2019 Election thread

[storm rider]

What is interesting is that even if the Conservatives win more seats than the Liberals, if they don't have a majority, the Liberals (because they are the party currently in power) has the first opportunity to woo the other parties with seats and try to create an agreement that allows the Liberals to stay in power. This could be simply thru an agreement to perhaps agree to support some of the election planks put forward by those other parties or through an official coalition (less likely). And since none of the other parties seem to be freinds with the Conservatives, the Conservatives better hope that they win a majority or else they are very likely to be left out in the cold (in opposition).

My apologies if someone else has stated the same previously in this thread.

JD

You are incorrect,the party with the most seats even if it is a Minority government gets the first chance to form government as per what happened when Harper won a Minority government and the trio of ass clowns being Dion/Layton/Duceppe tried to HIJACK government with a coalition.Harper pro-rogued Parliament and public opinion was on his side in that it was "we did not vote for this gang of assholes".

If Scheer wins a Minority government and the Lieberals/NDP/Bloc try to gang up and HIJACK government again then Scheer will Pro-rogue Parliament with the message of "do you want another election"?

The Lieberals cant afford another election most especially since Prince Trudeau had to have 2 planes for this campaign....one for himself and his entourage and a second plane for the media and his propaganda cargo.

Financially the NDP are dead broke and have most likely mortgaged their headquarters to pay for this hustings and the party will be in the BLACK at the end of the hustings.

As for the Green party dont even bother to ask about money.....they are so skint for cash as a party for this election I doubt they would even have lawn signs for candidates if another election were called.

If the Conservatives win a Minority government the Lieberals will hold their noses and prop them up.

If that is the case both Trudeau and Singh will both face a leadership review and I bet money on both of them being tossed.Should Singh lose a leadership review he will most likely continue in politics and feed at the trough.Should Trudeau lose a leadership review he will most likely sulk and then quit as he cant have his cake and eat it.

SR

 

[overdone]

What is interesting is that even if the Conservatives win more seats than the Liberals, if they don't have a majority, the Liberals (because they are the party currently in power) has the first opportunity to woo the other parties with seats and try to create an agreement that allows the Liberals to stay in power. This could be simply thru an agreement to perhaps agree to support some of the election planks put forward by those other parties or through an official coalition (less likely). And since none of the other parties seem to be freinds with the Conservatives, the Conservatives better hope that they win a majority or else they are very likely to be left out in the cold (in opposition).

My apologies if someone else has stated the same previously in this thread.

JD

that isn't the norm, it never has been

because we've always had politicians with the least bit of ethics

you win the most seats you get first crack at forming government

only those lacking real ethics wouldn't let that happen

if they then lose the confidence after the house sits

then the other parties could go to the Governor General and ask for the opportunity to govern

I don't believe that has ever happened either

usually there is an election call

that's the norm, not the last government stays even when they didn't win the most seats

sure it can happen, if your party has no ethics

 

[marsvolta]

I guess most European governments lack ethics then.

Ps. Still looks like 2/3s of Canadians will not vote Conservative

 

[storm rider]

I guess most European governments lack ethics then.

The European Union is as corrupt as it gets.The only thing worse is say a Socialist Dictatorship like Venezueala which has had in it's kung-fu grip for close to 2 decades.

Unelected bureaucrats in Brussels telling a British Farmer how much food he can grow or how many fish a British fisherman can catch is just plain fucked.


Britain should go for at hard BREXIT and conduct trade matters under WTO rules until trade agreements can be made.

SR

 

[clu]

If that is the case both Trudeau and Singh will both face a leadership review and I bet money on both of them being tossed.Should Singh lose a leadership review he will most likely continue in politics and feed at the trough.Should Trudeau lose a leadership review he will most likely sulk and then quit as he cant have his cake and eat it.

That's not a hard one to work out: if the Liberals lose, Trudeau will lose the leadership review because he'd have taken the party on a downward trajectory. Meanwhile Singh will pass the review because he'll be credited with the NDP picking up a portion of the voters who abandoned the Liberals, so he'll be credited for them gaining ground. Singh's future is less certain only if the Liberals win a majority again.

 

[JimDandy]

To SR and overdone:

You are both incorrect and I am right !!! Read the following article by The Star, who I'm sure have a lot larger research budget than you do lol:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...t-can-happen-if-no-party-wins-a-majority.html

Specifically the following paragraph:

"... even if the Conservatives win more seats than the Liberals, Justin Trudeau will still have the first opportunity to form the next government. This, Legassé said, is because Trudeau is still technically the prime minister. He didn’t lose the gig when Parliament dissolved for the election, so if his Liberals survive a confidence vote in the House, they can carry on as Canada’s federal government.".

If you can find a real source that refutes my source, we can discuss further.

So unless the Conservatives can get the Bloc or the NDP to side with them (highly unlikely), you better get used to having Justin Trudeau as you prime minister for a while yet lol.

JD

 

[JimDandy]

Obama endorses Trudeau!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/obama-trudeau-endorsement-1.5323097

JD

 

[wetnose]

What do you expect from an American citizen....disgusting.

https://twitter.com/MarcGarneau/status/1184468914123751424

 

[storm rider]

To SR and overdone:

You are both incorrect and I am right !!! Read the following article by The Star, who I'm sure have a lot larger research budget than you do lol:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...t-can-happen-if-no-party-wins-a-majority.html

Specifically the following paragraph:

"... even if the Conservatives win more seats than the Liberals, Justin Trudeau will still have the first opportunity to form the next government. This, Legassé said, is because Trudeau is still technically the prime minister. He didn’t lose the gig when Parliament dissolved for the election, so if his Liberals survive a confidence vote in the House, they can carry on as Canada’s federal government.".

If you can find a real source that refutes my source, we can discuss further.

So unless the Conservatives can get the Bloc or the NDP to side with them (highly unlikely), you better get used to having Justin Trudeau as you prime minister for a while yet lol.

JD

I do concede the matter.When the last "coalition" government tried to seize power was when Harper was the incumbant PM so he had the power to Prorougue Parliament.

Should the Lieberals just get a Minority and ask the NDP to prop them up Jagmeet Singh will ask for the Cabinet post of Deputy PM and try and squeeze as many cabinet positions as he can.If he really gets greedy Singh will ask for Senate appointments.So as to get the NDP's foot in the door.The trouble is that the Lieberals dont like to share the power as well as the cronyism/kickbacks that they dole out.A Lieberal propped NDP government would last a year at most.


On the bright side with the rise of both the Bloc and the NDP there is a huge chance vote splitting could lead to a CPC Majority.

There is always hope.

SR

 

[Ray]

On the bright side with the rise of both the Bloc and the NDP there is a huge chance vote splitting could lead to a CPC Majority.

CPC and PPC are splitting the Conservative vote too.

 

[storm rider]

CPC and PPC are splitting the Conservative vote too.

You are delusional at best.The PPC under Bernier is not going the split any vote.If you cant see that the guy is doing best to save his own ass well then please no longer competant to have a discussion with.

There is always hope but I fear Ontario and Quebec will come through to give the Libs a minority. The NDP will support them and Jagmeet will insist on cancelling TMX pipeline. Time for Alberta to leave Canada.

When push comes to shove Alberta should have pushed back some 20 years back.Alberta has been the backbone of Canada for decades.Even after the failed idiotic Trudeau NEP and now the NEP 2.0 under a new Trudeau.If Quebec can vote to leave Confederation Alberta should be able to do so as well.....and take it's recources as well.No more unbalanced transfer payments....in 5 years Alberta would be debt free again and then stacking up the cashola.

SR

 

[licks2nite]

Barack Obama endorses Justin Trudeau

Is there video of Obama meeting with Trudeau? Otherwise, this could just be a manufactured tweet from Obama Headquarters.
~anonymous Internet poster

 

[testicles]

By rights, Obama should be as politically radioactive as George W. Obama made a mess in Libya like Bush did in Iraq.

 

[overdone]

I guess most European governments lack ethics then.

Ps. Still looks like 2/3s of Canadians will not vote Conservative

we don't share the same system as MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES

To SR and overdone:

You are both incorrect and I am right !!! Read the following article by The Star, who I'm sure have a lot larger research budget than you do lol:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...t-can-happen-if-no-party-wins-a-majority.html

Specifically the following paragraph:

"... even if the Conservatives win more seats than the Liberals, Justin Trudeau will still have the first opportunity to form the next government. This, Legassé said, is because Trudeau is still technically the prime minister. He didn’t lose the gig when Parliament dissolved for the election, so if his Liberals survive a confidence vote in the House, they can carry on as Canada’s federal government.".

If you can find a real source that refutes my source, we can discuss further.

So unless the Conservatives can get the Bloc or the NDP to side with them (highly unlikely), you better get used to having Justin Trudeau as you prime minister for a while yet lol.

JD

I never said it couldn't happen, I said it wasn't the NORM

or can you find one example in our history where a PM didn't relinquish power when they didn't win the most seats?

this good enough for a reference to how

https://www.ourcommons.ca/About/Compendium/ParliamentaryFramework/c_d_politicalpartiescanada-e.htm


5th paragraph, "usually" ie, the norm

again, can you point to one time when in Canada's history it didn't happen

and the unethical PM who tried to stay in power with less seats?

who didn't respect the electorate?

Bueller? anyone? anyone?

just look at what happened in New Brunswick recently, the Liberal leader mouthed off about what you suggest, fortunately he respected the vote, which his party didn't receive the most seats

you don't get the most seats, you vote out the minority, the way it's always been done before, then you could go to the Governor General and tell them you could form a government

but again, the NORM is to have a new election after you defeat the gov't in a confidence vote

Quoting the Toronto Star, you might as well be quoting Fox News, they have no cred, they're the left version of Fox, biased beyond belief

why do you think they brought up Turdeau clinging to power at any cost

only an completely unethical POS would suggest doing what they are suggesting

vote them down first, you don't cling to power when you didn't receive the most seats

it's unethical


here's a basic of the list over the yrs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Canada_by_time_in_office

point it out where it happened?

I can't see anyone who did?

 

[storm rider]

Barack Obama endorses Justin Trudeau

Is there video of Obama meeting with Trudeau? Otherwise, this could just be a manufactured tweet from Obama Headquarters.
~anonymous Internet poster

When Trudeau was asked by a member of the Lieberal biased media if he asked Obama for the endorsement he dodged the question and did not emphatically say "NO".

I personally am offended that Obama would try to influence the election and a lot of Canadians are on the same boat as I am.If you are not a Canadian politician with your chips in the game you should shut your fucking pie hole just like at a poker table.

SR

 

[CanineCowboy]

SR and Overdone I think you need to brush up on your civics. The government whether it holds a majority or minority of the seats in parliament just needs the confidence of the house to maintain power. The rules are cut and dry, there is no interpretation required.

Harper prorogued parliament exactly because he didn't have the confidence of the house and he was going to be thrown out of governing. So if you want to talk about ethics .... And for Andrew he spews nonsense, but what do you expect from a guy who lies everytime he opens his mouth

 

[storm rider]

SR and Overdone I think you need to brush up on your civics. The government whether it holds a majority or minority of the seats in parliament just needs the confidence of the house to maintain power. The rules are cut and dry, there is no interpretation required.

Harper prorogued parliament exactly because he didn't have the confidence of the house and he was going to be thrown out of governing. So if you want to talk about ethics .... And for Andrew he spews nonsense, but what do you expect from a guy who lies everytime he opens his mouth

You are incorrect on that matter.Harper prorogued parliament because that pussywimp Dion,the commie Jack Layton and the power hungry Gilles Duceppe tried to form a coalition government and HIJACK government.The reaction by the public
was quite vocal and it was "I did not vote for those clowns".What happened then was the Governor General allowed the action to prorogue parliament and along the way Harper basically said "do you want another election?"

Back when the Lieberals under Martin"who was a competent man" lost a Majority he was handed and after an election and did not win the most seats in the election he resigned as PM.Pierre Trudeau did the same when he lost to Joe Clark but Trudeau also recinded his leadership resignation 9 months later.

Harper did not get the chance for even a throne speech as the 3 clowns tried to overthrow democracy.If Andrew Scheer wins a Plurality of seats his party gets the first chance of governance.

SR

 

[westwoody]

In practical terms political parties are coalitions of like minded members who tend to vote along similar lines.

A coalition of parties is simply a larger group formed from two smaller groups.

 

[JimDandy]

we don't share the same system as MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES






I never said it couldn't happen, I said it wasn't the NORM

or can you find one example in our history where a PM didn't relinquish power when they didn't win the most seats?

this good enough for a reference to how

https://www.ourcommons.ca/About/Compendium/ParliamentaryFramework/c_d_politicalpartiescanada-e.htm


5th paragraph, "usually" ie, the norm

again, can you point to one time when in Canada's history it didn't happen

and the unethical PM who tried to stay in power with less seats?

who didn't respect the electorate?

Bueller? anyone? anyone?

just look at what happened in New Brunswick recently, the Liberal leader mouthed off about what you suggest, fortunately he respected the vote, which his party didn't receive the most seats

you don't get the most seats, you vote out the minority, the way it's always been done before, then you could go to the Governor General and tell them you could form a government

but again, the NORM is to have a new election after you defeat the gov't in a confidence vote

Quoting the Toronto Star, you might as well be quoting Fox News, they have no cred, they're the left version of Fox, biased beyond belief

why do you think they brought up Turdeau clinging to power at any cost

only an completely unethical POS would suggest doing what they are suggesting

vote them down first, you don't cling to power when you didn't receive the most seats

it's unethical


here's a basic of the list over the yrs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Canada_by_time_in_office

point it out where it happened?

I can't see anyone who did?

At the end of the day, whether the Liberals have the first chance to form a government, or the Conservatives, I believe the end result will be the same since I don't believe either the Bloc or the NDP will align themselves with Scheer. So in the end Trudeau will still be the prime minister. We just had an identical situation here in BC in the last provincial election. The Liberals won 2 more seats than the NDP, but it is the NDP that are currently in power because the Liberals could not make an agreement with the Greens. And btw, the Liberals were given the first chance because they were in power before the election, not because they won 2 more seats.

JD

 

[BobbyMcgee]

OH YA CONAN

https://mobile.twitter.com/conanobrien/status/1184955889066921984