2019 Election thread

[overdone]

Not at all...I live right on the ocean.. but like every one else near me, we, by law, are required to use a septic tank and field.

Ms. May does not live in Victoria, nor is she the MP for Victoria...

so you don't vote in Provincial elections?

cause your neighbours, are/have been doing it and try and say it doesn't matter

Very good and accurate response. Overdone and Correct don't know shit lol.

JD

yeah, a simple google of the facts, show that Victoria, dumps it's untreated effluent into the ocean

he said he's from the Island, Victoria, is on the Island

this is well documented, it isn't disputed

Even if she did live in Victoria, the Capital Regional District (under Provincial jurisdiction) is responsible for waste water systems. Although they get some funding from the Federal Govt the majority of $775M would come from the BC Tax Payers.

ah, yeah, do as I say, not as I do!

the typical Liberal mantra

(not as good as Judy's latest, but an oldie

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sgro-blackface-comments-singh-1.5314744)

blacks love a white guy in blackface, didn't yah know that boy!!

4 more years!! 4 more years!!



yeah, but back to May, and she's from there, she's a resident, like him, of the Island

they like to brag about being Green, LIKE HE DID, yet they are allowing shit to be dumped straight into the ocean, in their backyard

then sit and tell everyone else they aren't Green enough

and it's everyone's problem

but they aren't even doing the least they should at home

posers

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sounds like from a few articles I've read post debate, that Trudeau and the Liberal's biggest concern right now is how well Singh portrayed himself.
The consensus that I've been reading is that while Scheer and Trudeau bickered back and forth, Singh presented as thoughtful, calm well-spoken and rational. Even funny the 2 times he was called Mr. Scheer.
While I completely disagree with his politics, I must agree.
I could see him stealing a lot of votes from the Liberals, just like the Liberals stole a lot of NDP votes last time.
Liberals would almost never vote CPC and visa versa. NDP'ers would never vote CPC and visa versa. But lots of left of center Liberals would certainly vote NDP.
If I were Trudeau I would be more concerned with Singh right now than Scheer.

Cheers
J

PS: And how perfectly Canadian to include the leader of the Bloc in the debate. This is supposed to be a debate among people who are running for the leadership of Canada. Not one single answer of his was about the betterment of the entire nation. Only about serving Quebec's self interests. I for the life of me can't figure out why they would even invite him? I mean if they didn't, who are they going to piss off? A bunch of separatists who don't want to be a part of Canada anyway.

 

[islander1-1]

For what its worth here... Not that Dumping shit in the ocean has much to to do about global warming... Victoria is about to finally get its shit together..The latest state of the art Sewage treatment plant is about to go into production. https://www.crd.bc.ca/project/wastewater-treatment-project...

And with that lets bring this back on topic. I dont really mind how or where you vote. Just get out and vote... but vote with a conscience.

 

[80watts]

Yes Singh's platform looks good, but the problem is that any Elected NDP government didn't know how to govern... they usually fucked the economy of their province up that they were voted out the next election...

The Quebecois Party look now to take many seats in Quebec, Leaving a majority of seats in Ontario to the Liberals? If the PQ get all the seats then a minority PQ government, the other 4 will band together despite their differences (I hope so if that happens). Otherwise we have to fly over another country to get to the east coast....

As for the religious bill 21?? not to wear religious stuff at government sites. I have to applaud the Quebecers for that one. Bout time they took religion out of politics....(actually its more of an anti-religious movement against the religionists ). Quebec has never signed on to the 1981 Charter of Rights (Canadian Constitution) so it dosen't matter, they can go against religious organizations and win. Its only in the rest of Canada where we are all bombarded with all that religious rights and rights of individuals come before the country... Nationhood has become individualism and you can see it in the kids that grow up now.

I would like to see better mass electric transportation by train/bus or electric car. BC hydro is now advertizing car chargers for the garage? But who pays those Billions to connect cities by mass transit, ban gas cars or charge more for insurance on them etc.. and that will happen.

Scheer dosen't have a leg to stand on when it comes to the environment, as he wants to drop the carbon tax, where will he find the money, taxes will have to rise. You will have to cut out tax benifits to individual groups and go to a everyone pays the base tax and no tax credits or other tax cutting benefits...

So if you vote conservative you will be voting for tax cuts to government spending.

But in the future I can see a rise in the carbon tax and in the GST from 5 to 6%. The Federal governement will have no choice, or it will drastically have to cut services.

 

[Correct]

Yes May lives in Sidney, but its right beside Victoria, and Victoria has for many many decades dumped its sewage straight into the ocean. I'm surprised that this act wasn't stopped 50 or more years ago.

I don't trust May at all, and I sure wouldn't vote for her. Sad she didn't stay in Connecticut actually.

 

[JimDandy]

Sad she didn't stay in Connecticut actually.

Just like it is sad that Scheer didn't apply drop his Canadian citizenship instead of his American citizenship ;-(

JD

 

[overdone]

But in the future I can see a rise in the carbon tax and in the GST from 5 to 6%. The Federal governement will have no choice, or it will drastically have to cut services.

what services?

have you ever tried to deal with public workers, specially federal ones?

they are overpaid, under worked, compared to the general public, we aren't getting value for money, something people here should have a basic grasp on :eyebrows:

not at the Federal, Provincial or Municipal level

look at the recent report about sick days alone for gov't workers, benefits, pensions, compared to the rest of society

look at the recent auditors report about the incompetence when you try to deal with Revenue Canada employees

look at what the report into DND said about the bureaucracy they have there, nothing was done about it, this was yrs ago

services? what services?

listen to anyone who tries to deal with gov't agencies, list the idiotic behaviour they encounter

it isn't services, it's welfare they'd have to cut

we now have a gov't that is doling out welfare to virtually anyone and everyone

it's well over 20% of the budget if you include Corporate Welfare

now take the welfare in Equalization payments, then the other transfers to Provinces, the money left after the incompetent CBC, DND, RCMP, Senate, MP's

where are all these great services you get from the Feds?

infrastructure? lol sure

we're borrowing to do it too, all the leaders are suggesting increasing the debt to continue it as well

it isn't about infrastructure or creating wealth or INCREASING SERVICES either

welfare is fine, for the actual bottom 5-10% of our society who needs a HAND UP

but that's not what we're doing anymore

it's going to people who are making more than the median income now too

services, yeah, how many times have you actually gotten good service from a gov't organization lately?

 

[clu]

overdone, government services suck because they're understaffed and overworked. e.g. My accountant told me last tax year that the company filing was going to be slower due to cutbacks.

 

[JimDandy]

If you are someone that believes "ITS JOBS STUPID !!!", then I have good news for you:

https://business.financialpost.com/...d-in-september-unemployment-rate-drops-to-5-5

That is the lowest unemployment since they started recording it!!! This should be very good news for the governing Liberal party.

JD

 

[BobbyMcgee]

If you are someone that believes "ITS JOBS STUPID !!!", then I have good news for you:

https://business.financialpost.com/...d-in-september-unemployment-rate-drops-to-5-5

That is the lowest unemployment since they started recording it!!! This should be very good news for the governing Liberal party.

JD

David Rosenberg
@EconguyRosie
Don’t be fooled by the 53.7k Canadian jobs jump, timed perfectly for the election campaign. It was all government -- private sector plunged 21k, second slide in the past 3**months. Hours worked sagged 0.3%, so more people employed but doing less.

 

[JimDandy]

David Rosenberg
@EconguyRosie
Don’t be fooled by the 53.7k Canadian jobs jump, timed perfectly for the election campaign. It was all government -- private sector plunged 21k, second slide in the past 3**months. Hours worked sagged 0.3%, so more people employed but doing less.

Sounds like fake news to me. Even if true, just as recently as June, unemployment levels reached an all time low since the 70's. So any way you look at it, unemployment has not been low since the 1970's.

JD

 

[BobbyMcgee]

Sounds like fake news to me. Even if true, just as recently as June, unemployment levels reached an all time low since the 70's. So any way you look at it, unemployment has not been low since the 1970's.

JD

“sounds like” now there is solid research. @EconguyRosie how about you at least read and realize this is an analyst that is non-partisan and he states it factually.
Go ahead and quote your non CBC nor CDN Gov source.

 

[clu]

Has anyone seen a poll that asks people how they would vote if they weren't voting strategically? e.g. there are people that are going to hold their nose and vote Liberal instead of NDP or Conservative instead of PPC because they don't want to split the vote. I'd love to see the numbers we'd get if people didn't do that. Any sources out there on this?

 

[sisold]

Has anyone seen a poll that asks people how they would vote if they weren't voting strategically? e.g. there are people that are going to hold their nose and vote Liberal instead of NDP or Conservative instead of PPC because they don't want to split the vote. I'd love to see the numbers we'd get if people didn't do that. Any sources out there on this?

I think the debates have cratered what was left of the Orange Wave. Even the seats that the Liberals stole from the NDP in 2015 are likely to go to the Bloc. Ontario is going to be key. If the Liberals can win enough seats in the GTA, they'll retain government. Despite Jagmeet Singh's best efforts, the NDP will have fewer seats. The Greens might not even win Sanich and the Islands.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ot...ction-we-are-now-entering-minority-territory/

 

[JimDandy]

“sounds like” now there is solid research. @EconguyRosie how about you at least read and realize this is an analyst that is non-partisan and he states it factually.
Go ahead and quote your non CBC nor CDN Gov source.

LOL. Clearly you did not look at my source in my original post that you replied to. It was the Financial Post !!! Canada's most legit financial paper. And the article quotes amoung others, BMO's chief economist, who I will put above a hack with his own blog anytime!

Here is my original non CBC source again: https://business.financialpost.com/...d-in-september-unemployment-rate-drops-to-5-5

JD

 

[clu]

Has anyone seen a poll that asks people how they would vote if they weren't voting strategically? e.g. there are people that are going to hold their nose and vote Liberal instead of NDP or Conservative instead of PPC because they don't want to split the vote. I'd love to see the numbers we'd get if people didn't do that. Any sources out there on this?

Been searching for the answer to my question above. This is the best I've found so far:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/strategic-voting-election-harper-conservatives-leadnow-1.5307235

Breguet said strategic voting is very limited, and that research suggests maybe 10 to 15 per cent of people consider strategic voting and that less than five per cent in previous Canadian elections actually voted strategically.

So maybe voting strategically isn't skewing the numbers as much as I thought.

(Side note: voting strategically is basically a voter's best guess approximation of a Single Transferable Vote. You're going for your #2 ranked choice on the premise that your #1 choice would lose the first round.)

 

[luvsdaty]

And the poles are open, get out and vote people.

 

[CanineCowboy]

I love that the current movement in the polls, with the NDP and BQ rising, suggests a Liberal minority coalition government will be elected. Even if the Conservatives win the most seats they won't be able to form government because none of the other parties except for the PPC (with possibly 1 seat) will prop them up. This outcome basically guarantees a national pharmacare program and kills any future expansion or construction of oil pipelines.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have left themselves out in the cold by choosing to support a white nationalist, Christian, climate change denying, isolationist. Good thing there will be a government that is willing to help them wean themselves off of the oil teat.

 

[testicles]

Whatever happened to Saskatchewan? They used to be relatively left wing. It’s like that book Thomas Frank wrote a few years ago, “What’s the matter with Kansas?”

 

[nightswhisper]

I love that the current movement in the polls, with the NDP and BQ rising, suggests a Liberal minority coalition government will be elected. Even if the Conservatives win the most seats they won't be able to form government because none of the other parties except for the PPC (with possibly 1 seat) will prop them up. This outcome basically guarantees a national pharmacare program and kills any future expansion or construction of oil pipelines.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have left themselves out in the cold by choosing to support a white nationalist, Christian, climate change denying, isolationist. Good thing there will be a government that is willing to help them wean themselves off of the oil teat.

Denying stupid measures to fight climate change is not akin to denying climate change.