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?? Why Does Canada Absolutely Need A Governor General ? ?

Mr Quim

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With the resignation of Julie Payette, it really makes Me question the validity of this Position .
Canada has been a sovereign state for over 150 years, so why would We need a representative to the Queen of England ?
What justifies an annual expenditure of $35 Million ?

https://www.gg.ca/en/the-office/annual-reports
Couldn't that money be put to more effective uses ?
It just makes Me wonder, WTF ! ?


Mr Q.

P.S. Julie's appointment was another knee-jerk Justin decision, for those who are counting .

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau-payette-charge-1.4212817
 
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appleomac

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With the resignation of Julie Payette, it really makes Me question the validity of this Position .
Canada has been a sovereign state for over 150 years, so why would We need a representative to the Queen of England ?
What justifies an annual expenditure of $35 Million ?

https://www.gg.ca/en/the-office/annual-reports
Couldn't that money be put to more effective uses ?
It just makes Me wonder, WTF ! ?


Mr Q.

P.S. Julie's appointment was another knee-jerk Justin decision, for those who are counting .
Need a GG, probably not. Why do we have one? Something called the constitution I believe. If you don't want one, get the various governments to change the constitution. True story - it's really hard to change the constitution, so don't hold your breath!

And the GG is NOT a representative to the Queen, the GG is the Queen's representative - big difference.
 

masterpoonhunter

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fuck yea!!!

Lt Gov's too.

Add up all the various costs and there is some serious extra cash that HAHAHAHA maybe could be used to reduce our taxes.
 

Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
Mr Q.

P.S. Julie's appointment was another knee-jerk Justin decision, for those who are counting .
Your kidding right......knee-jerk reaction.....nah...not from Justin dustin....lol
 
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Mr Quim

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Need a GG, probably not. Why do we have one? Something called the constitution I believe. If you don't want one, get the various governments to change the constitution. True story - it's really hard to change the constitution, so don't hold your breath!

And the GG is NOT a representative to the Queen, the GG is the Queen's representative - big difference.
Thanks for the clarification, and raising another point !
If the GG is the Queen's Representative, then why isn't She picking up the $35M Tab ?

Julie held the Position for barely over 3 years, and even though She resigned her post .
She's still entitled to a $150K annual Pension for Life, plus other expenditures . WTF ! ?

https://nationalpost.com/news/polit...ex-gg-perks-including-a-150k-pension-for-life
The Head Justice of the Supreme Court has stepped in temporarily to backfill the GG's functions .
The main function being that of dissolving Parliament . Which is Key when We currently have a Minority Government ready to fall at any time .

They should revisit the Canadian Constitution, and make this adjustment permanent !
I know... good luck . ?

Mr Q.

P.S. Justin should have to answer to this Appointment, and why He sidestepped the Vetting process !
The Skeletons were already falling out of Julie's Closet before his appointing her as GG .



 
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appleomac

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They should revisit the Canadian Constitution, and make this adjustment permanent !
I know... good luck . ?

Mr Q.
What adjustment, making the Chief Justice the GG? Be careful what you wish for!

The Chief Justice steps in because (among other things) the Chief Justice also carries the role/title of Administrator of Canada, which means he/she steps in for the GG when the GG is unavailable. The main role of the GG is NOT dissolving parliament - it's providing Royal Assent for Legislation (albeit it's ceremonial, much like everything the GG does). You cannot have the Chief Justice on a continuing basis sign off (i.e. give Royal Assent) to legislation. That could create a scenario where the Chief Justice has to preside over a case challenging a piece of legislation - which the Chief Justice (albeit in their role of Administrator of Canada and NOT the Chief Justice) signed off on. Long story short, I'm sure a smart lawyer would seek to have the Chief Justice recuse themselves - that's problematic on it's own - in addition to the odd legal optics of a Chief Justice potentially presiding over a challenge to legislation that they signed off on (albeit in a ceremonial role)!

You're either trying to fix something that isn't broken, or trying to save money. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And there's easier ways to save money!
 

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Typically the GG is for ceremonial purposes and receives the PM’s letter when the party wants to dissolve parliament. That’s the easy part.

The difficult part is when all parties are locked and unable to negotiate a workable solution. They would decide to dissolve parliament and order a new election.

The dark side of a GG power goes rogue. Too much info to post and it’s documented on Wiki. The short story is the Australian GG sacked the sitting Labour Party and appointed the Conservatives. If Canada didn’t put in safeguards in 1982 to prevent this type of Crown interference..... well you know it doesn’t end well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam
 

PuntMeister

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DEFUND the Gov Gen!

Pays $20K/yr.
Applicable CPP deductions and employer contributions, just like REAL CANDIANS! Not for entitled drama queens.

We, The People, Do Not Need You and Your Bullshit.

Defund this appointed political figurehead crap, then the Senate.

-Punt.
 

masterpoonhunter

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Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
And now she gets a $150,000 year pension for life! What’s wrong with this picture!
Why am I not surprise.......
Unreal.... got to love the 1%....lol
 

masterpoonhunter

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F U C K

If I wasn't such a happy fucking guy I could get really fucking pissed at all this fucking wasteful shit.
and while we're at it why the FUCK do we need the fucking senate? Bunch of fucking geezers sucking on the public's tit.

F U C K !!!!
 
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F U C K

If I wasn't such a happy fucking guy I could get really fucking pissed at all this fucking wasteful shit.
and while we're at it why the FUCK do we need the fucking senate? Bunch of fucking geezers sucking on the public's tit.

F U C K !!!!
"The Senate . . . was created that the deliberate will, the sober second thought of the people might find expression. It was intended that it should resist the hasty, intemperate, passionate desire of the people."

George Frisbee Hoar, 1897

You can't argue with a guy whose middle name is "Frisbee".
 
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masterpoonhunter

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Haha, nice find uncled.
love that "the sober second thought" line.
Half those fuckers never show up for sessions and the other half may be sober but they're asleep.
 

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The Space Cow just went and proved that this federal position and the provincial Lt. Governor positions should be booted to the back pages of history. Cancel the pensions and payroll of any living person that has been sucking taxpayer money from this entitlement. These positions are only links to the colonial monarchists that brought wrath to our indigenous people. While we are at it can we dump Liz from the coins and bills. After watching the Crown I say cancel that group of incestuous pomps and let Liz and Phil keep 1billion and the rest of the money go to all the indigenous peoples around the world their ancestors fucked over. Turn their properties into tourist attractions and their lands into public parks. Fuck the royalty!
 
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That attitude to fuck things. Well sometimes you need people who have cool heads when crisis comes up.

Here in Canada the power lies with the PM.

He choses his cabinet ministers (who run the government departments), who is going to be a senator, who runs the crown corporations etc. That is alot of power for one person. So the position of the GG is to offset that power. The GG job is for the welfare of the population as a whole despite local politics ect...

The GG is the Commander in Chief of the Military. The military answears to civil authority through the Minister of National Defense., but the head of the military is the GG. An offset of power. So the PM is careful to select an CDS who won't run him through with an bayonet.....:LOL:

Now for the 2 houses. One Elected and One to represent the provinces. Again an offset of power.

For the most part the 2 houses work together. So does the GG and the PM.

The government is set up to prevent a dictator from taking over. So when really dumb fucks say lets get rid of the GG, the senate etc, they don't what the fuck they are talking about.

Checks and Balances......:cool:
 

rlock

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Look at most of the asshole leaders and tyrants in the world, and they are usually the presidents of republics. Fuck republics !

But I'll say this - the most visible part's of the Governor General's job are actually the least important.

Most of what people see is about ceremony and various expressions about Canada's tradition. Presenting Orders of Canada, having ties to the Queen, etc. - this is cultural stuff, but it is not the deeper reason.

The most important is the stuff that never or almost never happens:

There's constitutional role [usually after elections], as PM-wannabes try to form a government (constitutionally, meaning a cabinet with themselves as the leader). Most times, the choice is obvious - but in a minority situation, or when a government falls due to losing "confidence" then a GG or LG is faced with the choice of some new configuration or else calling a new election. The party leaders can ask, but that does not always mean they get. Just look at how Christy Clark's time ended as Premier.

That's the second-most important part. The first most important (and not yet ever used in Canada, thank fuck) is what 80Watt mentioned - the fail-safe against tyranny by a PM.

The Governor General is the actual Commander-In-Chief of Canada's military. Above the PM and Minister of Defence, who may de facto give the orders, but are not at all who the armed forces swear an oath to.
If a PM ever tried to pull something that was an absolute violation of the constitution, a betrayal of the nation, or a grab for pure tyranny, they would need to have the military on board, but the military is not obligated to carry out any order like that.
A Prime Minister is just one more member of cabinet, and can be removed by losing confidence of Parliament at any time. But what if they will not go, or try to usurp Parliament? Well, there is still that one last "fire alarm" that the GG (or the Queen herself) can pull. An order to remove the PM, or just to not obey their orders. If that happens, it is game over. I mean, this is true world-wide of any government - if you lose command of the military you lose power, period. But soldiering is one of those things that depends very much on oaths sworn to the chain of command, so if your actual commander is actually above the wannabe-tyrant, there is no disloyalty to your country if you disobey the fucker. (By contrast, look how close to that level of crisis the US just got. Their oath is to the constitution but the President personifies their state.)

Unfortunately, I think we do have a flaw having a GG and not the actual monarch, in that it falls to the PMs choose reccommend the GG to the monarch. This means that although the tradition is to to choose some kind of eminent non-partisan person, the choice also leans very much on optics (and that's an old tradition too).

Julie Payette was chosen because 1) the [unofficial] tradition was that they alternate between anglophones and francophones, and man and woman, and 2) she was a fucking astronaut, which is about as eminent as you can get. Should they have vetted her better, to detect those "issues" in her past, and predict a possible bad future? Sure. But think about what kind of vetting it takes to become an astronaut in the first place? Massive background checks, massive psychological examinations, a person has to be a team player, and ethically above reproach. I guessing this is what they told themselves instead of vetting her with some sort of deep dive - that NASA standards were so far above their own there's no way the choice could be wrong.

And then, when the bad news began to flow about Payette, they probably told themselves this was just the Conservatives' (media included) usual pissing and moaning about anyone who is francophone or female occupying the GG chair (as they did for Adrienne Clarkson and Michaelle Jean). Well nope, turns out Julie Payette had some very punch skeletons in her closet - perhaps not the usual Ottawa elite sort, but rather the kind you get with an astronaut's hard-driven personality. Not diva behavior, but rather the kind of "ceremonies are stupid, I command you obey, tears are for those who wash out of training" kind of personality. A GG needs some social finesse and diplomatic skill, and instead they hired-blind someone who's as delicate as an anvil.

It's not a terrible mistake, and I don't think it damages the GG office like people say, but they only had to scratch the surface a little bit to have avoided this. Optics only work out if you take a close look yourself.
 
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What shocked me is there are 150 staff working in that office, what the hell could they all be doing besides enjoying their travel and expense accounts.
 
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