A call from my clients' wife ...today ...my heart hurts

[69guy]

I was upfront with my ex-husband about my career. I told him that we could have a completely open relationship, he said he wanted us to both be exclusive aside from my Sp role. I was not upset that he had sex with another 20+ women.....I was upset that he led me to believe that our circumstances were something that they were not.

Kendra i don't think you have to explain anything to someone who has a callous, ignorant attitude towards you.

i come to see you for more than just the "fun" we have. i like our conversations that we have. you are a very awesome, strong woman, who i respect a hell of a lot. as well you are one of the most respectful people i know, and i appreciate your discretion. i recall a time when i was house-sitting for a friend. it was the first time i ever did outcall with anyone. when you arrived you were dressed very discreetly, as to not raise suspicion, and i thank you for that.

discretion is a huge huge part of this business. what Jessica did, i feel was the wrong thing to do. it would be like me seeing Kendra, Lilith, or any other SP in say West Edmonton Mall, and not giving a rats ass about who they are with. walking up to them and calling them by their chosen SP name. cna you imagine the questions then?

it was totally up to JPR's client to be upfront with his wife. not hers.

 

[Ride My Mustache]

Jessica;

After reading a lot of the posts in this thread, I've noticed you mentioned several times that there is more to the conversation you had with the clients wife. I'm under the impression that you are saying that if we knew more about it, those of us who think you should not have done this would see it differently. Is there any chance you can give us some more info on what was said (without violating any confidentiality, of course!)? It might make things look different and clear up some things for us.

 

[jdtipper]

My turn

In the end, I found out by calling one of his secret girlfriends (who he gave my money to for gifts and dinners, etc), and she told me everything. While I appreciated the female code and how she was honest with me, I still wanted to hear it from my husband directly.

Wow Ms KC, I imagine you were pretty pissed off when you found out that your SO was giving away your money...much like im sure many of your clients SO would be if they knew about you.
I love the irony of that.
I also like how because you were the phone caller, it was okay to for her to adhere to the "sister code" but as soon as your the phone called, then to each their own.
Yet you preach to JPR about moral dilemmas.

(sorry, i know that one is not going to get me any brownie points with you but fuck it, I call it how I see it)


Anyways this thread is interesting as EVERYONE is basing their opinions on only ONE HALF OF ONE THIRD OF THE STORY
Their is one story, the other story and then the truth

Facts, we DONT know all the facts. Odd everyone says JPR cannot be discrete, yet we dont know any details of the second and third party. Wow good job on being discrete JPR !

More facts, upon using said discretion important facts were not disclosed to help protect the second and third party, so again we dont even know half of HER story. Wow way to be discrete JPR

Another question...you ladies that gave such great rebuttals.... how long did it take you to think of that? 2, maybe 3 seconds while sitting alone at your computer?
Now, throw some belligerent "sister" screaming at you in your face, hmm can you still think of something in 5 seconds that will diffuse the situation? Because as we know silence is golden....silence is also the favorite word of the guilty.

 

[Daytime Owl]

Jessica,
you have a caring heart and I applaud you for that. As human beings we generally like to help one another as it makes us feel good - and there is nothing wrong with that, it's only human. You were caught off guard when you received the call from the client's wife. You wanted advice and it has been provided to you.

From reading the 18 pages (wow!) or so and thinking about it, I totally agree, discretion must be maintained between the SP and client.

We have never met before, but my friendly suggestion to you would be to sleep on it and think of all the feedback/advices that has been provided. Take a day of two if needed.

Think with your head rather than your heart.

if this situation comes up ever again, the proper and only thing to do is to say nothing and to hang-up.

 

[JessicaPrabbit]

Jessica;

I have tried to stand by you and I felt bad for your situation. I too was going from my heart the caring person I was. Thinking you did what you thought best. However reading this thread over and over I am sorry, but you did wrong. You made a big mistake and unfortunately it is you who will have to live with that. Now that I am thinking more rationally and not with my heart. You can not justify your actions, with all the proof this woman had if I would of known this before I started siding with you, my thoughts would be different and now they are. She had the proof all she needed. You should of just hung up or if you had to say something you could of said, you have your proof and hang up on her.
Yes still agree your client was a dumbass for not covering his own self but you dug a deeper hole. Staying on the line and a 20 minute conversation. Of course she thanked you you told her everything so that she can fry her husbands ass. The man that paid you for your services and for you to be hush. Does this man have a family children loved ones it will all come out and he will be shamed, I feel for his wife more than anything.. but she now has what she needs thanks to your lenghthy conversation. I learned through my experience I cut it short. Sometimes it does not pay to be the nice girl. I know from past and life experince and being "new again" to a business that is not at all like it was 23 years ago. Hush is the word.
I have read and re read and looked at all parties. You did wrong it can not be coreected but I am sure a lesson learned. Were you looking for advice or trying to stir things up?

To answer your question Angie I was seeking advice which is the same thing I've done with several previous queries without incident and could not have fathomed the fallout from this.
I could not possibly have had the insight required to anticipate the incredibly high number of views or replies on this topic. It is still rather shocking to me that it took off as it did. If you have noticed I have not spoken since 1:00pm Sunday afternoon (roughly). I took this much time away hoping that no one would continue to accuse me of just trying to gain attention and 'stir things up' so I shut down ...but the thread continued on and now it is 12 hours later and although I've been online for a number of hours I have read very little of the balance of anything written in the thread after I logged out at 1:00pm as i had family over and could not take the time to do so. (well not entirely true as I did click to see if it was active and would see a name i recognized but that is about it)

Anyhow ...I received a pm from the client around 2:00 Sunday afternoon containing an apology along with a tiny bit of information as to where he and she are at ...

I'm tired and need to sleep. I have a pm from the client giving me his permission to post the content of his pms to me here in the lounge. I don't want to put them here to 'stir things up'. It seems logical to me to post what he has written. Please don't ask me why he's not posting himself because I can't answer that. I do know that he works for weeks sometimes months out of town and perhaps he is in a camp with little or no service.S

I don't blame you for questioning what i did. I posted the issue because I questioned what I did. I have one choice now and that will be to let this experience afford me an open door to a better path, a way to improve myself and not let it knock me to my knees and break me.

Yip, I'm tired.
I plan on replying in the morning with the information and am hoping that you think it's the right thing to do although I realize how hard it is to please all of the people all of the time. Sorry for all of the anger over what I truly thought was just another question.

Jessica

 

[HB40]

I have a pm from the client giving me his permission to post the content of his pms to me here in the lounge. I don't want to put them here to 'stir things up'. It seems logical to me to post what he has written.

Have you learned nothing about discretion Jessica, let alone the rules of Perb?

The wife wanted answers so you told, we want answers so you are deciding to tell again, at some point you need to realize when to shut the fuck up! Wasn't it you who said "god made bj's to keep women quiet and thin"

If the man wants to say something it is up to him to say it....just like it was with his wife.

 

[jdtipper]

Hmm I guess him telling her to post it would be him making up his decision to post it. Just this way he still keeps himself anonymous.

I like how nobody is taking responsibility for themselves. Trust no one. Simple. If you can't afford to have a details come out about yours affairs....then don't friggin have one.
Remember people, you look after yourself and no one else.
If there you were trapped in a fire with someone else and only one person could escape...who would it be? Hmm I know who it would be...and it ain't the other person. I could care less if their children are watching him burn alive, I'm out, that's all that matters to me.
Numero Uno

If you have to rely on someone else to keep secrets, your the only one at fault if they come out.

Oh once again,

 

[HB40]

Hmm I guess him telling her to post it would be him making up his decision to post it. Just this way he still keeps himself anonymous.

Doesn't matter, posting pm's on perb is not allowed.

Besides, this guy has had something fairly traumatic happen, I doubt if he is thinking straight or rationally, there is bound to be a lot of emotions or he may even be just feeling like fuck it I don't care anymore. Jessica has done enough damage already.

Give this guy some time and I bet his attitude changes towards Jessica, it's all nice when she's sucking his cock and flirting in e-mails, but reality sets in, Jessica is just an escort and will not be there for him when he is devastated in divorce and ostracized by friends and family. She gets to live her happy little life, all warm and fuzzy sleeping like a baby and content that in her heart she did the right thing, meanwhile this guy suffers all the consequences.

You might say that he deserves it, which ultimately he does, but Jessica encourages contact apart from sessions and is eager to exchange pictures and carry on friendly unprofessional relationships with her clients, to say she has no blame in this is very narrow minded. Which you are being JD, your arguments are immature, even if the wife is threatening coming to the studio or whatever, the best course of action is always cease contact.

 

[athaire]

Perb rules state quite clearly no posting of pm's period. I would suggest that perhaps if this client wanted to have his info out there that he post himself. Having a third party do it seems........off to me. He obviously had time to contact her by pm so he has been online and could at any time have chimed in and said his piece.

 

[jdtipper]

Me narrow minded, HB? No my friend, we are ALL narrow minded. We only see one thing, and that is what we would do or would like done. This thread is quite interesting in how we get to really see how many people truly are.
Also I'm not saying that JPR is fault free. What I'm saying is she did her job, what she is paid to do.... and when faced with adversity, she did what she thought was the right thing to do. There is no wrong in that. We might not agree with it, but really who gives a fuck what we think.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and belief. No one should tell us if those are right or wrong. No one.

And yes my arguments may be immature to you, I apologize for not having the same level of knowledge, wisdom, and intellect as you, it seems not many do. It must be frustrating talking to simpletons like us.

 

[little Cowboy]

That's why a lot of countries do not legalize prostitution. It can break a family!

I don't come here very often, but another board mentioned this rather interesting discussion. The odd thing was that even some of the men are saying its perfectly ok to venture into the private lives of others.

I don't agree with the comment 'It can break a family' seeing sp's is less like to do that then say having an affair. In fact...I'll bet that it saves many more then one realizes.

Some are in marriges where its physically impossible to have sex. Would you rather a man or woman not care for a spouse and leave? Or would you rather that man or woman get emotionally involved with another? Or would you suggest that he/she see an SP for that physical interaction that is missing.

Jessica...what you did was wrong. And it seems that you are living the lie personally. You are ok taking money from the hubby (and actually the wife and kids too), pretending that all is ok..until he leaves and then you become self rightous and feel sorry for the wife. I suggest that you ONLY see single guys and that should resolve your inner conflicts.

The other thing...I'd be very careful about squealing on hubbies. Its a good way to get yourself hurt.

 

[jdtipper]

Since the rules are quite clear on posting PMs, his side isn't going to be posted.

You know rules are meant to be broken. Like this one for example. PMs cannot be posted BUT emails can be. So a smart person would copy the PMs, email then to themselves....then post away.
At that point it is an email. It doesn't matter howthe content of the email came to be.

I'm just saying....

Just try it tipper - and watch what happens.... it's still not allowed... - per moderator1

 

[HB40]

This thread is quite interesting in how we get to really see how many people truly are.

Try to think about that when you are posting JD, do you really want people seeing how stupid and immature you are?

The world is full of right and wrongs with rules that are not meant to be broken, be realistic and quit being such an idiot.
I mean seriously, you're acting like a 2 year old who wants his way.

 

[jdtipper]

JD, do you really want people seeing how stupid and immature you are?

Who are you to tell me what to do and how to act? And if people perceive me that way, fine. I don't give a shit. I've gone to long worrying about what others think of me.

When I met you at MERL, I perceived you to be a certain way...but in light of how you have been in this thread, boy has that sure changed. That is what I meant by my other comment you quoted.

If you wish to carry on trying to belittle me, then let's leave the forum and continue in PMs. I'm all for learning from anyone who wishes to teach.

 

[HB40]

And if people perceive me that way, fine. I don't give a shit.

Fair enough JD, but don't go whining about why you get banned from other boards and SP's refuse to see you based on board persona.

 

[jdtipper]

Fair enough JD, but don't go whining about why you get banned from other boards and SP's refuse to see you based on board persona.

No your right. I was not trying to whine although I guess it did come out that way in the end....oh well. But I wanted to give all the facts.

And as for the SP, she asked for a reference with whom she talked and then agreed to the appoint. If she was more concerned about board persona, then why ask for a reference....or do a little research BEFORE agreeing to an appointment.
It didn't seem professional how she handled it, IMHO

 

[HB40]

I am not putting you on ignore. I am telling you now that it is your legal responsibility to make no future contact with me in any way, not in writing, by phone or in person, I will add smoke signals and carrier pigeons to that as well to cover my bases. I hope that is clear. I've delivered you this message publicly and I mean it with all it represents from a legal stand point.

OK, the mods told me too, I'm not supposed to comment to you.

You effectively got another member silenced and are doing a good job of hiding your illegal activities and reprehensible actions towards clients. Edm Vice is doing their own investigation so we'll see how this all works out.

Perb is clear though about posting pm's, I trust you will be banned now.

 

[katoe]

Like many things in this world, we all have an opinion. Most of those opinions are based on limited facts and information. I consider Jessica a wonderful person (you'll note that this comment does not speak for NOR against her SP abilities). I've read some of the drama, but did not have time to be entertained by the entire thread. I am positive Jessica did not throw her client to the wolves as that is not her style. I am positive the woman already knew most, if not the whole story.

You did not answer the call, so you cannot say what happened, nor can I. Sounds like the wife did NOT call to take a strip off of Jessica and the wife spoke to JPR in a respectful tone. Sounds like a woman at the end of her rope and looking for some answers and I think the question was NOT "did you fuck my husband". What if this woman committed had suicide because of it? Would you guys have taken the side that Jessica "should" have talked to her? I trust Jessica and I KNOW she did the right thing for this woman AND her client. For those of you who claim she outed her client... maybe, but probably more accurate to say he outed himself. Maybe you could argue that Jessica could have just told her that she was not going to address it, but that was a decision that Jessica had to make based on all the information she had at the time and it was the RIGHTest one she could have made for all involved.

To all the hateful people out there, stop harassing my friend! Karma and/or fate will find you and kick your ass.

Regards,
katoe

 

[katoe]

OK, the mods told me too, I'm not supposed to comment to you.

You effectively got another member silenced and are doing a good job of hiding your illegal activities and reprehensible actions towards clients. Edm Vice is doing their own investigation so we'll see how this all works out.

Perb is clear though about posting pm's, I trust you will be banned now.

What illegal activities are you referring to?
In regards to PM's, did I miss the posted PM's or are you referring to her paraphrasing and excerpts from PM's? Is that against PERB rules or verbatim copy and paste of the PM's

And BTW, pretty harsh treatment towards jdtipper. OK, he is young and probably could use a bit of guidance. Looks to you for that, not a slap in face.

Why all the hate? You seemed like a decent enough guy...

 

[HB40]

What illegal activities are you referring to?
In regards to PM's, did I miss the posted PM's or are you referring to her paraphrasing and excerpts from PM's? Is that against PERB rules or verbatim copy and paste of the PM's

And BTW, pretty harsh treatment towards jdtipper. OK, he is young and probably could use a bit of guidance. Looks to you for that, not a slap in face.

Why all the hate? You seem like a decent enough guy...

What hate? I'm keeping it real. JD is a big boy now and deserves to treated like a man. Jessica paraphrased my pm's, taken out of context and used to ellicit sympathy and support. I can understand that, she is running out of options. Still, they are my pm's and she has no right to post them. I have never posted a pm, I don't know what she is talking about. I can't comment on the other thing, truthfully on an anonymous board it is out of line to post on something where innocence is presumed until proven. It's just that she told me herself and was rather proud of how she fucked over a client. There are consequences to everything, her days in this business are numbered.

I bet she'll think twice about talking to a wife again.