BC Elections : Predictions Anyone?

[bootyman69]

Re polling - No pollster who wants to stay in business is going to release polls that are intentionally wrong. No pollster would have any clients if they just tailored questions to please a client for a few weeks, but were ultimately proved to be inept. They lose credibility and a client.

+1

Of late, polls all over the world have been consistently wrong.

Why? Pollsters try to conduct their polls by geographical area (riding) which requires a listed telephone number. As more and more of us ditch our listed landlines in favour of unlisted and anonymous cells, this has become increasingly difficult. The pollsters then end up polling an older demographic, which skews the results, and if their sampling holds true at all, their figures will more accurately represent the popular vote.

If popular vote meant anything, Hillary Clinton would be President.

bootyman69

 

[storm rider]

Lol..... nearly everything you want hurts the poor and helps the rich with their tax loopholes.

OK Mr Smart...it was the Conservatives under Harper that gave Canadians the TFSA and then they upped the limit to 10 GRAND a year.It was Trudeau who said it only benefits the "rich" with the promise to knock it back down to 5 GRAND.The TFSA limit did not benefit the "rich" it encompassed ALL Canadians.If they could afford to max out the limit each and every year is something completely different.To be blunt allowing every Canadian citizen to contribute 10 GRAND each and every year and at the same time allowing those years of contribution room to roll over and accumulate is the fucking best most adventageous move ever for tax payers.Throw 10 GRAND a year into stock of a company such as Altagas Corp that has a self directed DRIP program and delivers a 7% return not to mention the discount of the DRIP program and run that out for 20 years of compounding and you get a nice retirement nest egg that is tax free....completely tax free.The tax and spend more Liberals who want a nanny state dont want financially independant people.They want them contributing to RRSP's that are taxed.The super rich and even the lower class of "rich" people have no problem skirting taxes.The TFSA was the best ever piece of legislation introduced under Harper.If you had maxxed out your contributions to the tune of $46,500 and thrown it at Teck Resources when it bottomed out to $3.65 a share and sold at the peak of $35 you would have just shy of $500,000 in your TFSA which you could then invest into a solid monthly dividend paying income trust that would self compound.That is not a "loophole" for the "rich" is is a benefit to ALL Canadian citizens but the Liberals under the Shiney Pony played it via the leftist media as class warfare.....which is utter hypocracy considering the Shiney Pony Trudeau was a millionaire with his wealth protected via a trust before he was able to legally buy beer.

Best thing the Conservatives did under Harper's time was the TFSA.....IMO it was better than getting rid of the corrupt wheat board as well is the Liberals boondoggle gun registry that was supposed to cost 2 million and ended up costing 2 BILLION and all it did was punish legal firearm owners.

SR

 

[storm rider]

You're welcome, but I see not one person has come forward to explain why they believe a party, and a leader who have a history of lying, and just making things up, even when they are proven to be lies.

It defies logic, that people will put their beliefs ahead of facts. Kind of like the Trump effect, I guess, except in BC, where Clark continues to rely on gullibility to get votes.

I guess these are same people seeing Asian Sp ads and believing they're going to see the girl in the photos. Hope sprngs eternal, not matter how often you're let down.

I see that you have not replied to my question so I will ask that 2 pronged question again.Have you read the NDP LEAP manifesto?Do you support/endorse the NDP LEAP manifesto?

If you support/endorse the LEAP manifesto please explain to me as a Canadian citizen living in Alberta how I am going to heat my home in winter with the total shutdown of all fossil fuels by the year 2050.Since I would not be allowed under the NDP LEAP manifesto to use natural gas to heat my home and also according to the NDP I am not allowed to harvest trees for firewood what do I do....will the NDP hook up a unicorn to my furnace that will heat my home via unicorn farts?will I only have to feed that unicorn gumdrops/rainbows and warm fuzzy thoughts about "saving the environment".As far as I know unicorns are in very short supply....according to the folk singer group the Irish Rovers they could not find a single one.

What I have said is GOSPEL as according to the NDP LEAP manifesto which was endorsed and cheered on at the last NDP leadership review under which Angry Tom lost the leadership review but has not stepped down as leader because he is a socialist pig at the trough who gorges himself on tax payer money.

The NDP are just a shade to the right of being communists.Thus far in the BC election they are outright running on the ticket of class warfare....pitting the lowest rungs on the ladder for the most potential votes VS people that work for a living and want to move up the ladder and get ahead in life.Kind of like throwing bread to the peasants at the circus in Rome before the games.The NDP did it in the 90's with the promise of upping welfare rates and the cost was at the lowest at $50 for each single guy on welfare....and it went a bit up from there.

Bit of a long rant but MEH.So Cock do you actually support and endorse the NDP LEAP manifesto(which when it comes down to it is a filthy evil communist bit of propaganda) which is completely fucked and out of touch with reality.

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

I see that you have not replied to my question so I will ask that 2 pronged question again.Have you read the NDP LEAP manifesto?Do you support/endorse the NDP LEAP manifesto?

If you support/endorse the LEAP manifesto please explain to me as a Canadian citizen living in Alberta how I am going to heat my home in winter with the total shutdown of all fossil fuels by the year 2050.Since I would not be allowed under the NDP LEAP manifesto to use natural gas to heat my home and also according to the NDP I am not allowed to harvest trees for firewood what do I do....will the NDP hook up a unicorn to my furnace that will heat my home via unicorn farts?will I only have to feed that unicorn gumdrops/rainbows and warm fuzzy thoughts about "saving the environment".As far as I know unicorns are in very short supply....according to the folk singer group the Irish Rovers they could not find a single one.

What I have said is GOSPEL as according to the NDP LEAP manifesto which was endorsed and cheered on at the last NDP leadership review under which Angry Tom lost the leadership review but has not stepped down as leader because he is a socialist pig at the trough who gorges himself on tax payer money.

The NDP are just a shade to the right of being communists.Thus far in the BC election they are outright running on the ticket of class warfare....pitting the lowest rungs on the ladder for the most potential votes VS people that work for a living and want to move up the ladder and get ahead in life.Kind of like throwing bread to the peasants at the circus in Rome before the games.The NDP did it in the 90's with the promise of upping welfare rates and the cost was at the lowest at $50 for each single guy on welfare....and it went a bit up from there.

Bit of a long rant but MEH.So Cock do you actually support and endorse the NDP LEAP manifesto(which when it comes down to it is a filthy evil communist bit of propaganda) which is completely fucked and out of touch with reality.

SR

Nice deflection. Also typical.

Haven't read the LEAP manifesto, and it's irrelevant in the BC election. Horgan has said there are elements that aren't feasable for BC. In fact, it's irrelevant to any election, since we're talking about things mostly well into the fututre, and you should know in any document that relates to the future it's virtually meaningless.

I live in a town with an Official Community Plan. Sounds impressive, even Official, but council does whatever they want to work around it, ignore it and alter it.

We have land use designatons that are amended continually to allow diffierent uses of property.

We have a Charter that is being interpreted all the time.

We have contracts that are ripped up (a Liberal specialty), ignored and disputed.

Your willingness to ignore malfeasance, incompetence and untruths from the Liberals, in your dogmatic zeal to demonize the NDP, is simply ignoring facts. Proveable, definitive facts. Christy Clark, and the BC Liberals have lied over and over again, and their lies have gotten them elected. People willing to keep voting for politicians who deliberately, and consistently lie to them could be considered gullible, stupid, or they're benefiiting from those in power.

 

[storm rider]

Nice deflection. Also typical.

Haven't read the LEAP manifesto, and it's irrelevant in the BC election. Horgan has said there are elements that aren't feasable for BC. In fact, it's irrelevant to any election, since we're talking about things mostly well into the fututre, and you should know in any document that relates to the future it's virtually meaningless.

I live in a town with an Official Community Plan. Sounds impressive, even Official, but council does whatever they want to work around it, ignore it and alter it.

We have land use designatons that are amended continually to allow diffierent uses of property.

We have a Charter that is being interpreted all the time.

We have contracts that are ripped up (a Liberal specialty), ignored and disputed.

Your willingness to ignore malfeasance, incompetence and untruths from the Liberals, in your dogmatic zeal to demonize the NDP, is simply ignoring facts. Proveable, definitive facts. Christy Clark, and the BC Liberals have lied over and over again, and their lies have gotten them elected. People willing to keep voting for politicians who deliberately, and consistently lie to them could be considered gullible, stupid, or they're benefiiting from those in power.

Ok let me get this straight you would VOTE for the NDP without actually reading and understanding the CORE plank policy of the NDP party which is a NATIONAL party.Wow you truly are an idiot if you would blindly vote for the NDP without reading the LEAP manifesto.......I encourage you to read from cover to cover the LEAP manifesto that the NDP wants to not only bring to fruition in BC but for Canada as well.I guarantee if you actually READ and fully comprehend the LEAP manifesto you would chastise yourself for even thing of voting NDP.

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

Ok let me get this straight you would VOTE for the NDP without actually reading and understanding the CORE plank policy of the NDP party which is a NATIONAL party.Wow you truly are an idiot if you would blindly vote for the NDP without reading the LEAP manifesto.......I encourage you to read from cover to cover the LEAP manifesto that the NDP wants to not only bring to fruition in BC but for Canada as well.I guarantee if you actually READ and fully comprehend the LEAP manifesto you would chastise yourself for even thing of voting NDP.

SR

Oh, get a clue.

Did you read the revue on Site C from the BC Utilities Commission? Probably not, becase Clark never submitted it for review. Why, what was she afraid of?

You apparently haven't noticed provincial and federal parties are not the same.

Are Christy Clark, and the BC Liberal party actually Liberal?

Is Notley backing and supporting the Leap Manifesto?

Jeez, if you don't even realize the BC Liberals are actually Conservative/Reform people, you haven't got a clue about politics in BC.

And still not a peep from you about why politicians who continually lie to you, have your loyalty.

 

[storm rider]

Oh, get a clue.

Did you read the revue on Site C from the BC Utilities Commission? Probably not, becase Clark never submitted it for review. Why, what was she afraid of?

You apparently haven't noticed provincial and federal parties are not the same.

Are Christy Clark, and the BC Liberal party actually Liberal?

Is Notley backing and supporting the Leap Manifesto?

Jeez, if you don't even realize the BC Liberals are actually Conservative/Reform people, you haven't got a clue about politics in BC.

And still not a peep from you about why politicians who continually lie to you, have your loyalty.

Cripes you really are brainless.....I have replied in this thread that the BC Liberals are and I will say it again "Liberals in name only" the BC Liberals are a centre RIGHT party and it has been that way a long time.As for dam projects I thought all of you left coasters "liked" green energy.Do you like the motion of the ex NDP MLA and now Mayor of Vancouver to ban non renewable natural gas for such frivilous things as cooking food and heating homes?Gregor Robertson is a huge taker of donations from the Tides Foundation BTW...he was also the director for Tides Canada.

Just to let you know the main core objective of the LEAP manifesto is to eliminate/cease/stop the use of ALL fossil fuels in Canada by 2050 and by that it means the complete and total shut down of the extraction/shipment/export and transportation of ALL natural energy resources including oil both conventional and non conventional as well as natural gas and also coking coal.In doing so and shutting down the use of the these resources as used by citizens of Canada to heat their homes as well as exporting these resources to foreign markets is a HUGE economic loss for Canada as a whole.At the same time getting "green" power such as wind would be nullified because it takes 400 tons of coking coal to make the steel to manufacture a wind turbine.Coking coal is not used for electricity production it is used to make steel and it is the only way you can make steel.If you want bridges/skyscrapers/rail road lines etc you need steel and it is made via Coking coal and iron ore.

Sure makes a lot of sense to eradicate and destroy the oil and gas industry in Canada.....well according to the NDP it does but the NDP are not good at math and history has proved that.

As for Notley backing the Leap manifesto....well she passed on it because if she endorsed it there would have been horde of people with torches and pitchforks storming the legislature building in Edmonton as in a revolution.

As for politics in BC I am in the know as I pay attention because I lived in BC for a lengthy stretch of time and yes I saw how badly the NDP fucked up the province and their run on the hustings(wow fancy word) is just the same as last time in their pandering to the lowest rung with the pitched renters subsidy....in the 90's it was a promise to jack up welfare rates.

As for politicians that lie to me.....well to be fucking BLUNT Stephen Harper told no lies IMO.Under his governance the CPC got rid of the wheat board as well as the gun registry and also reduced the GST.They also got tough on crime and gave Canadians the TFSA and a lot of other good governance as well.In fact I consider Stephen Harper to be the best PM ever to have served Canada in public office......his shitty replacement is good for nothing more than selfies and indulging himself like a pig at the trough and his vacation to the private island owned by the Aga Khan is proof of that.

As for politicians in general I trust none of them and I wish we could lynch them if they fuck us over as tax payers.

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

Stephen Harper told no lies IMO.Under his governance the CPC got rid of the wheat board as well as the gun registry and also reduced the GST.They also got tough on crime and gave Canadians the TFSA and a lot of other good governance as well.In fact I consider Stephen Harper to be the best PM ever to have served Canada in public office.
SR

Okay, this explains a lot.

I rest my case.

 

[MissingOne]

... Coking coal is not used for electricity production it is used to make steel and it is the only way you can make steel. ...

You're a bit behind the times. Coking coal is only used in about a third of steel production these days. According to The Economist on April 27:

"... the big threat to steelmakers’ jobs comes not from trade but technology. In the Reagan era 80% of the metal was made in the traditional way: converting iron ore and coke into pig iron in a blast furnace, before turning this into steel. Only a third is made in this way today. Scrap metal is replacing new pig iron. Smaller electric-arc furnaces are more efficient, thanks in large part to cheaper electricity, and can compete on quality and cost with blast furnaces. Methods that use shale gas instead of coal to make iron for steelmaking are also replacing pig iron. Thanks to such advances, labour productivity in steelmaking has increased fivefold since the 1980s, according to the American Iron and Steel Institute, a trade association. ..."

 

[storm rider]

Okay, this explains a lot.

I rest my case.

And just like a typical Leftist when you face actual facts you dodge the question because you dont have an answer to a superior arguement.Since I have filled you in and given the info of the LEAP manifesto and the CORE plank of the LEAP manifesto which is the
complete and total shutdown of ALL natural resource energy production for use by both residential and industrial consumers as well as with regards to exports of those fossil fuels as part of Canada's GDP by the year 2050 do you support/endorse this?Do you think it is a good idea?How will Canadians heat their homes during winter?

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

And just like a typical Leftist when you face actual facts you dodge the question because you dont have an answer to a superior arguement.Since I have filled you in and given the info of the LEAP manifesto and the CORE plank of the LEAP manifesto which is the
complete and total shutdown of ALL natural resource energy production for use by both residential and industrial consumers as well as with regards to exports of those fossil fuels as part of Canada's GDP by the year 2050 do you support/endorse this?Do you think it is a good idea?How will Canadians heat their homes during winter?

SR

Superior argument, LOL. Now you're turning this into a joke thread.

I figure Canadians will have plenty of fuel simply burning Supreme Court documents overturning Conservative legislation, for at least the next few years.

2050 is 33 years away. At the current pace of technological change, and the proper investments into alternative energy, by 20250 we might be using tap water for fuel, but I'm sure you'll still be trying to prop up your buggy whip empire, with Stephen Harper still your inspiration.

 

[storm rider]

Superior argument, LOL. Now you're turning this into a joke thread.

I figure Canadians will have plenty of fuel simply burning Supreme Court documents overturning Conservative legislation, for at least the next few years.

2050 is 33 years away. At the current pace of technological change, and the proper investments into alternative energy, by 20250 we might be using tap water for fuel, but I'm sure you'll still be trying to prop up your buggy whip empire, with Stephen Harper still your inspiration.

Still dodging the question I see.I guess you are lucky that breathing is an autonomous function of the brain because if you had to actively think about doing it you would have been dead long ago.

Obviously you are a bleeding heart Liberal who of course objects to factual arguements because you lose them.I dont have a "buggy whip" empire nor did Stephen harper when he had a 4 year majority government.In fact he cracked down hard on the extreme right wing members of his party when they tried to pass private member's bills in the commons with regards to abortion.Shortly after Stephen Harper got his first minority government after Paul Martin faced the fallout of the Sponsorship Scandal(surely you remember that? when the Lieberals stole 250 MILLION of taxpayer money and doled it out to Lieberal insiders and cronies as well as funneling it into Lieberal ridings)the leftist media in Canada immediately came out with the doom and gloom prediction or should I say slander of Harper's "Secret Agenda" and that so called "Secret Agenda" was whipped like a dead horse by the media for Harper's entire 10 years as Prime Minister...funny how that "Secret Agenda" never transpired when he had a 4 year majority is it not?


All I can fathom about you sir is that you are a filthy socialist who just wants to take from society and you want the same sort of governance forced upon everybody else.You want a nanny state where everyone is told what is best for them and where individual hard work is suppressed in that the rewards for that hard work get given to the slackers who do nothing.People like you are the reason why society is slowly decaying and going down the toilet.

SR

 

[Cock Throppled]

All I can fathom about you sir is that you are a filthy socialist who just wants to take from society and you want the same sort of governance forced upon everybody else.You want a nanny state where everyone is told what is best for them and where individual hard work is suppressed in that the rewards for that hard work get given to the slackers who do nothing.People like you are the reason why society is slowly decaying and going down the toilet.

SR

I don't like getting into personal information, but your assumptions, generalizations, childish insults and general lack of comprehennsion say much more about you, than me.

I have, or have had two very successful businesses, and worked under contracts to national and interntional firms. I own a home, fully paid for and assessed an astronomical amount. I've traveled the world and seen and experienced to worst human conditions and behaviour. I've been in war zones in Somalia, The Sinai and Syria. And after seeing things abroad, I developed a great compassion for the underdog, the unfortunate and the weak.

I understand how wealthy we are compared to 70& of the world's population, and how lucky we are to live here.

I'm part of the, maybe not 1%, but I'm far above average in income and tax payments. And under an NDP government in BC my tax bill would pobably go higher. But you know what? I think that would be okay of it helps welfare rates to go up, helps with homelessness, helps young people afford a home, helps stop kids from dying in government care, helps hire more nurses, paramedics and teachers.

Wasting money isn't exclusive to any political party, but pouring money into contracts for wealthy donors, selling off provincial property and assets at cut-rite prices to friends and donors, by-passing regulations to force through unneeded mega projects and advertising aren't what I'd call decisions governments are elected to do.

Instead of more bridges to nowhere, solving nothing, or a dam that's not needed, or looking the other way when dirty money floods into BC from dubious foreign investors, I'd like to see a government investing in hospitals, decent affordable housing, education and a diversified economy, not one reliant on fantasy LNG fortunes and dinosaur technology.

If that makes me a "filthy socialist", I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone so obviously stuck in the past and carrying a "greed is good" mentality.

 

[take8easy]

After starting the thread, I have been quietly keeping an eye on the poll results. Liberals have been leading right from the starting line and the lead has been close to about 5 percentage points.

Seems like slowly gap is closing more because
- Liberals are losing the points, NDP seems to be pretty much the same.
- It is the undecided voters and Green party support that has been on the rise.

I am not saying that it will happen, but even half of the undecided votes go to NDP, chances of them being in the driver's seat for next four years are higher than before, that's for sure.
(Yea, I am an NDP'er, but like many other BC residents, I am voting more AGAINST Cristy and her gang of thugs than anything else.)

Having said that all, one poll doesn't mean nothing. Four more sleeps for voters and four more sleepless nights for the candidates and their supporters.

 

[MissingOne]

I am a natural to be a supporter of a true fiscally conservative party, but we don't have such a thing in B.C. I would say we haven't had such a party in Canada in the last couple of decades.

I would support a fiscally conservative party that would use the wealth of this province and this country wisely, while supporting many of the things that CT describes a couple of posts above this.

I have already voted. I have no great enthusiasm for any of the parties, this time around, so I voted for the local incumbent candidate, not a Liberal, who has done a good job of representing our riding.

Anyway, wherever you happen to be on the political spectrum, please do get out and vote. CT is right to say that we are damn lucky to live where we do. Let's do what we can to keep it that way.

 

[apl16]

You pretty much nailed it, MissingOne.

 

[sdw]

The Greens may end up with enough seats to be an official political party. All of the gains the Greens make will be at the expense of the NDP. The BC Liberals will win at least 51 seats. The NDP will lose seats that they have held for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_general_election,_2017
http://www.electionprediction.org/2017_bc/index.php
http://www.electionalmanac.com/ea/british-columbia-election-polls/#

6 Days of Advance Polling and the number of people that have voted doesn't approach the over 20% seen in the Federal Election. People vote governments out if they are mad enough. In BC, the Liberals haven't annoyed people enough to be voted out.

 

[rlock]

well to be fucking BLUNT Stephen Harper told no lies IMO

What a fucking joke. The guy was a pathological liar - a power-hungry sociopath who'll be remembered as Canada's best imitation of Stalin. A gallows and a rope would be the only cure for what he was - a traitor to Canada, from the dawn of his political career.

 

[rlock]

I am a natural to be a supporter of a true fiscally conservative party, but we don't have such a thing in B.C. I would say we haven't had such a party in Canada in the last couple of decades.

I would support a fiscally conservative party that would use the wealth of this province and this country wisely, while supporting many of the things that CT describes a couple of posts above this.

I understand what you're saying. I a fiscal realist, with a distaste for short-term electioneering that uses taxpayer money. There's good risk and bad risk. Not every idea is a good idea, and there has to be constant vigilance to make sure those controlling the money are not shovelling it into an abyss. Has this government passed that test? Nope.

Christy Clark's budget numbers have long been a lie - she loots money out of the crown corporations like ICBC and BC Hydro to make her fiscal position look better than it is. Her all-in gamble on LNG makes no sense given the market (and even less sense if you see that these plants will double BC's carbon emissions); a huge risk to take that will in all likelihood never provide the sort of money BC needs.

Christy wears the hard hat everywhere, probably even to bed, but she is no WAC Bennett. Everything she does is some short-sighted scheme, even the Santa Claus act she put on as the election was approaching.

WAC gave us BC Ferries; she is ripping its guts out. He gave us developments and infrastructure that worked for BC; once you scratch the glossy surface, hers are always some half-baked scheme proposed to her by a few lobbyists. WAC used to tell the out of province big-shots to get lost; Christy lets BC's future be decided by Calgary, Toronto, Beijing, Kuala Lampur, etc. - anyone who will transfer over a pile of money to her party, or to herself personally.

And don't get me started on those researchers she smeared and fired - one of which killed himself thanks to her false accusations. That's not just financial cheating, that's blood on her government's hands.

WAC Bennett and even Bill Bennett at least had some modicum of respectability. The Socred / BC Liberal cohort has devolved into a nest of crookedness, ever since the days of VanDerZalm. They don't even hide the fact they are on the take anymore !

I have few wishes for this election, but the biggest is for people to see that Corrupt Christy is ethical and fiscal poison, and knock her out of power. Or at least put them in a minority government so they can't just commit crimes with impunity anymore.

Should I cast a suspicious eye at the NDP too? Probably later, but not now, at the cost of allowing her crookedness to continue. Sometimes like a forest fire, a governing party grows sick inside and needs to be burned away to allow healthy regrowth.

 

[testicles]

This will be my reaction if we get 4 more years of Liberals