It’s pretty stupid this keeps happening, the guy had a warrant and previous violent incidents, wouldn’t listen to the cops, opens the door, could have had a gun on the seat. You would think with his kids in the car and guns pointed at him he would have leaned on his hood with his arms out in front of him. VPD would likely have shot him as well, they have killed for a lot less in this town, wish these criminals would learn obey the law but they seem too stupid. Hope he recovers and gets his shit together!
Another White Cop shoots Black Man
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There is no point debating whether or not the dude had a knife or machine gun in his car, the cops should have ran away and hid behind their cop cars. The public in that state would have been better served.
Cops as institutions ignore the "protect and serve" and "do no harm" for the people they are so eager to shoot. Losing their funding and guns might help change their minds.
The low-IQ adrenaline junkie front line cops aren't going to change even if some of them are fired and charged unless the bodycams are like military real-time feeds where they are directed by superiors that know their heads will also be on the chopping block if they authorize shoot-to-kill.
Police are supposed to back down in a car chase the moment the speed becomes a danger to the public, so the same should apply here.
The over-riding 'danger to the public' in this case is the livelihood of the little shop owners who respond to a police shooting by boarding up their shops, hoping their livelihood is not destroyed.
If there are clear beneficiaries in these cases, it is the big-box stores that get more customers due to the loss of smashed competition and more demand for police services to arrest rioters. Also, since the rioting occurs in democrat-run states and cities, they are hoping to capitalize on the damage by hoping Trump is turfed as a result.
Cops as institutions ignore the "protect and serve" and "do no harm" for the people they are so eager to shoot. Losing their funding and guns might help change their minds.
The low-IQ adrenaline junkie front line cops aren't going to change even if some of them are fired and charged unless the bodycams are like military real-time feeds where they are directed by superiors that know their heads will also be on the chopping block if they authorize shoot-to-kill.
Police are supposed to back down in a car chase the moment the speed becomes a danger to the public, so the same should apply here.
The over-riding 'danger to the public' in this case is the livelihood of the little shop owners who respond to a police shooting by boarding up their shops, hoping their livelihood is not destroyed.
If there are clear beneficiaries in these cases, it is the big-box stores that get more customers due to the loss of smashed competition and more demand for police services to arrest rioters. Also, since the rioting occurs in democrat-run states and cities, they are hoping to capitalize on the damage by hoping Trump is turfed as a result.
You realize that Blake was armed? Even someone with your low IQ would defend yourself if you weren't frozen by panic. Cops were justified. The cops tried to control him with physical force, a taser and had to shoot him when he armed himself with a knife. FYI, an aggressive man with a knife who you've been struggling with is a danger to the public. Too bad you can't accept that.
It's clear to me you've never been in a fight because you have shown you have no idea how unpredictable, dynamic and dangerous it can be.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/202...a-knife-when-he-was-shot-by-a-police-officer/
Also FYI, even Canadian police can still pursue at high rates of speed if the people in the vehicle are a danger to the public. This happened about a year ago in Surrey when two thugs killed a man in south Surrey. The mounties pursued.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/one-person-injured-in-shooting-near-south-surrey-mall/
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If a person does not follow orders of a police officer and the police officer think his or her life and other people’s life is in danger, police officer can use reasonable force to deal with the situation.
You were not at the scene or involved in the incident and either am I. So let’s just let their justice system sort it out. There is a court system for a reason.
And contrary to what a lot of people think, police officers are not eager to shoot people.
Did you bother reading news or watch the clips from the cop kneeling on the black guy’a neck?
The black guy was clearly NOT complying....
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LOL! You need to stop getting your "news" from social media. The warrant was for 3rd degree sexual assault. Just like most jurisdictions in the US, Wisconsin court records are publicly available...
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details#records
As you can clearly see, he was charged under state statute 940 dealing with sexual assault and NOT state statute 948 (which deals with crimes against children, including sexual assault of a child).
Wisconsin state statute 940...
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/940/II/225
Wisconsin state statute 948...
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/02
Seriously mate, this took me less than 3 minutes to find - you need to stop spreading falsehoods and learn to do some simple research!
My understanding is that cops everywhere are trained to fire their weapon if they feel their life is in danger, and basically fire until their target is disarmed (hence they can't tell the difference between one shot and seven shots in the back as long as he's still standing). There are probably scenarios in this case where appropriate force was used, but given what is publicly available, it doesn't look good for cops.
Police reform is definitely needed, and to be quite honest, it has been needed for quite some time now, probably dating back to mid 90s. The last time there was a major shift in policing was during the height of the "crack pandemic" or "war on drugs". Police were instructed to be menacing, and stop/search anyone with remotely any "just" cause as a means to bust someone for drugs. They jailed tons of people for minor offences (let's not get started with private prison industry either), but more often than not people were intimidated for little to no reason because cops had quotas to fill. I'm not here to argue the necessity or effective of policing in that era, but needless to say the policing attitude in the States have not changed to this day. The only difference now is with the advancement of technology, events like this are easier brought to the light of public.
There's a good chance I'm going to get backlash from saying the following, but the fact that we can sit here and try to end racism, says a lot about how much we've advanced as a society in such a short time. We don't have to be worried about going hungry, not having clean water to drink, not having a basic education, etc. I don't have numbers in front of me but I would estimate somewhere between 10-20% of the world population still live in extreme poverty, and do have to worry about the aforementioned things. I'm grateful that these are the "worst" things about the society we live in (I actually think there are things that are more worthwhile to improve as a society, but nonetheless I'm happy that we are progressing here as it is one of the bigger issues still). There's ALWAYS going to be something that ANY society will struggle with, because that is how progress is made. Embrace it, folks.
Police reform is definitely needed, and to be quite honest, it has been needed for quite some time now, probably dating back to mid 90s. The last time there was a major shift in policing was during the height of the "crack pandemic" or "war on drugs". Police were instructed to be menacing, and stop/search anyone with remotely any "just" cause as a means to bust someone for drugs. They jailed tons of people for minor offences (let's not get started with private prison industry either), but more often than not people were intimidated for little to no reason because cops had quotas to fill. I'm not here to argue the necessity or effective of policing in that era, but needless to say the policing attitude in the States have not changed to this day. The only difference now is with the advancement of technology, events like this are easier brought to the light of public.
There's a good chance I'm going to get backlash from saying the following, but the fact that we can sit here and try to end racism, says a lot about how much we've advanced as a society in such a short time. We don't have to be worried about going hungry, not having clean water to drink, not having a basic education, etc. I don't have numbers in front of me but I would estimate somewhere between 10-20% of the world population still live in extreme poverty, and do have to worry about the aforementioned things. I'm grateful that these are the "worst" things about the society we live in (I actually think there are things that are more worthwhile to improve as a society, but nonetheless I'm happy that we are progressing here as it is one of the bigger issues still). There's ALWAYS going to be something that ANY society will struggle with, because that is how progress is made. Embrace it, folks.
There will be changes coming somewhere down the line I'm sure. Like G pointed out above the advancement
of technology has brought so much of this to the limelight it does seems like an epidemic out of proportion
totally. Before all the tech, cell phones, social media, computers etc you got what you got by radio
and tv, newspapers and letters. Maybe by short wave radio if you had one.
How much did we really know about all this before those most simple of technologies
were invented. Specifically, radio or tv. WAY before internet and computers or cellphones.
You might have barely known racial inequality and racism were among us except if you
were living it in reality in your own community.
I sit and think about all this sometimes and it really bewilders me that we can produce all this fantastic
technology but we struggle so badly when it comes to people who don't have the same skin colour
as ourselves even today here in the 21st century.
mind blowing indeed.
Oh and thank goodness we are that lucky to have clean drinking water , enough to eat
or basic education where so many other countries do not.
.......................QM'r
of technology has brought so much of this to the limelight it does seems like an epidemic out of proportion
totally. Before all the tech, cell phones, social media, computers etc you got what you got by radio
and tv, newspapers and letters. Maybe by short wave radio if you had one.
How much did we really know about all this before those most simple of technologies
were invented. Specifically, radio or tv. WAY before internet and computers or cellphones.
You might have barely known racial inequality and racism were among us except if you
were living it in reality in your own community.
I sit and think about all this sometimes and it really bewilders me that we can produce all this fantastic
technology but we struggle so badly when it comes to people who don't have the same skin colour
as ourselves even today here in the 21st century.
mind blowing indeed.
Oh and thank goodness we are that lucky to have clean drinking water , enough to eat
or basic education where so many other countries do not.
.......................QM'r
The video MS Hunter put up. That is a Trump supporter, using socialism as the bad/evil thing. Canada is a socialist countries, most countries in Europe are socialist. Why because they have health care, an welfare system, Employment system- a social net for people to far back on in tough times. That is why they are considered socialist. The socialism that Russia had was totatarism, where the ruling class rules through fear, secret police and where people disappear.
Elected officials in the US have stands on items, no hidden agendas.
So the video starts off sounding right, but evertually entices you to support Trump . Just like a German Nazi proproganda film.....
There are enough dumb, uneducated, inbreed white people with guns in the US states, who will believe people that are telling them lies... to start a civil war.
Videos don't tell the whole story.
Conversation with any person of Colour, there seems to be a phase, being handed out "systemic racism" today.
What is Systemic/institutional racism?
Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other factors.
Sure is, its what left over from the British Empire, Slavery was abolished in most countries by 1900. But there are still bits and pieces of it hanging around.... equal rights bill in US 1965. Civil rights movement 54-68 in US. We today are less than 55 years from the equal rights movement. In Canada it is 1981 (Charter of Rights and Freedoms). Most coloured people (brown, black, yellow) will tell you of some type of racial sterotyping or encounter they had with police or an authority of some type. It leaves me to think, are they playing the victim? I see a certain amount of truth in their claims, but some of them are questionable (as are being paranoid?). A guilty conscious when stopped by the police. Even white people are nervous when stopped by the police.
But all that "systemic racism" still does not give any man a reason to walk away from a lawful order of the police or try to run away when he is being arrested.... The police still have their job to do, upholding the law.
This comes down again to police training, situational awareness and common dog fuck. And shit happens at the most unexpected times (universal law called murphy's law).
I don't agree with defunding the police, I do agree with social programs to help the poor and to "help them help themselves".
Elected officials in the US have stands on items, no hidden agendas.
So the video starts off sounding right, but evertually entices you to support Trump . Just like a German Nazi proproganda film.....
There are enough dumb, uneducated, inbreed white people with guns in the US states, who will believe people that are telling them lies... to start a civil war.
Videos don't tell the whole story.
Conversation with any person of Colour, there seems to be a phase, being handed out "systemic racism" today.
What is Systemic/institutional racism?
Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other factors.
Sure is, its what left over from the British Empire, Slavery was abolished in most countries by 1900. But there are still bits and pieces of it hanging around.... equal rights bill in US 1965. Civil rights movement 54-68 in US. We today are less than 55 years from the equal rights movement. In Canada it is 1981 (Charter of Rights and Freedoms). Most coloured people (brown, black, yellow) will tell you of some type of racial sterotyping or encounter they had with police or an authority of some type. It leaves me to think, are they playing the victim? I see a certain amount of truth in their claims, but some of them are questionable (as are being paranoid?). A guilty conscious when stopped by the police. Even white people are nervous when stopped by the police.
But all that "systemic racism" still does not give any man a reason to walk away from a lawful order of the police or try to run away when he is being arrested.... The police still have their job to do, upholding the law.
This comes down again to police training, situational awareness and common dog fuck. And shit happens at the most unexpected times (universal law called murphy's law).
I don't agree with defunding the police, I do agree with social programs to help the poor and to "help them help themselves".
The reason I posted the video is because I think she did a good job pointing out the similarities of how the media fueled the division and destruction in her country and what is now happening in the US. I am not a Trump supporter.
My Yugoslavian friends were the first people who awakened me (nearly 20 years ago) to how the media is used to sway public opinion.
My Yugoslavian friends were the first people who awakened me (nearly 20 years ago) to how the media is used to sway public opinion.
yes the 7 minutes long kneeling (that resulted in asphyxiation) made the black guy comply?
7 bullets into someone's back is now the new go to method for compliance for blacks?????
Funny how the Trump Supporters on this forum bring up socialism as being such an evil thing. Any political thinking if mixed with a tyrannical dictator is evil. All dictators are not socialists. Some are as conservative as you can get.
I think the next time Canadian Trump Supporters go to the doctor they should offer to pay the full fee for service. That will not happen because they are hypocrits.
Trump by virtual of his selective decisions to ignore the law when he chooses and then apply the law when he sees fit when it aligns to his capitalistic racist and political view, is the start of a dictatorship. America is doomed.
The cops look incompetent in the video. Like keystone cops or a Benny Hill skit.
The cops first priority instead of waving guns around should have been to clear the public from the area in case of an errant shot from them or if the dude got a gun from the car.
Next, the cops should have focused on tackling him while he had no weapon before he got the car door open.
The one cop at the back could have ran around to the other side of the car to prevent the guy from going into the car or went to the passenger door to see if it was open, or smash in the window and open the door.
The cops could have slammed the door on him and prevented him from exiting, closing the door, or allow him to turn and fight.
Even if the guy was going to get a weapon, a knife or gun, they would have been better off to wait it out and let the guy take his next move. If he drove off, the cops would have had all the time in the world to catch him later.
If he came out with a gun or knife, the cops should have retreated, got the public to safety and used their own bodies as human shields.
The black dude from Wisconsin was walking to his SUV where his 3 kids were ignoring the cops with their guns pointing at his back. The video shows the cop's gun was less than a foot away.
The little white dude was a 17-year old that shot two people at a protest.
This case is literally the stereotypical case of the fat dorky kid that gets bullied in high school growing up to be the psycho cop who then guns down any cool (ethic) guy that got all the pussy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0200826-xdww3peuj5ddbimcj4vikx63y4-story.html
Fatty Rittenhouse just got too excited and wasn't patient enough to grow up to be the next homicidal cop.
All these discussions. You forgetting the his three children shaw there father murder by white police man who shot person from back. Who in right mind can justify shooting person from back and your life is in danger?
Life is scared gift . Should not be destroyed. If you black in USA life has very little value!!
Life is scared gift . Should not be destroyed. If you black in USA life has very little value!!
You've supplied even more evidence you've never been in a violent situation and have no idea how to handle yourself or what the cops are allowed to do. You've also showed you've never had to execute a dynamic plan involving people of any sort. It's easy to sit back and make an academic exercise of it after the fact. Real life is different and more dangerous. Let him drive away with a knife and kids in a vehicle after he's shown he's violent? I posted a link that showed that not even Canadian cops allow that.
Probably not your fault you think like a coward. You probably grew up in a good neighborhood and never had to deal with bad guys.
Rittenhouse had no reason to be where he was. He was an agitator, and should be charged with murder. Going down to a protest armed with a rifle shows premeditation.
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You missed the part where he refused to get into the police car, but okay I guess refusing to get into a police car after being told by police means complying, then your right.
Police officers do not have the luxury of looking at their actions after the fact and see which way is better.
What you listed would be perfect in a perfect world, but nothing ever is perfect in the real world.
I would like to see people that criticize the police so much on how they deal with people not listening to police officers to actually experience being a police officer...I guarantee your opinions will change after being in the police officer’s shoes for a day.
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Since I was trained in martial arts by an RCMP officer and subsequently I have trained other officers over a couple decades, I likely have a bit more refined perspective that my previous observations can rest on. Any resort to physical force means a failed attempt at de-escalation (or no attempt). That is why police bodycams should be mandatory.
Cops don't get enough training, so of course they want to go straight to the gun. It takes longer than the few months to nail down effective restraint techniques, effectively use pressure points, execute winning ground-fighting moves. If you can't get the job done inside 15 seconds, you've lost.
I would make their training a minimum of 2 years, and not allow them to wear guns for their first 5 years, and force them to radio in for authorization to use lethal force when they do have to go get their gun.
Cops generally speaking do have a mentality of "us" versus "them", and they join because it is generally exciting and they get to pound ass and brag about it at cop parties. Cops don't sit around and do retrospectives and analyze what went wrong and how to do their job with less violence, instead they go the other direction and figure out how to justify up front a perp so they get to use their gun. This guy had priors, so they had a negative profile on which to hope they could inflame the situation to deteriorate to a point where they would get to use their gun and later be confident it would be justified and they would get a pat on the back.
Every encounter you have with a cop, even if it is a ticket, they have an informal off-the-record notes field attached to your name so if you mouth off to a cop, the NEXT time you are stopped, the cop sees that profile and treats you like garbage and hopes you react even worse. A lot of cops deliberately try to figure out how to escalate encounters so they can build up a basis to pound you into the ground.
It's unfortuate that the lesson these police forces need to learn will take a long time because they don't like being told what to do.
Another point of perspective includes personal interaction with police missings persons reports spanning the time the Pickton murders occurred, and watching police testify and lie in court. Also, one only has to listen to a few dozen providers talk about their interactions with police to get yet another view. For anyone to say police should be given the benefit of the doubt, they need to see first hand how culturally corrupt they are as an entity.
They are many fine individual police officers inside, but they are rendered impotent by their environment and history. Consider an airline that crashes one flight out 1,000; they get shut down until the fix is in place and public confidence is restore. One does not say "Oh, but look at all the non-crashes! One little accident, why, that is a rare outlier!"
It is not a matter of being "for" or "against" cops, its a matter of seeing an issue, identifying the problem then fixing it, then repeat.
You're a fraud.
The complex I live in happens to have a lot of police officers that I talk to in the gym. They are not what you describe.
No guns until 5 years of service? You're lucky to find a patrol officer that has 5 years service. Patrol is where they start. After 5 years, the large majority of them have cycled off the street into other sections. There are over 390 million guns in the US, and you have the lame brain idea that cops should not have a firearm on them? Even in Canada, there are over 12 million firearms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
If police officers have such a terrible attitude, why do you hang around them?
You claim they are culturally corrupt, yet you say you've trained police officers for decades.
Radio in for authorization to use their gun? Further proof that you don't know what you're talking about. Cops are often placed in a reactionary situation and the average gunfight lasts 3 seconds.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...orner-cornered-how-do-you-win-a-gunfight.html
You're a fraud, and I stand by my claim you've never been in a fight or had to organize people to execute a dynamic plan.
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