What advice would an SP give to a lady thinking about entering the industry?

[MyahriPirgulyyewa]

This website is very helpful.

It talks about both sides of the industry.

This is especially helpful for any new hobbyists who are learning how to be a good client.

here'sa link to trade secrets OHS materials....

www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com

there's lots of practical info there

love susie

 

[Mclovinit604]

here'sa link to trade secrets OHS materials....

www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com

there's lots of practical info there

love susie

Thanks Susi. Informative and poignant read especially re: stigma for SP's and types of clients. Much respect to the ladies of this board and elsewhere.

 

[raggetyandy]

Yes this is very insightful for someone totally new to this world.

I had no idea what happens here.

Just looking around and stumbled across this board. Interesting world you have here.

We had no idea there was such a place where you talk so honestly about this world.

 

[Caramel]

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yeah but she can get away with it because she probably gets paid regardless and has a crew of brosans waiting with bats if no one pays up. Most independents and AMP's have clear pathways to the exits where guys can just run the hell off. It happens all the time, the old "forgot wallet in car" 1 min later you hear engines roaring.

 

[Lady Vanessa]

Interesting question posed in this forum and reading the twists it has taken by opinions and answers. I have to applaud the well written answer of our Senior Member BC_BABE who mentioned everything I would have said and do say to any woman who has ever asked me about this industry.
For myself, being an SP began as a child at the age of 16 on the edgy streets of downtown Vancouver. A young lady who risked her life nightly in and out of cars of those who paid her for sex, all because she believed it was glamorous and was exchanged for money the average 16yr old ever saw at one time. When in reality, that money went into the undaunting pockets of her pimp. I wasn't prepared for taking on the stigma being a sex worker had in store for me.
That was then and this is now. I have consciously decided to return to this industry 2 decades later, which I consider myself as a sexual healer to the gentlemen who visit me as well as caring companion. No longer do I live in the dark world of being a sex provider and genuinely accept my chosen trade and love what I do.
With that being said, if any of you ladies are asked such a question from a bright eyed and curious woman, I sincerely hope you take a chapter from BC_BABES post. The advice is golden. All the safety precautions should be common sense and also learned with life and industry experience.

 

[Lady Vanessa]

Here, Here Allie! I too can say the same when it comes to having only great experiences from the gentlemen who come to visit me. (Besides the occasional wot's and no shows)Once you get a grasp on how to brand yourself and run your business, it's easy to receive what you put out there.

 

[pro-boner]

To be successful I believe you need to:

1) love men, in all our varied sizes, shapes, ages, looks, races. Most pooners are not movie stars, and since this is an expensive endeavour few young men can afford to poon, therefore the bulk of the pooner population is in I would say the 40+ region.

2) love sex, you might as well enjoy what you are doing, cause you will be doing it a lot.

3) love money, cause you will get lots of it. Money management is key! Your looks are a finite resource and will not last forever. Not many girls last more than 6 years. This means that with out incredible maintenance and drive, you will age and therefore the coin you command will inevitably be less. Think about it.

4) stay away from hard drugs. so many girls I know have worked for years, make 4 times my income and have nothing to show for it. They live in crappy apartments, and drive beaters, why because it goes up the nose. Then again I know many that are organized, own multiple houses, drive great cars, go on wonderful trips, and have wads of money in the bank. But this alas is not common, as young women seldom know what to do with huge incomes all of a sudden.

5) figure out how many cocks you want to see, as one escort told me long ago, every random pooner she sees takes a little bit of her soul. You have to be prepared for this psychological cost, cause it is there. So manage what you want to do, extra cash to augment a regular job? Or full time professional. Many ladies don't want to see lots of guys, so maybe a seeking arrangement type of thing with one, two or three guys would be less emotionally stressful and taxing on the body. Each girl is different.

6) we are all damaged goods, it is just a matter of what kind and how much. And this applies to guys and girls, so that is why the drugs, the irrationality, the everything about it when you come down to it. Once this is understood you begin to understand all of what happens.

and lastly...

7) use birth control for fuck sake! I can't believe so many girls rely on condoms. Well they break, they come off and boyfriends don't use 'em. So many girls end up with children, and do you want to have a child with your drug dealer boyfriend? or some random pooner guy? I know so many girls that have children and they are always at odds with their ex's many of whom, surprise surprise are in and out of jail. So don't go there. Just go on the pill.

Anyway that is my small contribution.

 

[Caramel]

it makes me laugh when men (the customers) start commenting with their opinions, its ridiculous

 

[Insatiable Appetite]

Firstly, I find it interesting to note the FACT that the OP specifically asked for the SP LADIES advice and that the friction in this thread has come as the result of non-sp's offering their unsolicited opinions.

The may have been the OPs' request but the friction actually comes from those that incessantly post with attitude, yourself included, especially when some one counters their opinion. This is an open forum...we all have the right to be here. Dont like what someone writes...move on.

How is ladies participating in discussions on review boards harmful? Are you one of those "the only time a ho should open her mouth is when she's giving head" kind of guys?
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You have illustrated the reasoning for the piece of advice I gave. I wasnt rude or disrespectful but you have revealed yourself to be just that. How does this endear you to potential clients?

A lady should not post on forums because there is a very real chance that it will do more harm to her business than good.

An SPs' business exists in 2 places. The first is the bedroom where she has a lot of control over the outcome. The second is the online realm where she has less ability to manipulate her Persona and outcome. Using game theory we see that by posting in forums a lady has an equal chance of being worse off as being better off business wise.

Reputation and not posting = Neutral
Reputation and positive posting outcome = Reputation +
Reputation and Negative posting outcome = Reputation -
Reputation and Neutral posting outcome = Neutral

I will argue that the neutral posting outcome doesnt really exist and that if you post your net result is 50/50 between good or bad. Why would you spend energy and time doing something that has the same chance of harming your business as helping it?

PR is tricky. If you constantly put yourself out there you have a very good chance of hurting your biz. We have shown that just as many or more will dislike you for posting.

Almost every lady that has breached a " hey why dont you ease of on the posting for the sake of your biz" retorts with "my clients love me for the person I am." Its actually a self fulfilling prophecy.

Potential clients that are turned off by your online persona dont book you and tell you so. Only those that see it as neutral or positive do and thus the skewed observation. So if you alienate 90% of potential clients with your posts the 10% that arent turned off and actually see you will be an incorrect indicator of your posting /PR strategy. .

I think your advice is harmful. Don't collect the money until the end of session...yeah thats really smart advice to give to a new to the industry lady.
Obviously you have no idea what it's like to fuck some guy and get ripped off after. Do you care to know how it feels? It's rape. Even if it only happens once and 99% of the other guys are good it still will mess with a lady for a long time after. It's best to prevent those types of scenarios by not giving it a chance to happen.

Sure...thats your belief.
I know a number of girls that almost never ask for money up front and have done that since their first day. If their spidey senses go off.....they have but that is rare. These girls have never been ripped off including one who entered and permanently left the biz. In my case I pay after 4 out of 5 times.

If the lady services the spectrum of the market that Surrey Jewel works in then yes....absolutely get your dough up front. If you work in the $250hr plus range...conducting the monetary exchange after can be helpful for the overall client experience. By not asking for the donation, an SP is still likely to get it up front a large percentage of the time and yet she didnt ask. Its a nice touch. Proper screening is part of this approach. Again your posting makes me think that you are somewhat jaded and harsh. You may be right or wrong on certain counts but what I see is the personality revealed through your post.

it makes me laugh when men (the customers) start commenting with their opinions, its ridiculous

Makes me laugh when working ladies like yourself come on the board with the attitude that you have!

 

[meaghanmcleodDELETED]

In my case I pay after 4 out of 5 times.

Point made - so for the 5th time - you don't pay because you weren't happy?

 

[Insatiable Appetite]

Point made

thats your original post

Wow..really....i rip off a girl 20% of the time?
Nice attitude.

I know....this is a carefully designed PR and Marketing strategy.

 

[Insatiable Appetite]

there is actually this one Asian lady who according to reviews feels insulted if she gets paid upfront! lmao!!

ME: Thanks for making my point

yeah but she can get away with it because she probably gets paid regardless and has a crew of brosans waiting with bats if no one pays up. Most independents and AMP's have clear pathways to the exits where guys can just run the hell off. It happens all the time, the old "forgot wallet in car" 1 min later you hear engines roaring.

Point was that your "lmao" attitude on somebody's different way of doing business is offensive and because you have revealed it by posting here you have illustrated why I recommend working girls should not post in forums.

 

[Elmore]

Well Ladies,

This thread is for the SP that would give advice to anyone seeking it from a seasoned professional.

BTW- Ms. Erica Phoenix, My humblest condolences about your trusted Chief of Security.

My advice would be to talk yourself out of doing it.

The opinions on an escort review board will obviously be one sided so consider it from all angles.

After you ask yourself what the primary reason is for getting into the industry then weigh all the pros and cons.

 

[Edward Lei]

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Let's not kid ourselves, primary reason is money. Always has been and always will be.

 

[Elm]

Every SP I've gotten to know personally, regrets entering the industry. Most end up being exposed and humiliated. The posts by ladies are personas. Don't dig to deep into what they're saying, they're disillusioned. This industry will leave you burned out in a few years. Be intelligent and look elsewhere for work.

 

[Elmore]

Every SP I've gotten to know personally, regrets entering the industry. Most end up being exposed and humiliated. The posts by ladies are personas. Don't dig to deep into what they're saying, they're disillusioned. This industry will leave you burned out in a few years. Be intelligent and look elsewhere for work.

There are a few smart ones...who have a game plan and an exit strategy but they are the minority imo.

 

[Surrey's Jewel]

Every SP I've gotten to know personally, regrets entering the industry. Most end up being exposed and humiliated. The posts by ladies are person
as. Don't dig to deep into what they're saying, they're disillusioned. This industry will leave you burned out in a few years. Be intelligent and look elsewhere for work.

Is this a joke?

 

[meaghanmcleodDELETED]

Beautifully said Electra. Thank you.

 

[Elm]

In my previous post I discussed only the cons because if you can't handle the cons the pros aren't worth it. Sure, at times you may feel burned out, like any job, so you can take a trip or break. The only way you really get disillusioned ( or awakened ) is with the realities of the world and sex. It can be confusing as a 22 year old to realize most men see prostitutes even when you are bearing the benefit. And that it's actually really good men that see prostitutes not just seedy dudes. And even more shocking is when at first you find out a number of guys you know see prostitutes because they don't realize they are talking to "you".

I kind of take offence to say that we are all disillusioned and unintelligent. Some of us really like this choice and making people feel great, and less stressed and happy. The positivity we create in a session can be really uplifting and energizing for our own selves as well. There is definitely a learning curve but one your on the other side of it this business can be great fun and the relationships you build very rewarding.

I have no idea what you are actually saying. Am I having a stroke?

Just a bunch of feel good buzzwords and odd anecdotes. I sincerely hope that people who enter this industry are able to leave and live normal lives. That's not the case for the vast majority.

 

[voodooking]

I pretty much agree with everything you say in this post and I always have a respect for the service that an SP provides as well as the provider herself.

I don't need a secret decoder ring to understand an intelligent post.

In my previous post I discussed only the cons because if you can't handle the cons the pros aren't worth it. Sure, at times you may feel burned out, like any job, so you can take a trip or break. The only way you really get disillusioned ( or awakened ) is with the realities of the world and sex. It can be confusing as a 22 year old to realize most men see prostitutes even when you are bearing the benefit. And that it's actually really good men that see prostitutes not just seedy dudes. And even more shocking is when at first you find out a number of guys you know see prostitutes because they don't realize they are talking to "you".

I kind of take offence to say that we are all disillusioned and unintelligent. Some of us really like this choice and making people feel great, and less stressed and happy. The positivity we create in a session can be really uplifting and energizing for our own selves as well. There is definitely a learning curve but one your on the other side of it this business can be great fun and the relationships you build very rewarding.

As for girls shouldn't talk on a review board, my opinion as someone who values equality and wishes to spend my precious time on earth with people with like minded values, good riddance to those guys. The world is full of great people why waste your time with guys who hate everything about you but your vagina. Fuck em, well actually don't Money isn't worth spending time with these haters. Spend your time with the lovers of life and women, the guys who want to empower you and create positive experiences together. Appreciate and enjoy the clients who would rather spend time raising each other up and don't lose sleep over a couple men who will never value you because you gave your sex worker opinion on a board about sex workers.

Your success will never be affected by a few dudes who never gave a shit about you in the first place... I promise :thumb: