BC Elections : Predictions Anyone?

[Cock Throppled]

Still a week before the Leg is called into session and Clark is using her fart-catchers in the press, like Smyth and Baldrey to try to stir things up.

The games this woman will play to try to cling to power like a fly on shit will never stop until she's exposed to sunshine, or Christopher Lee comes back with a hammer and a pointed stick.

 

[MissingOne]

... The games this woman will play to try to cling to power like a fly on shit will never stop until she's exposed to sunshine, or Christopher Lee comes back with a hammer and a pointed stick.

I don't support Clark and didn't vote Liberal, but I find the criticism of her post-election manoeuvres to be a bit over the top. She is the leader of the party that won the most seats. She is playing the game using the tools available within our political system. So are the leaders of the other parties. Someone will eventually come out on top. That's how the game is played. I really can't fault her for her for playing till the finishing bell.

 

[storm rider]

That is EXACTLY my take on it.For all of the praise heeped upon the Paris Accord and the leftists elated by the outcome....good ol Green party leader Elizabeth May was there for it and I imagine she rang up close to 20 grand in expences on the tax payers tab gorging herself like a pig and knocking back fancy wine and gushing about the result of it.Yet the worlds largest polluter which is China does not have to do jack shit until 2030.Meanwhile Canada under the Trudeau governemnt virtue signals and saddles Canadians with a Carbon Tax that will not reduce emissions in any way.It will just TAX Canadians to heat their homes and drive their cars not to mention the price on EVERY consumable product will go up as industry will simply pass the TAX onto consumers.

It is akin to jacking up the minimum wage.....business will just jack up prices to absorb the costs.Mark my words if that substitute drama teacher gets another mandate come 2019 Canada WILL be allocating tax payer money within 2 years to buy "Carbon Credits" and the guy that OWNS the "Carbon Credit Exchange" is Al Gore.Climate Change as pushed by the leftist media as well as leftist governments is a sham and a wealth transfer directed by the UN.

For all you NDP lovers hey guess what "Orange is the new broke" cant believe the citizens of BC voted in 41 Commie NDP's to the legislature after having the Province RAPED by the NDP in the past.The list is so long I wont even bother to include it as it would take too much time.

Best quote I can think of with regards to Socialism is this "Socialism is the philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.It's inherant nature is the equal sharing of misery"....Winston Churchill.

SR

 

[storm rider]

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. He didn't say climate change wasn't real. He questioned the actions that politicians would have you believe is solving the problem.

That is EXACTLY my take on it.For all of the praise heeped upon the Paris Accord and the leftists elated by the outcome....good ol Green party leader Elizabeth May was there for it and I imagine she rang up close to 20 grand in expences on the tax payers tab gorging herself like a pig and knocking back fancy wine and gushing about the result of it.Yet the worlds largest polluter which is China does not have to do jack shit until 2030.Meanwhile Canada under the Trudeau governemnt virtue signals and saddles Canadians with a Carbon Tax that will not reduce emissions in any way.It will just TAX Canadians to heat their homes and drive their cars not to mention the price on EVERY consumable product will go up as industry will simply pass the TAX onto consumers.

It is akin to jacking up the minimum wage.....business will just jack up prices to absorb the costs.Mark my words if that substitute drama teacher gets another mandate come 2019 Canada WILL be allocating tax payer money within 2 years to buy "Carbon Credits" and the guy that OWNS the "Carbon Credit Exchange" is Al Gore.Climate Change as pushed by the leftist media as well as leftist governments is a sham and a wealth transfer directed by the UN.

For all you NDP lovers hey guess what "Orange is the new broke" cant believe the citizens of BC voted in 41 Commie NDP's to the legislature after having the Province RAPED by the NDP in the past.The list is so long I wont even bother to include it as it would take too much time.

Best quote I can think of with regards to Socialism is this "Socialism is the philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.It's inherant nature is the equal sharing of misery"....Winston Churchill.

SR

 

[rlock]

I don't support Clark and didn't vote Liberal, but I find the criticism of her post-election manoeuvres to be a bit over the top. She is the leader of the party that won the most seats. She is playing the game using the tools available within our political system. So are the leaders of the other parties. Someone will eventually come out on top. That's how the game is played. I really can't fault her for her for playing till the finishing bell.

Comes down to this: How many voters in BC supported her? How many supported the others? Everything else is just the First-Past-The-Post voting system distorting things. Proportionally you'd still have the same parties in the legislature, and the top two would still be roughly tied with each other, but they would not be at such a knife-edge. The problem is that the main parties under FPTP always expect they'll be governing alone - and they act like they deserve it, even when the judgement of the voters says otherwise.

The electorate just isn't "left" and "right" anymore. Not just in BC but around the world, you can see that simplistic model breaking down.

The recent UK election is another good example.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Best quote I can think of with regards to Socialism is this "Socialism is the philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.It's inherant nature is the equal sharing of misery"....Winston Churchill.

SR

"The internet is the home to idiots and mental deficients posing as experts because pretending makes them feel important." ...Me.

 

[Man Mountain]

Still a week before the Leg is called into session and Clark is using her fart-catchers in the press, like Smyth and Baldrey to try to stir things up.

The games this woman will play to try to cling to power like a fly on shit will never stop until she's exposed to sunshine, or Peter Cushing comes back with a hammer and a pointed stick.

Fixed that for you

 

[Cock Throppled]

Fixed that for you

oops. Thanks.:yo:

 

[ddcanz]

I've lived in this province my entire life and can state with certainty that while I will support the best interests of all to the best of my ability, the NDP can go and fuck themselves.
They've proven to me that they just can't manage money. And we ALL end up paying in the long run.
I support business and betterment of self- while still contributing to those less "fortunate"- sorry kids, the cream should be allowed to rise to the top. What's good for the goose is typically good for the gander. Generally speaking, if you want something better for yourself, then get off your ass and work for it. Of course there are a thousand exceptions to the rule- single mothers are a prime example.
The Libs may not be the end-all be-all by any stretch, but given a choice of one or the other it's a no fucking brainer to me.
A strong opposition is a great thing to keep the rulers in check.
To me, the NDP are not leader-lion material, but better as the wild dogs and hyenas snapping at heels.

 

[PerbMod]

"The internet is the home to idiots and mental deficients posing as experts because pretending makes them feel important." ...Me.

Including you. Tone it down everyone. If the hijacks about climate change and the insults and ranting don't stop, this thread will get shut down.

 

[storm rider]

I've lived in this province my entire life and can state with certainty that while I will support the best interests of all to the best of my ability, the NDP can go and fuck themselves.
They've proven to me that they just can't manage money. And we ALL end up paying in the long run.
I support business and betterment of self- while still contributing to those less "fortunate"- sorry kids, the cream should be allowed to rise to the top. What's good for the goose is typically good for the gander. Generally speaking, if you want something better for yourself, then get off your ass and work for it. Of course there are a thousand exceptions to the rule- single mothers are a prime example.
The Libs may not be the end-all be-all by any stretch, but given a choice of one or the other it's a no fucking brainer to me.
A strong opposition is a great thing to keep the rulers in check.
To me, the NDP are not leader-lion material, but better as the wild dogs and hyenas snapping at heels.

Good post sir and I agree with you.For governance the NDP just plain suck as they are A:bad at math and B:huge on cronyism.Though the NDP both Provincially/Federally only act good in opposition because they hunger for power and when they get it they run whatever they govern into the ground.British Columbia/Ontario/Manitoba and currently Alberta due to a protest vote gone wrong.Nothing but cronyism and kickbacks to the insiders.

I moved from BC in 1997 to Alberta armed with an inheritence of $16,000 and a desire/hunger to work hard and get ahead.I got on the property ladder and also got married and I got divorced and hit the reset button and started again.Got my home paid off in 11 years though I could have done it in 7 years had I not got bitten with middle age crazy early in the form of British sports cars.

All told I have busted my ass for 20 years in Alberta working like a clydesdale with a heavy load to bear.As for politics in Alberta I miss Ralph Klein.He was blunt but honest and he took no shit from the public sector unions.Sadly we got one DUD after another at the helm after he left.First dithering Ed Stelmach and then the Red Queen Redford who both reversed all of Klein's work and the late Jim Prentiss got to inherit that bad stuff.

I truly pity the populace of BC if they end up being governed by an NDP/GREEN coalition that was NOT on the ballot.

My 2nd fave quote with regards to Socialism..."Socialism is great until you run out of money" :Margaret Thatcher

ddcanz...keep up the hard work and keep your stick on the ice because the Socialist governments that say "we know what is best for you" dont give a rats ass about you.

SR

 

[storm rider]

Lol. You should have followed Ralph's lead. If you're going to work like a Clydesdale, might as well do it for Budweiser. And what could you possibly be thinking...the only thing I can think of that the British are worse at than sports cars is cuisine

Yeah well in reposte try get GOOD fish & chips in Canada and beef wellington is a British recipe.With regards to sportscars a Triumph TR6 is a joy to drive and the TR5/TR250 is as rare as hens teeth.

I truly wish ol Ralph had not gotten his nose out of joint after a 62% leadership review.Sadly he did and then Alberta got Ed Stelmach and then the red queen Redford.

I have said it before and I will say it again.I truly pity BC for voting NDP/GREEN.Perhaps the rampant cronyism will be held in check due to a coalition but I doubt it.The first scandal will hit before the next writ drops.It is what the NDP are good at.Feeding at the trough at tax payers expence.

SR

 

[badbadboy]

I don't support Clark and didn't vote Liberal, but I find the criticism of her post-election manoeuvres to be a bit over the top. She is the leader of the party that won the most seats. She is playing the game using the tools available within our political system. So are the leaders of the other parties. Someone will eventually come out on top. That's how the game is played. I really can't fault her for her for playing till the finishing bell.

It took a while to comb through the Carbon Emmissions Derailment to find someone still talking about the election

Quite true and neither the NDP Greens will provide a Speaker for the house. According to Smyth's weekend column, they went after former Liberal Minister Darryl Plecas three times to volunteer as Speaker. I suppose their reason for zeroing in on Plecas is he was once a minister and with past cabinet shuffles was put on the back bench.

https://www.google.ca/amp/theprovin...a-for-the-third-time-no-i-wont-be-speaker/amp

It's actually very interesting to watch the gamesmanship being played out in preparation for the next session. Neither side will provide a Speaker because in case of any tie vote, the Speaker votes with the Government.

 

[overdone]

I'm not defending the NDP in Alberta. But I am saying that the misery that exists in the province has little to do with the NDP and everything to do with the price of crude. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. And any real Albertan knows that. The economy is like the weather in Alberta, most of the time it's blue skies and sunny, but when the storm comes it's fucking brutal. And this storm is a long one.

you're using it as an excuse, like the NDP are, like the PC's did as well

the problem has existed since Klein, it spun up even more with Eddy the spineless Stelmach and has been ramped up to the extreme with the NDP

we're still paying and spending based on 150 oil

we should have been spending on 50 oil the whole time, if they kept the increases to rate of inflation and pop growth, we wouldn't be in this situation, we'd have a small deficit

we've had deficits for over a decade now, out of control spending is the problem, not the price of oil

even if oil went back to 150, we'd still have a deficit, bases on their spending

fiscal accountability, discipline is the issue

when you're talking about "PUBLIC SERVICES" which is the constant bullshit the NDP keep spouting

that is nothing more than "PUBLIC WAGES", which is around 40-50% of the budget

which in Alberta we pay more than everyone else, we're about 2G's per person above the next province

and that's even with a few yrs of zero increases for some

the NDP couldn't even raise taxes high enough to cover their desires of spending

our deficit is 4X the combined other provinces deficits this yr

their whole plan is to tax and spend, mostly spend

and they've been in power 2yrs, so they own it now

they need to cut wages, cause they can't tax their way out of it

 

[storm rider]

I never step into these arguments, but I will on this one. SR, I spent about half my life in Alberta, lived and worked in the north and south and have an investment plan that was pretty much funded by oil and gas.

We all worked hard in Alberta, but let's be honest. A part of our success (and riches) was because the entire economy was built on a product that was buried in the ground below us and it was worth a fortune. The economy went into boom mood in late 2004 when oil hit new highs and nat gas was through the roof. That boom lasted 10 years. During ALL that time, the Cons were in power. Excluding the blip in early 2009, where oil hit 33 and bounced back up, it was pretty much smooth sailing. And at the end of that "unprecedented" economic growth the province had NO money. Sure, it had no debt, but the heritage fund has the same amount of money it had when Lougheed resigned.

I lived through the oil crash in the early 80's. Calgary went from being a flashy rich city to one where geologists worked at Mac's Milk just to keep an income. The only work in the city in the mid 80's was on expanding the LRT line. Even Klein admitted that (he was our mayor at one time). The current recession has little to do with the NDP and almost everything to do with Western Canadian Select crude trading trading around 44 bucks a barrel. Just before Prentice was turfed he said the province would run a deficit of $5 billion. Everyone, including Boone Pickens was positive oil would go back up. Pickens is 64 years into the industry and he was wrong.

I'm not defending the NDP in Alberta. But I am saying that the misery that exists in the province has little to do with the NDP and everything to do with the price of crude. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. And any real Albertan knows that. The economy is like the weather in Alberta, most of the time it's blue skies and sunny, but when the storm comes it's fucking brutal. And this storm is a long one.

I grew up in Bowness in Calgary as a kid and I saw the direct impact of the NEP in the early 1980's and that filthy Lieberal notion was the death knell for the Alberta oil patch.All oil companies just plain gutted spending on exploration and the drilling of new wells for both oil and gas.You are wrong about the "boom" with regards to 2004.It heated up in 1997 and got just plain crazy.I remember back in 1997 just after I moved here and purchased my first home which was an attached townhouse for $72,000 and I overheard 2 oil executives talking in an elevetor at the Husky Tower which is at 700-9th ave sw and the first guy said "how do you feel about $20 oil?" and the guys response was "I am happier than a pig in it's own shit".

you're using it as an excuse, like the NDP are, like the PC's did as well

the problem has existed since Klein, it spun up even more with Eddy the spineless Stelmach and has been ramped up to the extreme with the NDP

we're still paying and spending based on 150 oil

we should have been spending on 50 oil the whole time, if they kept the increases to rate of inflation and pop growth, we wouldn't be in this situation, we'd have a small deficit

we've had deficits for over a decade now, out of control spending is the problem, not the price of oil

even if oil went back to 150, we'd still have a deficit, bases on their spending

fiscal accountability, discipline is the issue

when you're talking about "PUBLIC SERVICES" which is the constant bullshit the NDP keep spouting

that is nothing more than "PUBLIC WAGES", which is around 40-50% of the budget

which in Alberta we pay more than everyone else, we're about 2G's per person above the next province

and that's even with a few yrs of zero increases for some

the NDP couldn't even raise taxes high enough to cover their desires of spending

our deficit is 4X the combined other provinces deficits this yr

their whole plan is to tax and spend, mostly spend

and they've been in power 2yrs, so they own it now

they need to cut wages, cause they can't tax their way out of it

FUCK YEAH....you just hit the nail on the FUCKING HEAD......the one thing that has needed to be done was to cut spending as in FUCK YOU to the over paid and over compensated public sector unions.Redford would not do that as she bribed the teachers union with a 2 Billion bailout for the pension plan to win the leadership vote...then she went on to live a life of entitlement as Premiere.The NDP have made it even worse.Last round of contract negotiations with the ATA lead to no wage increase and of course no reductions.The ATA members got a 5% cash payout 1 year retroactive and forward to the end of the contract that expires in 1 fucking year.Not much of a surprise as no was a gang of Socialist politicians is going to impose a wage roll back on Socialist teachers that are brainwashing kids with Socialist Engineering via the education system.

To be blunt Alberta needs ol Ralph back even if it is in zombie form.Yeah he might bite an intern or two.Perhaps he might eat his press secretary's brain.Still a fuck of a lot better than the governance Alberta has had since he left.For fuck sakes the commie nutbar tree hugger hypocrite Tzepporah Berman who was appointed to the "Oil Sands Advisory Panel" which was created by the NDP was out actively campaigning AGAINST the Kinder Morgand for Horgan during the BC election.That wacked out nutcase hyprocrite cunt should not have gotten that panel position in the first place but after the fact she is working to fuck over Albertans whilst getting paid by their tax dollars.That is NDP fucking cronyism at it's best.

SR

 

[PerbMod]

And given that this thread is now about british cars and the Alberta economy instead of the BC political scene, it's now closed. Feel free to start your own on topic threads folks.