Kobe Bryant RIP

[Miss Hunter]

a woman did, from the washington post, they suspended her over it, a tweet

It seems in this day and age it’s perfectly acceptable to accuse men of sexual assault & sexual harassment without any evidence and have lynch mobs back you up but when there is evidence and perpetrator pays off the victim everyone is expected to stfu about it.

Humans confuse me...

 

[masterblaster]

Too bad he and his daughter died in an accident, but people die every day. To my way of thinking nobody mourns their passing, so I don’t get all the hoopla about his death. I mostly remember his sexual assault case, so to me that takes the bloom off the rose.

 

[Lady Vanessa]

R.I.P to this man and the other lives who perished along with him in this unfortunate accident.
I would have figured those responding would leave their regards to resting in peace in their own way.
However, it pains me to read the blatant disregard of a young man who worked DAMN hard to make a life for himself as a child and propel himself to greatness as an adult. Athlete, father, philanthropist, humatarian, Academy winner etc...etc...
Of course when any person who has been successful in life is going to be grieved hard by a mass following. What nerve for any of you to take that away.
None of us are saints, have a clean slate of perfection in life, or have never had a fall from grace. His rape and cheating allegations will be buried along with him and should not be the focus. Nobody will ever know what happened that night, but that then 19yr old Woman and Kobe. As a prolific person, his life was under every grace and scrutiny.
His own wife forgave him and you people who never met this man have so much negativity to spew is unfortunate.
This man had mad heart, goals, love for his and others. And I know he will REST IN PARADISE. Along with his prodigy GiGi, that he believed and loved in wholeheartedly...as a YOUNG WOMAN. Bless the other 7 souls aboard and their loved ones.
May none of you take life for granted and stop casting stones at a glass wall. And may no one feel the need to spit on your graves, as you are to Kobe Bryant.

 

[BobbyMcgee]

thank you Vanessa.
millions fans, college players, every sport pros and especially the NBA mourn his loss, the entire entertainment industry, his extended family and close friends, but most importantly the loss of a child sister husband and dad will be agonizing as they cannot escape his legacy, nor will they want to my guess. four other families, including a dad mom and daughter, tragically will have their own large circle of grief. to all of them love and compassion.

 

[80watts]

There are 7 billion people in the world and most don't know who Kobe Bryant was, and probably don't care...
Its a sad death, but the media has overplayed it because of his star status.
Kobe got the chance at fame and fortune, unfortunately there were 4 kids onboard that same flight, who will not get those chances. If you are looking for tragedy that is the biggest one. And the thing is most people in the world don't care......

 

[VanessainVictoria]

Yes, well said Vanessa.

 

[Lady Vanessa]

I appreciate you Bobby and Vanessa for acknowledging my post reply.

Folks seem to forget they're in the age of immediate media and the internet is vast and so damn quick to respond to every day moves and news.
Media will "over play" and focus on a public figure who has high achievement, success, wealth, fame, fortune and even infamously degredation.
No one is to say how others should grieve, even if they never knew that person. MEDIA allowed us to know these people.
Kobe's father was an NBA player. It was Kobe's want and will to achieve that, not chance.
Kobe worked for each and every opportunityhe gained. NOT chance. Lives can go the distance and lives can be cut short. Each of those children onboard were striving for their own opportunity to achieve greatness. Sadly, their opportunity was cut short.
If any of y'all want your own greatness, create it. No need to type blasphemous towards others who garnered that for themselves.

Prime example right here in the Lounge. Neil Peart passed and not a post until 3 days later. *shrugs*

 

[BobbyMcgee]

I see things in a much different light, in the sense that I could give a damn about the man being an athlete, nor a celebrity. Frankly, I find it off-putting the focus on the celebrity rather than the flawed individual - but it would appear everyone is a hero in death...

Another difference in my view is the fact that this man's actions have lead to the death, not only of himself, but to those also on the rotorcraft. You've got a rich fellow who owns a helicopter; who decides that he must go flying on this day, at this time, because he MUST. The weather was marginal, at best, and for all we know the pilot probably mentioned this or at least considered it himself. Sure, there is some amount of blame to be laid at the feet of the pilot in command - for the burden of command is entirely upon him; as all pilots know. As a matter of fact, I will guarantee that the pilot is castigated fiercely in the report that is eventually released by the NTSB. There will be passing mention of possible pressure applied by the owner of the rotorcraft; but in the end the pilot will be blamed wholly. The lawyers will of course appreciate this immensely, and will do as much as possible to bankrupt his estate - because Kobe would be smart enough to protect his wealth and assets (just as he had done with the helicopter, having it registered to a holding company).

This is neither the first time, nor the last, that a wealthy or famous individual has put in motion events leading to the loss of life of innocent people. I just hope people can eventually see this accident for what it was...

OK here goes.
Buddy of mine is very close to an assistant coach in Mamba athletics, who has been on Kobe’s helicopter 100+ times. Kobe has flown in this particular craft thousands of times over the last decade. His “regular” pilot has made public his take. The margin of error by the ACTUAL PILOT that day was in the realm of 10 seconds to adjust from visual, to visual and instrument, to total instrument flight control and he delayed. Upon crashing, the helicopter was doing almost 300K and accelerating, as well was descending at a rate of 1200ft per minute. Why, BECAUSE the pilot had become flight disoriented and thought he was ACTUALLY climbing. This particular route through Topanga canyon and Calabasas is very steep with hills and gets hourly on and off marine layer that is incredibly thick. IF YOU THINK that Bryant in any way was arrogant, risky or being an a hole for allowing his helicopter to put the lives of nine people and five different families, including his dearest child, in a huge life and death risk situation without a care you are the one being arrogant, presumptuous and an uninformed self righteous person.

 

[BobbyMcgee]

ps Kobe’s estate is north of $600M. there will be no bankruptcy and you have no clue how his estate will be involved in care and support of every affected individual as YOU DON’T KNOW any of this scenario other than your ASSUMPTIONS.

 

[Shakerod]

It seems in this day and age it’s perfectly acceptable to accuse men of sexual assault & sexual harassment without any evidence and have lynch mobs back you up but when there is evidence and perpetrator pays off the victim everyone is expected to stfu about it.

Humans confuse me...

He said, “ He didn’t think it was rape at the time, but he realized later that it was.“ Kind of an admission of guilt, but more like “we need to admit some guilt to justify paying her money.”

 

[BobbyMcgee]

He said, “ He didn’t think it was rape at the time, but he realized later that it was.“ Kind of an admission of guilt, but more like “we need to admit some guilt to justify paying her money.”

Civil vs Criminal
US vs Canada
she settled for in excess of $2.5M (civil court rape max)
sadly, for any victim in Canada that’s $2.5M more than they will ever see
his admission was also a part of his civil case restitution
RIP kobe gigi and all seven others

 

[jgg]

...And may no one feel the need to spit on your graves...

I'm inviting those who don't like me to come dance on my grave. I'm going to be buried at sea.

 

[jgg]

ps Kobe’s estate is north of $600M. there will be no bankruptcy and you have no clue how his estate will be involved in care and support of every affected individual as YOU DON’T KNOW any of this scenario other than your ASSUMPTIONS.

I believe he means the pilot's estate will be bankrupted.

And yes, the pilot in command is always responsible.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I believe he means the pilot's estate will be bankrupted.

And yes, the pilot in command is always responsible.

It’s always a shock, and tragedy when someone is killed suddenly, especially when young, but the tragedy is normally felt by the surviving family, and close friends.

We don't have to vilify them in death, but neither should we glorify and forget their faults.

The question we should be asking, is why the deaths of strangers, whom we only know peripherally by their celebrity, and/or actions in their chosen fields, impacts so many people so drastically?

 

[overdone]

Prime example right here in the Lounge. Neil Peart passed and not a post until 3 days later. *shrugs*[/FONT][/B]

virtually no one even knew who Neil Peart is/was, just reality

and

can I get a heads up for your instant grieving when Harvey goes? lol


you can't have it both ways

wrong is wrong

He didn't pay her out of the goodness of his heart

any more than buying that huge baseball diamond for his wife not to take half his money :eyebrows:

he could throw a basketball, hardly worth the praise being spewed out of all those lacking in basic character in our society layball:

 

[BobbyMcgee]

virtually no one even knew who Neil Peart is/was, just reality

and

can I get a heads up for your instant grieving when Harvey goes? lol


you can't have it both ways

wrong is wrong

He didn't pay her out of the goodness of his heart

any more than buying that huge baseball diamond for his wife not to take half his money :eyebrows:

he could throw a basketball, hardly worth the praise being spewed out of all those lacking in basic character in our society layball:

and you’ve met him... kinda ironic on this forum no? his eldest is 17 and people say he is such an amazing father to his four girls. he’s been married 19 years
and given the infidelity and criminal records of thousands of pro athletes i’d say he wouldn’t be getting the global adulation if his life was one big farse. magic would have got it, aids, jordan would have got it gambling addiction. the response that his death has generated, spans globally and ranges from little kids to grandparents, from the poor to the rich and famous. very few of his age and era would be getting this so YA i’d say it’s warranted deserved and spot in for his family, community and all realms of entertainment. ps- it’s Kobe’s specific “character” outside of his affair and civil suit that is generating this global phenomena. you shoot a basketball by the way.

 

[steverino]

Not a lot of athletes have gone on to win an Academy Award. Bryant, who retired from the N.B.A. in 2016, was involved in turning a poem he wrote into a film, “Dear Basketball,” that won the prize for best animated short. While I don't think his life is more valuable than others, his competitiveness and will to win has inspired a generation of athletes. He is flawed, who isn't. He impacted others in a way few others of his generation have managed to accomplish so I understand the outpouring of emotion and reaction to his death.

 

[Cock Throppled]

you shoot a basketball by the way.

You only "shoot" for baskets. The rest of the time is spent holding the ball, dribbling or throwing.

 

[Miss Hunter]

It’s always a shock, and tragedy when someone is killed suddenly, especially when young, but the tragedy is normally felt by the surviving family, and close friends.

We don't have to vilify them in death, but neither should we glorify and forget their faults.

The question we should be asking, is why the deaths of strangers, whom we only know peripherally by their celebrity, and/or actions in their chosen fields, impacts so many people so drastically?

That's a great question CT. I've often wondered the same thing. Since I was a child I've never been able to wrap my mind around the average person's obsession and fascination with celebrities.

 

[innocuous]

Kobe was so proud to be a “girls dad”. It didn’t stop him from raping another dad’s girl though.