not to other provinces.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/516279/electricity-costs-for-end-users-canada-by-province/
https://energyrates.ca/the-main-electricity-sources-in-canada-by-province/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newf...ful,selling it to its customers for 7.3 cents.

Provinces are more likely to fuck over other provinces, when they should be working together. Although this might be a Federal way of dealing with the provinces.

Ontario has lots of hydro up in the northern part of Ontario, but is not that well connected to the south Ontario, which uses nuclear power for electricity. Ontario privatized its transmission service to political hacks (friends of the politicians at the time).... And this shit keeps happening all over Canada. If its not billionaire families controlling the provincial economy, its large corporation like Rogers (shaw), telus, and Bell that control access to media through cell phone and internet, and cable.

Do you really need 5G connect ability... No 4 G is good enough. For large cities and across Canada, 5G--- maybe... And computer things are doing too much shit as it is.... Alexa listens to you, all your internet inquiries (googling), is recorded and the programs send you ads about every thing you searched for. Don't be surprized if they start checking/recording you online banking....

The #1 biggest drawback to innovation is patents. Patents create monopolies. Most Billionaires make their money off patents (same with large corporations) cause they all have large team of lawyers to sue anybody infringing on their patent.
Sawstop, Gortex (after the developer die, his family doubled the price of Gortex products), yeah the high price of Gortex is just family greed. Its forced other manufacturers to find alternatives to keep prices down (although its not as good as gortex).
Pretty much anything to do with plastics is patented...

Today Walmart is the corporation that need to be broken up. Food store, auto store, clothing store, drug store. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...ross-the-us-in-2023-see-full-list/ar-AA1kbBxw
The reality is Walmart is closing stores where they are losing money due to crime and violence. And they are a cheap place to get things, so shit is really bad in those areas... But in well behaved neighbourhoods they make a killing.....

What can Canada do, maybe some of you assholes could quit calling each other names and come up with some slick solutions.... instead of bitching all the time.

In Canada we vote governments out, why not because they fucked up but because of perceptions. Nobody gives a fuck who wins, the elected governments are all the same, keeping the status quo with the populace, while trying to fund their distinct political bias, which nobody really needs. Most needs are meet in Canada, but its degrading as more idiots get into politics and fill their own pockets, by tweaking monetary policies that is to their political advantage for their party....

Taxes are outrageous and have to be cut, but won't be until people get fed up just start killing the fucking greedy bastards in government...

Canada used to be a company towns, where the education consisted in public schools on how to train the next generation of workers. That all ended in the 80-90s when pulp plants and mining towns started to shut down. Most large towns are run by 3-5 families that control all the business. Yes that is a form of mafia.... Especially if you don't play ball and charge out of town competition a premium, if you don't you are blacklisted...This tends to happen in more isolated places...

The material to make a dress is just as expensive in Canada, as to just buy a foreign made dress. This is the problem in Canada. To many people capitalizing on monopolies or perceived monopolies. or should I say middlemen/companies.
 

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What I love about these discussions in politics, everyone here likes to complain and take cheap shots at everybody. Very Christian like attitude they have. Canada is a socialist government, hiding in a capitalist economy run by banks (big corporate companies). In Canada there is too much monopolies due to small population and large land mass. Government infrastructure is gigantic in size compared to smaller European countries (Norway, Sweden) where their infrastructure is small, transportation is small (trains, highways etc) cause everything is closer together. So transport is high to support infrastructure.

Any supply chain for materials has a large portion of Imported (from US) material coming ultimately from China/far east countries. The reality supply chains come from the US and it costs Canadians. Even with free trade, the average price of something in Canada for industrial purposes cost 15 to 25 % higher than in the US. Again it all has to do with monopolies (or the term preferred supplier); the reality is it is actually a monopoly on that item or part. Look at plexiglass, it is about 2 times more expensive than in Texas, I mean transportation isn't that much is it?

One reason people don't see this is the practice of quotes when it comes to websites (as the market fluxuation of the price say for steel). You need to ask for a quote in Canada, whereas in the US its on their websites. So why are the prices hidden when steel is very stable in price?

And electricity, every province is connected to the state south of them, but not to other provinces.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/516279/electricity-costs-for-end-users-canada-by-province/
https://energyrates.ca/the-main-electricity-sources-in-canada-by-province/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/quebec-newfoundland-labrador-churchill-falls-talks-1.6743849#:~:text=For 50 years Quebec has enjoyed cheap plentiful,selling it to its customers for 7.3 cents.

Provinces are more likely to fuck over other provinces, when they should be working together. Although this might be a Federal way of dealing with the provinces.

Ontario has lots of hydro up in the northern part of Ontario, but is not that well connected to the south Ontario, which uses nuclear power for electricity. Ontario privatized its transmission service to political hacks (friends of the politicians at the time).... And this shit keeps happening all over Canada. If its not billionaire families controlling the provincial economy, its large corporation like Rogers (shaw), telus, and Bell that control access to media through cell phone and internet, and cable.

Do you really need 5G connect ability... No 4 G is good enough. For large cities and across Canada, 5G--- maybe... And computer things are doing too much shit as it is.... Alexa listens to you, all your internet inquiries (googling), is recorded and the programs send you ads about every thing you searched for. Don't be surprized if they start checking/recording you online banking....

The #1 biggest drawback to innovation is patents. Patents create monopolies. Most Billionaires make their money off patents (same with large corporations) cause they all have large team of lawyers to sue anybody infringing on their patent.
Sawstop, Gortex (after the developer die, his family doubled the price of Gortex products), yeah the high price of Gortex is just family greed. Its forced other manufacturers to find alternatives to keep prices down (although its not as good as gortex).
Pretty much anything to do with plastics is patented...

Today Walmart is the corporation that need to be broken up. Food store, auto store, clothing store, drug store. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...ross-the-us-in-2023-see-full-list/ar-AA1kbBxw
The reality is Walmart is closing stores where they are losing money due to crime and violence. And they are a cheap place to get things, so shit is really bad in those areas... But in well behaved neighbourhoods they make a killing.....

What can Canada do, maybe some of you assholes could quit calling each other names and come up with some slick solutions.... instead of bitching all the time.

In Canada we vote governments out, why not because they fucked up but because of perceptions. Nobody gives a fuck who wins, the elected governments are all the same, keeping the status quo with the populace, while trying to fund their distinct political bias, which nobody really needs. Most needs are meet in Canada, but its degrading as more idiots get into politics and fill their own pockets, by tweaking monetary policies that is to their political advantage for their party....

Taxes are outrageous and have to be cut, but won't be until people get fed up just start killing the fucking greedy bastards in government...

Canada used to be a company towns, where the education consisted in public schools on how to train the next generation of workers. That all ended in the 80-90s when pulp plants and mining towns started to shut down. Most large towns are run by 3-5 families that control all the business. Yes that is a form of mafia.... Especially if you don't play ball and charge out of town competition a premium, if you don't you are blacklisted...This tends to happen in more isolated places...

The material to make a dress is just as expensive in Canada, as to just buy a foreign made dress. This is the problem in Canada. To many people capitalizing on monopolies or perceived monopolies. or should I say middlemen/companies.
This consolidation of supply and the offshoring wad really an American thing, Canada was just along for the ride. If we'd put tarrifs on overseas stuff bit the Americans didn't, our economy would fall behind faster.

There is a 'social tax' for Canada in tetms of healthcare and safteynets, but im happy to pay for those within reason.
 

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There is a 'social tax' for Canada in tetms of healthcare and safteynets, but im happy to pay for those within reason.
no there is a delusion of it "SOCIAL TAX"

we pay the highest cost for our healthcare in the developed world as a % of our economy

we have the worst outcomes, some of the worst ratios of Dr/patients, equipment/beds

your reason is clearly out of touch with facts/reality

and safety nets? haha

again, reality, facts

those who truly need a hand-up aren't the main recipients

our welfare system, you call safety nets, are going to people making the average income and then some now

BRIBING BASED ON POLLING, NOT NEED ISN'T REASONABLE

THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN OUT OF WHACK FOR DECADES

BUT IT'S ON STEROIDS SINCE THE TURD IN 15


SAFETY NET, IF THAT ACTUALLY EXISTED, THERE WOULDN'T BE SO MANY HOMELESS, ERRR SORRY, CLIENTS/HOUSELESS/ROOF CHALLENGED, WHATEVER BULLSHIT SEMANTICS THEY'RE USING THIS WEEK

NOT TO MENTION 1,000,000 A WEEK LINING UP AT FOOD BANKS OUT OF THE IDIOTIC POPULATION GROWING AT 500,000/YR

WHEN THEY, THE SAFETY NET PROVIDERS AREN'T PRODUCING POLICIES, JOBS OR HOMES FOR ALL THOSE DIMINISHING RETURN IMMIGRANTS THE TURD KEEPS BRINGING IN

BASED ON THE LIE THAT THEY ARE NECESSARY OR OUR ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE, JUST SO WE CAN KEEP THE WORST GENERATION IN THE LIFESTYLE THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR, FOR THE LAST DECADE OF THEIR LIVES

POLICIES FROM GROWN UPS ARE NEEDED

NOT FANTASY OF SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE "HAPPY"

TO WATCH OTHERS PAY FOR WASTE, DELUSIONS OF REALITY

TILL THEY CAN'T FEED/HOUSE/CLOTH THEMSELVES OR EVER DREAM OF RETIRING

UNLESS THEY WORK FOR THE GOV'T
 

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The Canadian military ... They are just not tough enough, rather they go through mediation to prevent conflict....They are far, far from a mean lean green fighting machine, they are wimps...

Why are these projects so fucked up, the Canadian government once every 20 years decides they had enough complaining from the DND and say sure you'll get new equipment..... They look around for the best equipment in the world and decide they will build their own. So at the most they have second rate people designing these new equipment.

First thing to go is this conflict resolution crap; scrap it out and the toughest will come to the top. And who is gonna fuck with the toughest.....

Competition is good, as long as every body is following the same rules, and the system is fair. Ok I am a dreamer on this part, but I have to have hope don't I?

The procurement system has been broken by corporate greed more than anything else - the military insiders who make the decisions are all awaiting cushy jobs with those same defense firms once they retire. Decisions that could take months take several years, so you are right that in the meantime the technology changes, but the thing that really breaks the ability to get more of what we need is the costs. The "2% of GDP" metric actually encourages cost overruns and corruption; it registers with NATO-crats as "defense spending" and that is all they care about.

However the whole "just buy American-made, because it's cheaper" (it always American they want, not Korean, German, French, etc.) argument is also made by those political insiders who just happen to be on the payroll of American companies too, and who ideologically have no loyalty to anything Canadian to begin with. So given their attitude, what is the point in even bothering with the CAF funding issue if their vision of Canada is one of complete & total submission to a foreign power? They are the same ones who (on purpose) gutted Canada's manufacturing capacity and defense production capability, and now they complain about "the cost" of any project that might build it back and send some of that wealth back into the Canadian economy instead of basically offshoring massive amounts of our wealth via defense procurement. It is not like the USA does not have legendary defense boondoggles that they throw enormous amounts of money at (like the Littoral Combat Ship); somehow they always seem to have more money to flush down the toilet, to the point where it feeds on itself. They are up there are 3 or 4% of GDP, but that is not a good thing, because of how much of that is pure waste. The fix is always in, the process corrupt., The global defense industry is known for two things: corruption and being absurdly expensive. These two things are related, of course.

That's why the NATO-crats "2%" complaint within Canada is just another dirty political tactic, and these professional deceivers have many. Their are enforcing political compliance, discouraging dissent & second-guessing of their motives. Actual defense projects are determined by time and need, when weapons systems become worn out and obsolete, and new ones must replace it. That is a constant ongoing process, for not just our military, but every other ones. Only a few nations have the economy of scale to do it all by themselves, but even among them, the defense industry is global, more about political alignments than the boundaries of the nations who buy & build the weapons systems.

The party in power in Canada is irrelevant to the performance / capabilities of these weapons, and nearly irrelevant to when they wear out. What matters is their approach to the procurement decisions, just how much they are "in bed" with certain contractors or certain other countries and their vision for what Canada's defense should look like. Why do you think both the Cons and Libs place more emphasis on Canada's ability to fight in places like Latvia or the Middle East, than in our own territory? We have zero interests in those other places, so it is the ambitions of our allies we are really serving by structuring our military to serve strategic interests decided by someone else.

Even if the party in power has very different ideas, the insiders in our system will steer it towards whatever they wanted all along - even if it costs Canada several more years of waiting, as it did with the CF18 replacement decision. They spent years steering the decision back towards their Lockheed sponsors, the choice they made with zero alternatives ever considered, by using the decision process itself as the obstacle to choosing anything else. They kept that up until the elected officials basically gave up on what had been a very clear promise to do things differently. I've said before the 2% of GDP issue is a red herring; what matters is capabilities, but those capabilities have to be decided by Canada for Canada's own strategic interests, and that is the real area where our politicians fail us. They seem to either want to keep Canada submissive with a military designed to fight for someone else's interests, or else have just no idea what Canada's strategic interests would like like, aside from some soft power talking points which are more for the diplomats to use than the generals & admirals.

Not that you hear much from the foreign service of any country these days. Weaponized narratives mean the generals & admirals are the face of nations' foreign policies. Conflict resolution may sound cutesy to you, but ask yourself why the world is embroiled in war after war after war, when the world has neither wealth nor time to waste anymore. The world is FUCKED and it's because of the ambition of a few very powerful assholes, who believe that playing the "might makes right" game will somehow enable them to win without ever having to face push-back, much less payback. That's a juvenile fantasy, and following it guarantees bloody conflict, but take a look at how many world leaders are acting like spoiled brats, having a (heavily armed) tantrum. Diplomacy is dead because it requires, at some level, some basic mutual respect - and these guys respect nothing - not their own people, nor anyone else's.

The other things you mentioned seem to go along the same lines - Canada should be doing better, but the complaint of it being second rate and not internally cohesive always seems to come from those political forces who chose to make it second rate and damaged its cohesiveness, on purpose. So do not be surprised if I do not take their complaints at face value.
 
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I’m fucking mad and going on a rant.
Winnipeg is overrun with immigrants who make anyone outside their community unwelcome. It is a huge problem at work.
Take a group of four employees, two EuroCanadian and two EI - the EI always start talking to each other in their language and exclude the Euros. Same with Filipino.
This is RUDE!
They whine about acceptance but turn around and disrespect everyone else.
I have been a lifelong Liberal but this is an issue that would make me vote Conservative. Stop bringing in people who have zero interest in assimilating and no interest in being part of the Canadian commonity.
That’s all trudeau’s fault.
 
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