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What advice would an SP give to a lady thinking about entering the industry?

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Flavius

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Well Ladies,

This thread is for the SP that would give advice to anyone seeking it from a seasoned professional.

BTW- Ms. Erica Phoenix, My humblest condolences about your trusted Chief of Security.
 

vanperb

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I haven't been in the industry myself ... so correct me if I'm wrong.

1. Prepare to lie about what you do for a living. Have a good back story which is difficult to verify, but can appease both family and friends curiousity.
2. Prepare to have drama if you are in contact or work with other providers. Not always the case, but prepare.
3. Prepare to be pretty isolated, or prepare a schedule where you're interacting with people. Most of us have daily contact with work mates and a schedules that gets out of our apartment and interacting with society. You will be doing the contracting thing, and you won't be able to talk about your day when you're with friends or family.
4. Prepare to be single, or lie to them for the duration of being a provider. The fact that many providers have boyfriends and husbands should not be surprising, but finding one that is happy about what they're doing is pretty rare.
5. Have a goal in mind if you're not in it for the long term, and a plan. If you dont, you can being doing this much longer than you thought you would.
6. Prepare to come back at least once after you "quit".
7. Prepare that it is a very big possiblity that no other job will earn you the kind of money and attention that escorting provides, thus 6.
8. Prepare for the gap in your resume while you were providing. Years pass by quickly and future employers are weary of a 2+ year gap.
9. Prepare emotionally for the amount of attention you will receive from individuals who will pay you for your time. It can affect how you measure and evaluate relationships in the future. Being able realize there is no connection or measurable similarity between a wad of bills from a client who paid for an overnight, from a stack of badly made pancakes from your boyfriend/husband/SO on a late Saturday morning.
10. Find one friend you can confide in. It's dangerous because people are bastards but it gives you at least one person you can vent to.
11. Find an accountant and ask them how them how to deal with a cash business, how you will do your taxes. Be honest with them.
12. Prepare financially and emotionally for the feast and famine type income. You're an independant contractor now, there will be months of no business then all of sudden everyone has your number.
13. Learn where to advertise and the type of audience you will attract. Being a great provider will keep people coming but you need to hook them in the first place.
14. Prepare a good pattern for your life. Exercise, regular health check ups, eating and sleep should be planned and optimal. Providing can be draining and send you off kilter into a bad track quickly.
15. Prepare a thick skin. Clients can be bastards, and reviews can be harsh. Learn how to deal with it by looking at successful Yelp reviewed businesses.
16. Learn what all the acryomns and services are, and draw your boundaries before you start.
17. Seperate who you are from the persona clients are paying for.
 

johnsmit

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Ask your self do you want to have sex with 1 a day ,5 time a day..or more.
It adds up very quickly.
1 one a day is 20 or more a month. 5 a day is 100 in 20 work days
Do you want to do that every month to pay your bills spend it on stuff you don't realy need..And if you have a drug habit it won't go very far at all..and it's easy to get that depending on what kind of clients you see..They usually will bring some drugs.
 

sdw

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Screen your calls! Don't accept calls from payphones, blocked calls, phone apps! It's easy to do this once you know how!
:) payphones are becoming like unicorns - which makes the use of one especially worrying to an escort. There is a payphone directory on the Internet http://www.payphone-directory.org/#Canada. Google a phone number - even when talking to the person - if it doesn't come up as assigned to Bell, Rogers, Shaw, Telus - it's probably a "one time" internet number. A person that has looked for a payphone or is using an internet app is either "too shy" or too dangerous to take a risk on.
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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In Your Wildest Dreams!
Ask your self do you want to have sex with 1 a day ,5 time a day..or more.
It adds up very quickly.
1 one a day is 20 or more a month. 5 a day is 100 in 20 work days
Do you want to do that every month to pay your bills spend it on stuff you don't realy need..And if you have a grug habit it won't go very far at all..and it's easy to get that depending on what kind of clients you see..They usually will bring some drugs.
This is just not the reality of working as an indy. It's really easy to avoid the drugs if you don't answer the "you party" texts (or my personal fave "u still up?" sent before 8 a.m.)
 

LalaniElectrica

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#1 Safety 1st! Do not sacrifice safety or let clients tell you what they think is "safe" etc, use common sense and talk to your dr. and other ladies in the industry.

#2 Take self defense, even if you have security or not, it helps you be assertive and avoid unwanted confrontations...

#3 Only get into this lifestyle if you really enjoy sex. If you don't it will be like you are raping yourself every time! If you enjoy sex and giving pleasure, it's more fun!

#4 Always have a safety net, safe-call, driver or some other way you can call before and after your appt and/or send the addy to a trusted person for outcalls so someone has your location and your eta home! Do not skip this step!

#5 If you get a weird or bad vibe from an inquiry, they ask too many questions or want to know exactly where you live, just avoid these types if you get a weird vibe. Trust your instincts, it's not worth the potential $$ to actually risk your life and safety because some dude wanted to ask 20 personal questions etc. Also: gents plz keep questions particular to booking inquiries for dates/times/rates, and a few goals for the session to make sure that the lady does what you prefer. usually by the 3rd text the details should have been discussed. Anything longer can be emailed. If you have seen a guest before that is different, but for new people it's good to keep it short and avoid personal questions, and only give your address once you speak to the person over the phone. Again, if you get a weird vibe, just walk. 99% of the time you will probably not have a problem and the phone call is to hear their voice, no slurred speech etc.

#6 Stay the hell away from car dates!!! That's how ladies go missing! If you have a long-time client who is definitely not a threat and you have established trust and it's a fantasy fulfillment that may be something fun, but car dates with strangers is like playing russian roulette. Respectable gentlemen will find better alternatives to get together with an escort like Perb leo or BP.

#7 Go to Work Sober! As with any other job, arrive sober! If you are doing a dinner date a glass or 2 of wine may be normal during the appt. But arriving drunk or smelling of alcohol is not acceptable. I also would suggest not smoking right before an appt, since you show up smelling like an ashtray. Do not do any other substances before, during or after the appt while in the company of your guest. ie: I do stags which have anywhere from 8-150 people usually. At some point someone always offers the dancers blo or weed... Just say "no thanks sweetie/babe/sexy, I have to work, but I hope you are enjoying yourself!" While your tits are 2" from his face... I think saying no is a lot sexier, imo, and from what I've seen and heard... When in doubt, plz refer to step #1

Good luck to the new ladies, these are just the basic safety considerations. There's more to consider, any limits you have, make the list and see if you have age/race restrictions or gender preferences or what activities you enjoy and what activities you do not enjoy.

I'm sure there are a lot of other points to consider, and there is something a person cannot teach, which is experience.
 

Caramel

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always take payment UPFRONT, don't ever let some guy trick you into letting him pay after, don't budge until you get payment first!!!
 

Caramel

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Yes! Excellent advice! Even if he's a long term trustworthy client.. You never know..his wife could have taken all his cash without his knowledge before he left his house..
SO true, or if he is planning to be done with you anyways after the 100th visit, and is planning not to pay you but take advantage...you never know can't trust anybody ;)

And yeah anyone who actually does allow this practice is playing russian roulette and has definitely gotten scammed more than a few times but they just don't learn from their mistakes or are too nice.
 

voodooking

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I have built up a trust factor with a couple of SPs that will not ask for the donation until the booking is over.
It honestly does make me have more respect for them as a person and makes me feel like I am not just a complete " trick " to them.

I would however prefer to give the donation at the beginning of the appointment to get that out of the way.
 
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My advice is if you are even curious about this business ... give it a try. It's the best 'job' in the world. I regret every minute that i did anything else other than this.
Oh .. and ... get the payment up first .. ALWAYS.
 
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Nope....no need....

another piece of advice.....dont post on review boards.....its more likely to do harm than good!
Goes both ways. The quickest way to be declined seeing most ladies are these type of negative comments. We are entitled to our opinions. Coming in as a new member telling providers how to run their business.
 
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Goes both ways. The quickest way to be declined seeing most ladies are these type of negative comments. We are entitled to our opinions. Coming in as a new member telling providers how to run their business.
negative comments?? how?
New member.....no i have been around.....how would it define my knowledge anyways?
Is that a threat of being declined? how will you know my handle and who are you to judge me?
Me....Telling providers how to run their business?.....no just my input for the question asked...
If you disagree....idc....i know that i have posted valid input
 
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Your response is very interesting, and such a well-rounded answer that covered lots of aspects of this industry.

I may be the least qualified person to speak on this (based on my history on this board), so please bare with me.

I honestly started this hobby few months ago, and I did a fair bit of online research about the many aspects of this industry. I found that a lot of men are complaining and saying negative nonsense about various providers, and I realized that providers must be tough mentally to withstand many criticism that were thrown at them. However, as a hobbyist perspective, this hobby is also a two way street. SPs have no preview of potential new clients until the clients step into the door, and I think this is a very tough part for any SP as well, no matter how experienced. There are straight forward clients who could be nice and very caring; but there could be clients who are flat out creeps and jerks, and persistent boundary pushers.

I think all the suggestions listed by you and other providers should provide a very clear idea of what to expected on a daily/weekly basis.

You written a book about it, any chance this book is being published? I am interested in reading it.

I've had a few girls contact me for help, if they are under 25 or so I always send them something like this and don't feel good about really helping them get their foot in the door other then general safety because it's a decision you can never take back and the secret or lifestyle can tear someone apart. For me this was a wonderful life choice that I can handle but I saw it destroy some really amazing girls I love because of the stigma and repulsion from your "real life" people you face when you are outed. I think in your late 20's, 30's you really start to grasp what you really want in life and are much better prepared at realizing what this choice will mean for your life in the long term. Because nothing will ever be the same and relationships will never be as easy with the I am or I used to be a prostitute being something you have to say to someone you want to date.

Take into consideration all angles of this life altering decision.

Are you willing to risk all future relationships, dating and marriage either with a lie that could tear apart your mental health ( which will just ruin the relationship anyway ) or being truthful to face the hurt you cause this future person in your life and potentially lose them or have them out you to your loved ones ?

How will you feel when and if your friends, family, co-workers, exes and people from highschool find out ? Can you handle it ? Will it put you into a deep depression and cause anxiety and other mental health problems ? Will your mom blame herself ? Because for most of us, great job at reaching your goals will never be the response from our mothers and grandmothers. They will be scared for our safety.

Are you a good liar ? Cuz if not your gonna be a mess. You have to lie about where you have to go, why you have to go, why you can't meet up, why your mom who knows your not working can't come over right now, how you can afford the nice condo, vacation etc.

Are you strong mentally ? Your going to be the new girl which means the hords of abusers, pimps and thefts are going to target you. They are going to try and get you to do things you don't want to do with their manipulation techniques that they use on young, naive girls. They will either tell you positive things about yourself to get what they want - free sex - or tell you horrible things about yourself to get what they want - free sex. Or they will do really creepy things. Are you strong enough to not fall for bullshit, kick someone out, know your self worth isn't determined by some weirdo wanting to use you because you are young and beautiful and they hope stupid as well.

Never show your face unless you only want to be an escort for the rest of your life. Once your face is out there you are now going to be on the internet for the rest of your life as a sex worker. It's really hard to get some of the copy sites to take down your pictures. This is a great career choice and if you want to go all in and do it all the power to you ! But if one day you have kids ( hey ___ look your mom was a hooker !) , or want to run your own business or do something major like adoption, or get security clearance for some dream job etc. Having your face associated with sex work will hurt your chances of all your dreams and goals. Plus, guys you know will contact you. And other SP's will fuck with you. You just don't know if it's your ex boyfriend on the other side of that phone etc. Is it worth it ? Protect your life and protect your privacy.


Do you like to have sex with men as old or older than your parents ? Because if not run in the other direction. A chiseled movie star ins't walking through the door on most occasions. This can be super rewarding if you see the reward and value in providing sensually blissful experiences for people. If you can't enjoy spending time with men of all ages, shapes, ethnicities and sizes this isn't for you. Being intimate with someone is not the same as not enjoying making a coffee or working in an office. It will fuck you up and you are just taking advantage of them. You aren't a victim if you post an ad and you don't happen to be attracted to the person who responds. It's your choice so don't be an asshole and use people.

This is just the beginning. I've written a whole book on the subject. But I think before you even say yes you need to think about these types of things.

Then the other general safety stuff, never accept money after the fact, hide it well, no blocked calls, always work in high rises with security cameras, refer to the the blacklists. If someone is acting weird get them out asap. Let someone know what your doing and call them to let them know all went well. Be very careful who you tell. Keeping a regular job is a good idea. Don't party your money away. Have goals and slay em. If it doesn't feel good don't do it. And the list goes on and on....
 
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