Petition to Decriminalize Sexwork in Canada
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That's because the German government deregulated it back in the 1920s, and it became normalised over the next 100s years.
No, you are not rediculous , but your claim that what your called legalization led to serial killers running wild is was a rediculous characterization. That Picton guy was able to get away with murders becasue of who he targeted, not becasue the SC had told the cops to stop enforcing prostitution laws.
On testing, your claim that only clients are guilty of spreading STDs ("After all, it is the client who presents the risk, not the provider.") is just gaslighting.
Obvioulsy both providers and customers can get STDs and transmit them to the other party. You also made a comment that everybody uses condoms in the industry. I'd suggest taking a look at LeoList, some of the Asian providers seemed to have missed the memo.
You also say say that you don't want to share your test results with customers because it contains personal info. That's not how it works in places where it is legal. Can you actually provide any examples of where that happens?
Legilizations is the answer because it decriminalization is what we had with pot - the police ignored it for the most part but you couldn't open a bank account, you couldn't set-up a store and you couldn't go to the police if someone sold you bad pot, etc.
How does decriminalization do anything to target trafficking/underage or other bad behaviour by providers, their employers or clients?
That's because the German government deregulated it back in the 1920s, and it became normalised over the next 100s years.
No, you are not rediculous , but your claim that what your called legalization led to serial killers running wild is was a rediculous characterization. That Picton guy was able to get away with murders becasue of who he targeted, not becasue the SC had told the cops to stop enforcing prostitution laws.
That is not what i said, i said the opposite...please try to actually read what i wrote
On testing, your claim that only clients are guilty of spreading STDs ("After all, it is the client who presents the risk, not the provider.") is just gaslighting.
Obvioulsy both providers and customers can get STDs and transmit them to the other party. You also made a comment that everybody uses condoms in the industry. I'd suggest taking a look at LeoList, some of the Asian providers seemed to have missed the memo.
Should use a condom...should use a condom....yes to gaslighting...the suggestion that it should be mandatory testing for us is also gaslighting if we put it that way
You also say say that you don't want to share your test results with customers because it contains personal info. That's not how it works in places where it is legal. Can you actually provide any examples of where that happens?
Again, we do not want legalization, we want decriminalization - the holy grail of sex work regulation, everything we want
Legilizations is the answer because it decriminalization is what we had with pot - the police ignored it for the most part but you couldn't open a bank account, you couldn't set-up a store and you couldn't go to the police if someone sold you bad pot, etc.
we are not "pot" we are people, sex work is not similar to selling drugs or an actual drug - we never had decriminalization of pot - it might be considered non enforcement or selective enforcement - decriminaization as it relates to sex work means removal of all criminal code of canada provisions related to sex work. that did not happen for pot, it still hasn't happened for pot - they have legalization, like booze....
sex workers are people, not a commodity....
We already have :lowest level of enforcement here - police not enforcing the sex work laws.... but we and you are still criminalized....
and ...it would be nice to be able to have access to the same business tools as other business owners, operating credit, payment processing..... just like other citizen business owners.
How does decriminalization do anything to target trafficking/underage or other bad behaviour by providers, their employers or clients?
There are laws for that - human trafficking, unlawful confinement, sexual assualt, assault, robbery, child sexual interference, child sexual exploitation, kidnapping, extorition, pedophilia....
children...are not prostitutes....children are not sex workers....so why would we use prostitution laws to punish people who rape or exploit them?
we would like to be "protected" by the same criminal code provisions as other citizens..... and by labor law and small claims courts and family court...
is it so hard to understand that we don;t need 2 sets of laws to "protect " people? that we don;t need to seperate people into classes whereby the types of laws used to protect them are determined?
you are arguing that 20 years of sex worker organizing and legal battles don't understand the issues, that we don't know what best would work for us...and for you
25 sex worker organizations across canada representing thousands of sex workers..... i think we have a grasp of the issues and solutions.
No, you are not rediculous , but your claim that what your called legalization led to serial killers running wild is was a rediculous characterization. That Picton guy was able to get away with murders becasue of who he targeted, not becasue the SC had told the cops to stop enforcing prostitution laws.
That is not what i said, i said the opposite...please try to actually read what i wrote
On testing, your claim that only clients are guilty of spreading STDs ("After all, it is the client who presents the risk, not the provider.") is just gaslighting.
Obvioulsy both providers and customers can get STDs and transmit them to the other party. You also made a comment that everybody uses condoms in the industry. I'd suggest taking a look at LeoList, some of the Asian providers seemed to have missed the memo.
Should use a condom...should use a condom....yes to gaslighting...the suggestion that it should be mandatory testing for us is also gaslighting if we put it that way
You also say say that you don't want to share your test results with customers because it contains personal info. That's not how it works in places where it is legal. Can you actually provide any examples of where that happens?
Again, we do not want legalization, we want decriminalization - the holy grail of sex work regulation, everything we want
Legilizations is the answer because it decriminalization is what we had with pot - the police ignored it for the most part but you couldn't open a bank account, you couldn't set-up a store and you couldn't go to the police if someone sold you bad pot, etc.
we are not "pot" we are people, sex work is not similar to selling drugs or an actual drug - we never had decriminalization of pot - it might be considered non enforcement or selective enforcement - decriminaization as it relates to sex work means removal of all criminal code of canada provisions related to sex work. that did not happen for pot, it still hasn't happened for pot - they have legalization, like booze....
sex workers are people, not a commodity....
We already have :lowest level of enforcement here - police not enforcing the sex work laws.... but we and you are still criminalized....
and ...it would be nice to be able to have access to the same business tools as other business owners, operating credit, payment processing..... just like other citizen business owners.
How does decriminalization do anything to target trafficking/underage or other bad behaviour by providers, their employers or clients?
There are laws for that - human trafficking, unlawful confinement, sexual assualt, assault, robbery, child sexual interference, child sexual exploitation, kidnapping, extorition, pedophilia....
children...are not prostitutes....children are not sex workers....so why would we use prostitution laws to punish people who rape or exploit them?
we would like to be "protected" by the same criminal code provisions as other citizens..... and by labor law and small claims courts and family court...
is it so hard to understand that we don;t need 2 sets of laws to "protect " people? that we don;t need to seperate people into classes whereby the types of laws used to protect them are determined?
you are arguing that 20 years of sex worker organizing and legal battles don't understand the issues, that we don't know what best would work for us...and for you
25 sex worker organizations across canada representing thousands of sex workers..... i think we have a grasp of the issues and solutions.
Definition of Decriminalization vs legalization
Contrary to legalization, decriminalization involves repealing criminal provisions against sex work. It allows sex workers to retain power, rather than giving it up to a third party. This means that sex workers can decide how long they work, for whom, with whom, where, and for how much. It affords sex workers agency, something criminalization and legalization do not.
May I ask how decriminalization holds a sex worker legally accountable if they're running a scam, where they may attempt to blackmail you, or have a pimp in the other room to jump you? Would there be a regulatory body of some sort keeping these types of operations incapable from doing more harm?
The answer to your question is so obvious - blackmail and assault are criminal acts - and have nothing to do with the occupation of the instigator.
Sure, and in a lot of fields of work you'd have the right to work with a certain population group revoked for certain criminal acts.
If we can decriminalize sex work - seller and buyer - the clients who were victims of fraud, violence, extortion, robbery, assault.... would be able to report without fear of being arrested or treated badly due to sex buyer status....stigma will still exist and we have been discussing a "third part reporting" process so clients could feel safe and not actually have to give their full name etc to report a crime.... PERB is alot like this already, for those clients who know, you can see reports of scammers, sketchy incalls, boyfriends in closets.... but maybe we could raise awareness of PERB as a tool for clients and exapnd reporting to protect people and hold those responsible accountable.
Recent events involving serious harm to clients have really been difficult. In many ways PERB is more necessary than ever.
love susie
Recent events involving serious harm to clients have really been difficult. In many ways PERB is more necessary than ever.
love susie
You're really splitting hairs here when you say, legalization would mean "giving [power] up to a third party" who is this third party? The government? Doctors/health inspectors?
What exactly makes you think having a legal job would take away your right to choose how to do that job or if you don't want to do it? That's not what a legal job is in Canada, that's slavery you're describing.
Most businesses that deal with health/safety issues are regulated for a reason. Add the fact that you have many vulnerable people drawn into the industry, and having it run by self-interested parties without any oversight sounds like a recipe for disaster.
But what exactly does that mean? Can someone lose their license to be an escort due to, say, assault convictions? Can someone refuse to see a client because they don't like his race?
That part makes a bit of sense. Having clients be able to report when they encounter underage/trafficked girls without risking arrest is certainly a good thing.
Well yes to the first question,if charged and convicted. Not sure if you've been reading the news lately on some male RMT's having been charged with sexual assault. They're not allowed to work, others are pending trial and are not allowed to service female clientele.
As for the second part about race, it would be the same case like any other business probably. How would a business owner who just doesn't want to deal with the BS of dealing with someone who (for example) may not speak English properly? It's a matter of proving that it's racism and as a business where time is money there's no value in dealing with someone who you may not be able to communicate with.
Because this thread is a year old and nobody wants to get an infraction for necro posting like you just got!
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